Black Lives Matter

ranbalam said:
I can't even believe it. I work with a guy that is POSITIVE that George Floyd wasn't murdered, that they were all crisis actors and it was all set up to instigate riots to make the country unstable and crash the economy even more, all to take down Trump in November.
He came in this morning talking to anyone that would listen. I kept overhearing "deep state" "it doesn't add up" and "do your research"

I decided not to engage. I can't even argue this morning.

At this point I have to assume he's a flat-earther as well.
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Hey! I know some wingnuts, too!

Here are a couple of exerpts from a FB rant. This cat is on that conspiracy trip, too, but my favorite part is how he always uses the wrong terminology.


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Dtknuckles said:
My city of 212 thousand people is going through something strange. We have the National Guard in town. We are split roughly 50/50 between the two parties.

Rumors started that there was going to be a 800 person protest today in the center of the city. The right thinks it’s antifa and the left things it’s white nationalists. I guarantee you that we have more white nationalists in our area then antifa. The right is also hyper sensitive to looting and have made the typical threats.

the city council had an emergency meeting last night announce a possible 4pm curfew. They voted to match it to the 6pm la county curfew. Hopefully nothing to bad goes down today. We already had a school shooting this year.
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Well... it's been fun guys. Keep fighting the good fight. I found out something really upsetting about myself today, and I'm not trying to contaminate the group, so I feel like it's better I exit before that happens. Turns out that I'm... it's actually kind of hard to say... --- I've been working myself up for this, too. I'm just gonna come out and say it... apparently, I... am... "reverse racist." I know!... I was pretty shook by the news. By implying to a straight white woman I know that she might not understand everything about my experience, both as an individual and as a brown man in the United States, it turns out that I was putting her in a box and am reverse racist. Even worse is that, because of that, I'm no different from the cops who murdered George Floyd. Even MORE WORSE than that... 😬 I am pushing allies away.

I'm gonna have to wrap my head around all of this and make a change.


*obviously, I'm joking, but yes... somebody actually tried to accuse me of this today
 
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Dead C said:
Well... it's been fun guys. Keep fighting the good fight. I found out something really upsetting about myself today, and I'm not trying to contaminate the group, so I feel like it's better I exit before that happens. Turns out that I'm... it's actually kind of hard to say... --- I've been working myself up for this, too. I'm just gonna come out and say it... apparently, I... am... "reverse racist." I know!... I was pretty shook by the news. By implying to a straight white woman I know that she might not understand everything about my experience, both as an individual and as a brown man in the United States, it turns out that I was putting her in a box and am reverse racist. Even worse is that, because of that, I'm no different from the cops who murdered George Floyd. Even MORE WORSE than that... 😬 I am pushing allies away.

I'm gonna have to wrap my head around all of this and make a change.
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You bastard! Why did you not clap when Karen had this discussion with you? Apparently she is woke and you still don't want her help?!? You must be a bad person. /s
 
Ethos99 said:
You bastard! Why did you not clap when Karen had this discussion with you? Apparently she is woke and you still don't want her help?!? You must be a bad person. /s
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@Tyr

Since you referenced being mixed race and -- if I understood you correctly -- possibly, code switching(?), I thought about this podcast episode that you might get something out of. It addresses identity as mixed race and something they refer to as racial imposter syndrome. It resonated a lot with me and it also adds another dimension to how we view race, tribalism, and our own identities. It's worth checking out.


www.npr.org

'Racial Impostor Syndrome': Here Are Your Stories

We got more than 100 letters from our listeners about how y'all feel like fakes. Here are some of our favorites.
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Bull Shannon said:
This past week has been hard. Today feels the hardest. I’d consider myself especially leery of slacktivism; I know many people’s efforts start and end with their social media. I live in Portland; I’m very familiar with the idea that some people are more interested in looking virtuous than acting with virtue.

That said, it makes me really sad to see people turn on one another over the instagram blackout. Of all the days since last Monday, this has been the one where I’m most convinced nothing will change. If we focus on the people trying to do something and simply tell them they’re wrong…that just seems like what the cops want right now: infighting.

I’m half black. I pass as white. I don’t get hassled by cops or followed by shopkeepers, though I’ve seen both happen to my own dad, firsthand. I grew up in the white suburbs of Arizona, and had no connection to the black side of my family. People tell me I’m too white in my demeanor to possibly be “of color.” I have a really difficult relationship my with identity, and feel constantly pulled between polarities; some people would tell me I have no right to identify as a person of color, while others would say I’m shirking my responsibilities as a person of color by not speaking up more.
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I wanted to acknowledge this post, I think I missed it while following up on some other topics. As a white chick, I obviously can't speak to living as a mixed race person, but I do have a lot of mixed friends and family members, and I've been fortunate to have many of them share their stories and journeys with me. So I just wanted to let you know that I see you and I'm thinking of you. xo
 
Dead C said:
Well... it's been fun guys. Keep fighting the good fight. I found out something really upsetting about myself today, and I'm not trying to contaminate the group, so I feel like it's better I exit before that happens. Turns out that I'm... it's actually kind of hard to say... --- I've been working myself up for this, too. I'm just gonna come out and say it... apparently, I... am... "reverse racist." I know!... I was pretty shook by the news. By implying to a straight white woman I know that she might not understand everything about my experience, both as an individual and as a brown man in the United States, it turns out that I was putting her in a box and am reverse racist. Even worse is that, because of that, I'm no different from the cops who murdered George Floyd. Even MORE WORSE than that... 😬 I am pushing allies away.

I'm gonna have to wrap my head around all of this and make a change.


