Vinyl Me Please Rap & Hip Hop

Jmcg85 said:
I think @duke86fan would agree. I'm more of an "tracklist as artist intended" kinda guy lol
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Yeah, I get that point of view, too. I guess I'm more of a "if you can't get your point across in a 4-minute song and need a 1-minute skit to supplement it then screw your intended tracklist" kinda guy 😂

NathanRicaud said:
For me it depends on the album! I hate the skits on Big Pun’s Capital Punishment and am not much of a fan of the ones on Ghostface Killah’s Supreme Clientele!

But the skits on Muddy Waters are amazing! They add to the album in my opinion! Just like with Prince Paul’s A Prince Among Thieves and De La Soul’s first two albums!
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This is true, too. I don't mind the Prince Paul since it's supposed to be an aural movie or whatever. But even with that one, when you remove the skits, you still get the full story. And the De La Soul skits are great. But I still prefer my skit-less versions 😂. If I want the full experience, I can always listen to the CD or streaming. Vinyl is hard cause you can't just skip them easily. Like, I don't want to hear Biggie get serviced every time before I listen to Friend of Mine.
 
debar22 said:
Yeah, I get that point of view, too. I guess I'm more of a "if you can't get your point across in a 4-minute song and need a 1-minute skit to supplement it then screw your intended tracklist" kinda guy 😂



This is true, too. I don't mind the Prince Paul since it's supposed to be an aural movie or whatever. But even with that one, when you remove the skits, you still get the full story. And the De La Soul skits are great. But I still prefer my skit-less versions 😂. If I want the full experience, I can always listen to the CD or streaming. Vinyl is hard cause you can't just skip them easily. Like, I don't want to hear Biggie get serviced every time before I listen to Friend of Mine.
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Mmmmm like that sex skit on Ready to Die is the worst! Just like with the Pause 4 Porno skit on Dr Dre’s The Chronic 2001! And omg, that intro on Lil’ Kim’s Hardcore is bad too! 😂
 


If Muddy Waters does indeed have the skits, then that would mean a new master of what is most likely the CD version pressed to vinyl, which means we won't be getting the extended version of Iz He 4 Real that was on the original edition. Might wanna keep your original copy @scotthilk
 
mitchplease said:


If Muddy Waters does indeed have the skits, then that would mean a new master of what is most likely the CD version pressed to vinyl, which means we won't be getting the extended version of Iz He 4 Real that was on the original edition. Might wanna keep your original copy @scotthilk
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Interesting! Good look. I'd still trade for the skits, though.
 
Jmcg85 said:
The increase is definitely a major factor now
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I am heavily leaning toward not doing the bridge deal now and just calling it quits...and it's mostly because of the swap price. I was gonna be out either way after the bridge deal with the price hikes but now it'll just be sooner. I'd probably do the 3 month bridge deal if swaps were still $23, but paying $30 for ROTM and then $33 for an add-on if I wanted it...I can just use that money to buy a nice pressing of whatever album I want instead of having to choose from VMPs archives or ROTM. I'd pick up Dreams for a $23 swap but paying $33 for it is a much harder choice. On a bridge deal, swaps are more than the ROTM now which seems crazy to me.
 
MikeH said:
I am heavily leaning toward not doing the bridge deal now and just calling it quits...and it's mostly because of the swap price. I was gonna be out either way after the bridge deal with the price hikes but now it'll just be sooner. I'd probably do the 3 month bridge deal if swaps were still $23, but paying $30 for ROTM and then $33 for an add-on if I wanted it...I can just use that money to buy a nice pressing of whatever album I want instead of having to choose from VMPs archives or ROTM. I'd pick up Dreams for a $23 swap but paying $33 for it is a much harder choice. On a bridge deal, swaps are more than the ROTM now which seems crazy to me.
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I say this as someone who is still a member, but none of these albums are anything you can't live without (no album is, no matter how excited anyone gets about it). It sounds like you are thinking out loud your very good reasons to leave.

Go for it!
 
MikeH said:
I am heavily leaning toward not doing the bridge deal now and just calling it quits...and it's mostly because of the swap price. I was gonna be out either way after the bridge deal with the price hikes but now it'll just be sooner. I'd probably do the 3 month bridge deal if swaps were still $23, but paying $30 for ROTM and then $33 for an add-on if I wanted it...I can just use that money to buy a nice pressing of whatever album I want instead of having to choose from VMPs archives or ROTM. I'd pick up Dreams for a $23 swap but paying $33 for it is a much harder choice. On a bridge deal, swaps are more than the ROTM now which seems crazy to me.
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The add on/swap price is such a killer it drives me bonkers 😭
 
The bridge deal in and of itself is a good deal for the year, taking the monthly price for U.S. members to ~$27/mo (after taxes w/ variation for different tax rates).

This only takes into account the price as a cold, hard number - it does not take into account things ancillary to that number. For example, whether or not you believe VMP will make it a year (I think those already ringing the death knell are a bit bloodthirsty; I personally think they will be around in a year; whether or not they SHOULD be is another thought); or how much one values voting with their wallet by not licensing VMP's action regardless of price to them personally. I'm not answering these questions, simply saying that there is more than just a number associated with VMP now - and they did that to themselves. I'm still a member - that's okay. Being an apologist - well that's just being an ostrich. But I also don't think being a member is a moral issue.

I think for those that do stay but think the add-on price is overpriced (it is), this will also be a good exercise in prudence and conscious purchasing. For example, my plan is to allow no add-ons. So, between the three tracks every month, I will only lock in one. It forces me to be more discerning and in turn for it to become a habituation that I can use in all of my vinyl purchases - regarding how much I really, really want something in my collection, the value added - outside of only VMP.
 
I've been on month to month since Decmeber of 2018. Carter III was my first album from VMP. I gathered some of the backlog around then and managed to cop Doggystyle, Fugees, Ready to Die, etc. More than that but I can't recall exactly without digging through my order history.

I ended up falling in love with the variety and quality of the classics track. I actually decided to collect every record from classics, and I've recently achieved owning all of them. Classics is my main track now, even though I signed up for RHH initially. I've since renewed on the yearly plan for $299 on the classics track and have decided to only add RHH or Essentials when I deem necessary. RHH has had some major misses this year for me, and I don't always love the genre of Essentials.

That said... the increased cost of the add-ons is going to greatly influence my purchases. I'm 100% in for classics so long as they keep up the quality... so lock me in there. It's paid for the year so let's go. Aside from that... the Essentials or RHH pick needs to be super solid or I'm passing on it. $33 per add-on is pricey to take flyers on a record I'm not familiar with so I'm just going to stick to what I *REALLY* want, and not take chances on records that I may have in the past for $23.
 
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