Chances are you’d be ok. However, right on the back panel or says 8 ohms or more when running one pair of speakers. This indicates a less than stout power supply.
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uvwxVinyl
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does that mean I risk blowing the amp or the speakers? or both ? I've never needed to turn the volume past 30 if that would help
You’d risk blowing fuses inside the Sansui. But you’ll likely be ok.
uvwxVinyl
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As long as I don't blow the new speakers I'll take the risk, then. As mentioned would need to buy a new amp anyway.
Alright it's settled. Excited!
If I wasn’t looking at going smaller footprint I would have tried the 5si.I like that it’s a good fit for my DWs and that it’s made here in the States. Not that I’m opposed to supporting products from other countries. And the wattage is more than enough for my listening space.
That being said, I just watched a review on the Music Fidelity M5si
I’m trying the arcane sa20 and the PS audio Stellar Strata
Make sure your new amp is rated for a 4 ohm load. That indicates the amp has a well designed power supply.
uvwxVinyl
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you can bet I'll be coming back to verify this with you
Any recommendations in the sub 500€ range?
NAD would be my first stop. Onkyo and Pioneer both make models that qualify.you can bet I'll be coming back to verify this with you
Any recommendations in the sub 500€ range?
uvwxVinyl
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So i remember a while back you had recommended the 326BEE but those seem to be discontinued now. In the 326 specs I'm
- Continuous output power into 8Ω and 4Ω (Stereo)
- >50W (ref. rated THD, 20Hz-20kHz, both channels driven)
It puts out the same power into both 8 and 4 ohms. The important thing is that it’s 4 ohm compatible.
dansomeone
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Sebastian
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It says out of stock but I have to wait until the new year. Thanks for looking outAudio Advisor has a demo Sphinx V3 in silver available for $200 off:
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dansomeone
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I was just able to put it in my cart, but if you have to wait, then you have to wait.It says out of stock but I have to wait until the new year. Thanks for looking out
You might want to keep an eye on The Music Room too. They have a Sphinx V2 in 9/10 condition right now for $975
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Not sure where to put this so here will do but just swapped the stock techie mat for the oyaide br-12 and it's, well, different. For one thing warped records don't seem as warped which is just plain weird. Also some of the more apparent clicks, pops and general noisy sections on records seem to be less obvious. Because I know which parts of which records are generally a bit screwy (I'm running through the GD box as that's fairly recent) I can see where the difference is and, on the whole, issues are still there they don't seem as much of a total distraction from the music. The volume seems to have totally shifted too so I'm finding I need to crank it a little more but I'm not getting any ill effects sound wise from doing it as far as I can tell. I've added the AT 618a weight I picked up for 20 quid as apparently the mat works better with a weight but I'm honestly not sure what I'm hearing here. I think it's better but I'm really not sure.
Still haven't fitted the isonoe feet. That's tomorrow's job (or whenever I can be arsed)
Still haven't fitted the isonoe feet. That's tomorrow's job (or whenever I can be arsed)
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AnthonyI
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So it's been a month with the Chinook and I'm happy to report its a keeper, and rounds off the "End Game" components of the main system
A little on how this came to be, I've said many times that I tend to look at components for a given system in "price pools", meaning that usually components in the same $$ range seem to get along nicely, not to say there aren't components that "hit above" their price range. My budget for the main system has always been a simple $2-3K (ballpark) per component. With that said, I've always wanted to creep up the ladder with my phono stage, the Insight is a phenomenal piece of equipment, there are no qualms about that, but, the DUO was always there kind of taunting me, lol.
The speed bump, as it were, was the cost. Sitting at $4k it was more than I wanted to spend in keeping with my budget, so we slowly started weighing out the possibility of moving to the 20/20 ($2650 w/LPS). There were no negatives I could really find, I knew what to expect from Sutherland and the Insight was staying in the family either way, so it was decided to make the move.
Enter the Manley Chinook ($2800). Manley has been mentioned on the forum more than once, it wasn't a new name or anything, it just didn't seem to jump out in discussions (part of the reason I'm writing this). I logged on to Upscale Audio and brought up the phono stage page and sorted it by price, just to give one last glance at what was in the same price range as the 20/20.........and, literally, right next to the 20/20 sat the Manley Chinook SE MKII. I shot a PM to @HiFi Guy to get his opinions and at the same time gave UA a call to pick their brains a bit about the 2 units.