*obviously, I'm joking, but yes... somebody actually tried to accuse me of this today
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"Reverse Racism" is such a hilarious concept. Do the people who use it realize what they are admitting? Obviously not.
 
Yeah, not sure if people are trying to walk lightly with the Drew Brees thing because some of us are Saints fans.

Nah, let it out! He deserves every bit of roasting he gets. He is clueless. His apology was trash. (We can go through it if there is any interest, or save it as an exercise after we do some of the book). He needs to retire and if he won't, then fired.

I'm done with the ignorance. He. isn't. even. trying. He had 4 years to try to understand. 4 years to speak with any of his black teammates about this.
 
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gouis said:
Nothing good will come to listening to Skip Bayless discuss anything.
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That's pretty dismissive, if you didn't watch this video. You're discouraging people from watching a video about educating themselves on racial issues and justice. If you did watch the video, Skip barely speaks and when he does, he does so in support of Mike and Shannon's efforts. So, to condescendingly dismiss him in this instance, you are essentially undermining his opinion and, in turn, undermining theirs, in this context.

That's like if I put out a statement that said I believed that womens rights were important and someone responded to it with, "That guy's opinions aren't worth listening to anyway." It's a bad look. Especially, for someone that started this thread.




As for @Teeeee mentioning Drew and the Saints... I didn't really consider that, at all, honestly. Drew Brees is only a small component in this clip. I'm mostly interested in Mike's words and position in general, especially how he offers additional insight and resources, as far as discussing these issues. My assumption was that, if you were in this group, you were in favor of being vocal against oppression.
 
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Dead C said:
@Tyr

Since you referenced being mixed race and -- if I understood you correctly -- possibly, code switching(?), I thought about this podcast episode that you might get something out of. It addresses identity as mixed race and something they refer to as racial imposter syndrome. It resonated a lot with me and it also adds another dimension to how we view race, tribalism, and our own identities. It's worth checking out.


www.npr.org

'Racial Impostor Syndrome': Here Are Your Stories

We got more than 100 letters from our listeners about how y'all feel like fakes. Here are some of our favorites.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
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Thank you for sharing this @Dead C. Yes, you understood very well. Code switching is what I was referring to, though I didn't know the name of it. And it is SPOT ON. I haven't listened to the podcast yet but I read the article that accompanied it. It was very eye-opening and actually made me a little sad. My heart hurt a bit for tiny kid Týr who just wanted to be accepted by both sides of his family and never was fully embraced by either.

One thing I've mentioned often on the boards, but never really explored in-depth internally until now, is that I've never felt like I had a home. More specifically, home was never a place or a people for me. Growing up in FL, I never felt at home with my white family or with the community I lived in. I always felt like an outsider, even with my own family. When my Dad gained custody when I was 11-12, I moved in with him and left the South. I also never felt at home with the other side of my family, never accepted. Always loved, by both sides, sure. But never a part of the whole. I spent a good majority of my teenage and 20's years trying to find my place. Trying to find a place to fit in and belong.

I think many of those childhood experiences has led to my "Home is Nowhere" attitude of travel and exploration. Am I searching for a home? I don't know. I don't think so, but I cannot be certain. For now, in this period of self-assessment and reflection, home is me. Home isn't a place or a people but my acceptance of who I am and what I'm about. I no longer wish to try and belong to any one people or place. I am human. I belong to that people. I think a lot of that is also what drives my "Spread Love" personality trait of positivity and human kindness. But I don't know. So much I do not know about the world and myself. But that's part of my journey overall, I guess.

The code-switching and racial ambiguity experiences have made me who I am. They were the building blocks of my formative years and have given me perspective. So I guess I am thankful for that. I like who I am and what I am about. But my heart does go out to all the children who are experiencing something similar.
 
Dead C said:
That's pretty dismissive, if you didn't watch this video. You're discouraging people from watching a video about educating themselves on racial issues and justice. If you did watch the video, Skip barely speaks and when he does, he does so in support of Mike and Shannon's efforts. So, to condescendingly dismiss him in this instance, you are essentially undermining his opinion and, in turn, undermining theirs, in this context.

That's like if I put out a statement that said I believed that womens rights were important and someone responded to it with, "That guy's opinions aren't worth listening to anyway." It's a bad look. Especially, for someone that started this thread.




As for @Teeeee mentioning Drew and the Saints... I didn't really consider that, at all, honestly. Drew Brees is only a small component in this clip. I'm mostly interested in Mike's words and position in general, especially how he offers additional insight and resources, as far as discussing these issues. My assumption was that, if you were in this group, you were in favor of being vocal against oppression.
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Take @gouis post how ever ya like. I don’t think he was being dismissive to the clip or Killer Mike or even what Skip is saying in the clip. In the sports world most regard Skip Bayless as an asshole that spews asinine hot takes in exchange for clicks and ratings. Thus I think it was more of joke directed toward Skip than anything more. That being said his brother is a fucking awesome chef and makes phenomenal Mexican Food.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Take @gouis post how ever ya like. I don’t think he was being dismissive to the clip or Killer Mike or even what Skip is saying in the clip. In the sports world most regard Skip Bayless as an asshole that spews asinine hot takes in exchange for clicks and ratings. That being said his brother is a fucking awesome chef and makes phenomenal Mexican Food.
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One of Rick Bayless' books taught me how to cook, and seems to be just an all around wonderful human.

Skip Bayless is an empty husk of a person. Even if he says something I agree with he's not worth listening to.
 
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Speaking of code switching, NPR's Code Switch team just ran an interview with Alex Vitale about his work:

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How Much Do We Need The Police?

For many Americans, it goes without saying that the police help maintain public safety. But many others — especially black Americans — see the police as more of a threat than a protective force.
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