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They also posted a full track. Sounds killer.

I wouldn't have ordered this, if I knew that was coming out.

 

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Just been listening to a Joe Harley interview and he mentions that they (him and Kevin Gray) have just finished working on Harold Vick's 'Steppin Out'. Hopefully he meant for the Tone Poet series which would be great.


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He also mentions that they have just cut Kenny Burrell's S/T and was discussing it with Kevin, so that sounds like another Tone Poet.

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Plaidroom is selling Tone Poets for $31.99 now instead of $27.99 going forward. They said it's due to price increases on tip-on jackets and other vinyl manufacturing costs. Still under the $36 standard, but an increase nonetheless.
Yeah - sorry for the price increase on these, y'all. It's actually pretty strange how the wholesale price / retail price relationship isn't linear, which is completely counterintuitive. I won't mention what wholesale pricing actually is on these, but the old retail price was $34.99, and the new retail price is $35.99, so a $1 difference. The corresponding wholesale prices have increased $3.10, so we had to bump our prices otherwise we'd be losing our asses on these after credit card fees and returns. The jazz stuff is some of our most returned product, so I usually have to assume at least 5-8% of these are coming back to me. Probably more info than y'all need - but I hope you all don't think we're bumping prices just for the sake of doing it!
 

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Yeah - sorry for the price increase on these, y'all. It's actually pretty strange how the wholesale price / retail price relationship isn't linear, which is completely counterintuitive. I won't mention what wholesale pricing actually is on these, but the old retail price was $34.99, and the new retail price is $35.99, so a $1 difference. The corresponding wholesale prices have increased $3.10, so we had to bump our prices otherwise we'd be losing our asses on these after credit card fees and returns. The jazz stuff is some of our most returned product, so I usually have to assume at least 5-8% of these are coming back to me. Probably more info than y'all need - but I hope you all don't think we're bumping prices just for the sake of doing it!

I've always wondered why the label / wholesaler doesn't handle returns generally. I've always found it difficult to return something to a local shop (generally because they aren't that local) & the defect is with the label /pressing plant anyway.
 
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I've always wondered why the label / wholesaler doesn't handle returns generally. I've always found it difficult to return something to a local shop (generally because they aren't that local) & the defect is with the label /pressing plant anyway.
I think you'll find that it varies by label/manufacturer. In general - if it's coming from the majors - I'd recommend reaching out to the point of purchase, as you'll likely have better luck there. I think the idea is (and this is just me talking out loud so I could be totally wrong) that they can condense returns by making it go through the point of purchase. To use us (Plaid Room) as an example, we get about 30-50 returns each week for various reasons. If each of those 30-50 people were to go through the label/distributor, that would be 30-50 cases that they'd have to open, issue return labels for, and also handle all of the email correspondence for. Basically, it's expensive to pay a support team, pay for the return labels, and then of course eat the cost of the product. By funneling it through the point of purchase, they only have to deal with one email and one return shipment, so it's a lot cheaper. Also - they'll inevitably end up with stores like us that take returns from customers, but never actually return anything because it's so much of a hassle. :ROFLMAO:

For indie labels, it could certainly be worth reaching out directly. To use us an example again, if someone reaches out about a Colemine product that they purchased elsewhere that came with a manufacturing defect (scratch, warp, etc. - NOT split seams or corner dings), we will always try to deal with that directly so that way the record store that sold it to them doesn't have to worry about it.
 

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Yeah - sorry for the price increase on these, y'all. It's actually pretty strange how the wholesale price / retail price relationship isn't linear, which is completely counterintuitive. I won't mention what wholesale pricing actually is on these, but the old retail price was $34.99, and the new retail price is $35.99, so a $1 difference. The corresponding wholesale prices have increased $3.10, so we had to bump our prices otherwise we'd be losing our asses on these after credit card fees and returns. The jazz stuff is some of our most returned product, so I usually have to assume at least 5-8% of these are coming back to me. Probably more info than y'all need - but I hope you all don't think we're bumping prices just for the sake of doing it!
Yeah, we know the price increase is out of your control. Plaidroom consistently has the best prices on new titles. Your shop is consistently my go-to for new releases. And if you sold your used stock online... I'd probably be BROKE! Ha ha.

I'm surprised you get so many returns on jazz titles. All the Tone Poets and Blue Note titles, as well as the new Analogue Productions series I've purchased have all been excellent pressings. Though Optimal has been somewhat hit or miss lately with the BN Classics series, e.g. hairline scratches, no-fill, etc.
 

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He also mentions that they have just cut Kenny Burrell's S/T and was discussing it with Kevin, so that sounds like another Tone Poet.

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if you follow Harley on IG and read through comments of his posts, these and others have been posted! I'm hoping they are a TP release as well. He's a great follow because he is always posting some clips from mastering sessions and is pretty responsive to fans.
 

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Anybody know if any of the Transition Jazz titles might make their way to the TP series? I really want a copy of Byrd Blows on Beacon Hill...not really sure who owns the Transition catalogue anymore.
 

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Anybody know if any of the Transition Jazz titles might make their way to the TP series? I really want a copy of Byrd Blows on Beacon Hill...not really sure who owns the Transition catalogue anymore.
Funnily enough he confirms this in the part 2!

Byrd Blows is a fantastic album so that would be a good one for sure. I picked up a Japanese King pressing last year from Japan and it sounds stellar. What would be super super amazing is if the Tone Poets included the booklets that originally came with them. As far as I am aware these have never been reproduced before.

 
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Yeah, we know the price increase is out of your control. Plaidroom consistently has the best prices on new titles. Your shop is consistently my go-to for new releases. And if you sold your used stock online... I'd probably be BROKE! Ha ha.

I'm surprised you get so many returns on jazz titles. All the Tone Poets and Blue Note titles, as well as the new Analogue Productions series I've purchased have all been excellent pressings. Though Optimal has been somewhat hit or miss lately with the BN Classics series, e.g. hairline scratches, no-fill, etc.
We appreciate all your orders so much! :):)

A lot of the tone poets tend to seam split more regularly than other records, so we get a lot of returns for that reason. MFSL records are the same way. They both use Stoughton tip-on jackets. But, we do with Colemine too, and we don't get many seam splits at all with our Colemine shipments. It's strange....we can't really figure that one out.
 

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Funnily enough he confirms this in the part 2!

Byrd Blows is a fantastic album so that would be a good one for sure. I picked up a Japanese King pressing last year from Japan and it sounds stellar. What would be super super amazing is if the Tone Poets included the booklets that originally came with them. As far as I am aware these have never been reproduced before.

At 13:30, Joe talks about the upcoming releases including a previously unannounced Stanley Turrentine record that features Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner.
 
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