So little sidebar, huge kudos to both UA and Manley for phenomenal customer service. I spoke to Josh at UA, a few times actually, and a couple of emails as well, in all probably spending close to 90 minutes comparing the two based on my rig, which he was nice enough to ask about, pull up the components to see their specs and use those in formulating an opinion. At the end of it all with all feedback processed we went with the Manley. What I did appreciate was UA breaking it down to this.......spec wise I would most likely enjoy either or, but if I liked the "tube" sound and what I was getting out of my PL I would probably enjoy the Chinook more. As for Manley, it was kind of shocking getting an email directly from EveAnna Manley after registering my Chinook, even more so when they gave me a shout back telling me they may have sent a unit without all the UA tweaks. After some research on their end it was confirmed my unit was fine, but something to take note of, they could have just as easily ignored the issue, it would have been really easy, but they didn't. And on top of that, it was EveAnna who was carrying on the correspondence with me, which was really crazy to me, but I appreciated so much..........I even got a free T-Shirt for my "troubles".
So, how about this bad boy? It's brilliant, noticeably quieter background, silent. A more detailed, airy, dynamic sound with a fantastic mid-range and soundstage. The comparison is difficult, if not bordering on unfair, the Insight is a SS stage that I would categorize a level below the Chinook. If I were to compare, I would put the Chinook against the 20/20, if not something a little higher. At this price point and with what I'm hearing from it, in my opinion, you would be hard pressed to find better without a substantially higher investment.
The "Special Edition MKII" is in reference to the tweaks Manley added to this unit exclusively for UA. An expanded capability to handle load/gain requirements and UA "curated" tubes. The tubes were something that weighed heavy on this discussion with the Chinook, is stacking this with the PL going to make it "too tubey", whatever that actually means. I really fell in love with tubes, the tube sound, how ever you want to define it, with the PL, the Chinook has just brought that beautifully "liquid" sound up a couple of notches, if it's too tubey, it's a good thing. The Chinook does go through a factory burn in process and it was recommended to give it a week to really hit it's stride, to which I assumed 40-50 hours would get us in the "zone".
I think, as with anything, you think you've heard great until you hear the next "great". The Chinook, in comparison to the Insight, does take music/vinyl to another level, once again I sit amazed at how different certain albums sound, how much they've opened up. While some phono's tend to reveal the flaws in crate finds or "lesser quality" recordings, the Chinook actually does a really good job of making audiophile recordings sound jaw dropping, and not so hot pressings enjoyable. The Chinook is a really easy listen, its comfortable, its not strained in any way when you sit down to listen to a variety of music. Full, lush, detailed with an overall natural sound.
I do like sticking to things that I know work and work to my liking, but I'm glad I decided to go a little outside the box on this one, if you're in the market and in this price range put it on your radar, If you're considering a 20/20 I would toss the Chinook right next to it, it's a phenomenal piece of equipment.
A little on how this came to be, I've said many times that I tend to look at components for a given system in "price pools", meaning that usually components in the same $$ range seem to get along nicely, not to say there aren't components that "hit above" their price range. My budget for the main system has always been a simple $2-3K (ballpark) per component. With that said, I've always wanted to creep up the ladder with my phono stage, the Insight is a phenomenal piece of equipment, there are no qualms about that, but, the DUO was always there kind of taunting me, lol.
The speed bump, as it were, was the cost. Sitting at $4k it was more than I wanted to spend in keeping with my budget, so we slowly started weighing out the possibility of moving to the 20/20 ($2650 w/LPS). There were no negatives I could really find, I knew what to expect from Sutherland and the Insight was staying in the family either way, so it was decided to make the move.
Enter the Manley Chinook ($2800). Manley has been mentioned on the forum more than once, it wasn't a new name or anything, it just didn't seem to jump out in discussions (part of the reason I'm writing this). I logged on to Upscale Audio and brought up the phono stage page and sorted it by price, just to give one last glance at what was in the same price range as the 20/20.........and, literally, right next to the 20/20 sat the Manley Chinook SE MKII. I shot a PM to @HiFi Guy to get his opinions and at the same time gave UA a call to pick their brains a bit about the 2 units.
So little sidebar, huge kudos to both UA and Manley for phenomenal customer service. I spoke to Josh at UA, a few times actually, and a couple of emails as well, in all probably spending close to 90 minutes comparing the two based on my rig, which he was nice enough to ask about, pull up the components to see their specs and use those in formulating an opinion. At the end of it all with all feedback processed we went with the Manley. What I did appreciate was UA breaking it down to this.......spec wise I would most likely enjoy either or, but if I liked the "tube" sound and what I was getting out of my PL I would probably enjoy the Chinook more. As for Manley, it was kind of shocking getting an email directly from EveAnna Manley after registering my Chinook, even more so when they gave me a shout back telling me they may have sent a unit without all the UA tweaks. After some research on their end it was confirmed my unit was fine, but something to take note of, they could have just as easily ignored the issue, it would have been really easy, but they didn't. And on top of that, it was EveAnna who was carrying on the correspondence with me, which was really crazy to me, but I appreciated so much..........I even got a free T-Shirt for my "troubles".
So, how about this bad boy? It's brilliant, noticeably quieter background, silent. A more detailed, airy, dynamic sound with a fantastic mid-range and soundstage. The comparison is difficult, if not bordering on unfair, the Insight is a SS stage that I would categorize a level below the Chinook. If I were to compare, I would put the Chinook against the 20/20, if not something a little higher. At this price point and with what I'm hearing from it, in my opinion, you would be hard pressed to find better without a substantially higher investment.
The "Special Edition MKII" is in reference to the tweaks Manley added to this unit exclusively for UA. An expanded capability to handle load/gain requirements and UA "curated" tubes. The tubes were something that weighed heavy on this discussion with the Chinook, is stacking this with the PL going to make it "too tubey", whatever that actually means. I really fell in love with tubes, the tube sound, how ever you want to define it, with the PL, the Chinook has just brought that beautifully "liquid" sound up a couple of notches, if it's too tubey, it's a good thing. The Chinook does go through a factory burn in process and it was recommended to give it a week to really hit it's stride, to which I assumed 40-50 hours would get us in the "zone".
I think, as with anything, you think you've heard great until you hear the next "great". The Chinook, in comparison to the Insight, does take music/vinyl to another level, once again I sit amazed at how different certain albums sound, how much they've opened up. While some phono's tend to reveal the flaws in crate finds or "lesser quality" recordings, the Chinook actually does a really good job of making audiophile recordings sound jaw dropping, and not so hot pressings enjoyable. The Chinook is a really easy listen, its comfortable, its not strained in any way when you sit down to listen to a variety of music. Full, lush, detailed with an overall natural sound.
I do like sticking to things that I know work and work to my liking, but I'm glad I decided to go a little outside the box on this one, if you're in the market and in this price range put it on your radar, If you're considering a 20/20 I would toss the Chinook right next to it, it's a phenomenal piece of equipment.
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I’ve spoken with Josh at UA as well. Nice guy. He actually recommends the Chinook over the Duo. Not that I regret the Duo at all, especially when an “open box” at MD was only a few hundred more than the Chinook.So it's been a month with the Chinook and I'm happy to report its a keeper, and rounds off the "End Game" components of the main system
A little on how this came to be, I've said many times that I tend to look at components for a given system in "price pools", meaning that usually components in the same $$ range seem to get along nicely, not to say there aren't components that "hit above" their price range. My budget for the main system has always been a simple $2-3K (ballpark) per component. With that said, I've always wanted to creep up the ladder with my phono stage, the Insight is a phenomenal piece of equipment, there are no qualms about that, but, the DUO was always there kind of taunting me, lol.
The speed bump, as it were, was the cost. Sitting at $4k it was more than I wanted to spend in keeping with my budget, so we slowly started weighing out the possibility of moving to the 20/20 ($2650 w/LPS). There were no negatives I could really find, I knew what to expect from Sutherland and the Insight was staying in the family either way, so it was decided to make the move.
Enter the Manley Chinook ($2800). Manley has been mentioned on the forum more than once, it wasn't a new name or anything, it just didn't seem to jump out in discussions (part of the reason I'm writing this). I logged on to Upscale Audio and brought up the phono stage page and sorted it by price, just to give one last glance at what was in the same price range as the 20/20.........and, literally, right next to the 20/20 sat the Manley Chinook SE MKII. I shot a PM to @HiFi Guy to get his opinions and at the same time gave UA a call to pick their brains a bit about the 2 units.
So little sidebar, huge kudos to both UA and Manley for phenomenal customer service. I spoke to Josh at UA, a few times actually, and a couple of emails as well, in all probably spending close to 90 minutes comparing the two based on my rig, which he was nice enough to ask about, pull up the components to see their specs and use those in formulating an opinion. At the end of it all with all feedback processed we went with the Manley. What I did appreciate was UA breaking it down to this.......spec wise I would most likely enjoy either or, but if I liked the "tube" sound and what I was getting out of my PL I would probably enjoy the Chinook more. As for Manley, it was kind of shocking getting an email directly from EveAnna Manley after registering my Chinook, even more so when they gave me a shout back telling me they may have sent a unit without all the UA tweaks. After some research on their end it was confirmed my unit was fine, but something to take note of, they could have just as easily ignored the issue, it would have been really easy, but they didn't. And on top of that, it was EveAnna who was carrying on the correspondence with me, which was really crazy to me, but I appreciated so much..........I even got a free T-Shirt for my "troubles".
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So, how about this bad boy? It's brilliant, noticeably quieter background, silent. A more detailed, airy, dynamic sound with a fantastic mid-range and soundstage. The comparison is difficult, if not bordering on unfair, the Insight is a SS stage that I would categorize a level below the Chinook. If I were to compare, I would put the Chinook against the 20/20, if not something a little higher. At this price point and with what I'm hearing from it, in my opinion, you would be hard pressed to find better without a substantially higher investment.
The "Special Edition MKII" is in reference to the tweaks Manley added to this unit exclusively for UA. An expanded capability to handle load/gain requirements and UA "curated" tubes. The tubes were something that weighed heavy on this discussion with the Chinook, is stacking this with the PL going to make it "too tubey", whatever that actually means. I really fell in love with tubes, the tube sound, how ever you want to define it, with the PL, the Chinook has just brought that beautifully "liquid" sound up a couple of notches, if it's too tubey, it's a good thing. The Chinook does go through a factory burn in process and it was recommended to give it a week to really hit it's stride, to which I assumed 40-50 hours would get us in the "zone".
I think, as with anything, you think you've heard great until you hear the next "great". The Chinook, in comparison to the Insight, does take music/vinyl to another level, once again I sit amazed at how different certain albums sound, how much they've opened up. While some phono's tend to reveal the flaws in crate finds or "lesser quality" recordings, the Chinook actually does a really good job of making audiophile recordings sound jaw dropping, and not so hot pressings enjoyable. The Chinook is a really easy listen, its comfortable, its not strained in any way when you sit down to listen to a variety of music. Full, lush, detailed when it needs to be and overall natural sounding.
I do like sticking to things that I know work and work to my liking, but I'm glad I decided to go a little outside the box on this one, if you're in the market and in this price range put it on your radar, If you're considering a 20/20 I would toss the Chinook right next to it, it's a phenomenal piece of equipment.
what is a good midrange preamp... basically something i can put in when i am rich enough for the mofi studio/ultra deck and hana MC cartridge...
only major requirements would be able to handle the 0.5mv power and do a loading impedence over 400ohms
only major requirements would be able to handle the 0.5mv power and do a loading impedence over 400ohms
wenis
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If I were to catch a line on a lightly used Vincent Pho 8, would that work on my current setup? I’m talking about through a buddy of a buddy so I might get it a bit cheaper than usual. Still want to save up for a Sutherland Insight, but have been curious about the Pho.
apholden
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The Pho-8 is still well regarded in these parts. I don't see anything that would keep it from working.
apholden
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I'm not sure what you mean by "midrange." I've been happy with my Sutherland Insight (about $900 used). I know Joe Mac has been happy with his MX—VYNL.
It might help to make an account on hifishark.com—if you haven't done so already—and create saved searches for a couple different options. When you get an email for one that seems a good price, and that you can afford, jump on it! If you don't have the money right then, don't worry. Let it go, and another opportunity will come up again!