In 2010-2011 I saw him at the Neptune and he very uncomfortably harassed a woman in the front of the audience for most of the show. That was when I started to pull away from him as a fan.
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In 2010-2011 I saw him at the Neptune and he very uncomfortably harassed a woman in the front of the audience for most of the show. That was when I started to pull away from him as a fan.
Djxfactor511
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Rose McGowan accuses director Alexander Payne of sexual assault
Rose McGowan has accused director Alexander Payne of sexual misconduct. She alleges the behavior took place when she was onl 15 years old.
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Indymisanthrope
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This one bums me out. About Schmidt is my favorite film.Rose McGowan accuses director Alexander Payne of sexual assault
Rose McGowan has accused director Alexander Payne of sexual misconduct. She alleges the behavior took place when she was onl 15 years old.
I do think it’s a bit odd—or I’d at least like some help exploring this idea—that she says she just wants him to acknowledge it and apologize, but not for him to be ‘canceled.’
I’m not sure how I feel about the idea that a victim, having made their accusation public, can make that sort of request. Statutory rape is statutory rape, and not wanting to do business with the type of person who does that sort of thing is my and your prerogative. The woman (then girl) who was assaulted by Roman Polanski has also been vocal in minimizing what was done to her, but anyone who works with Polanski in 2020 has to answer to that choice. Thoughts about this?
Melt Face Molly Drop
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Talk about doubling down. Who was it that used to have an Unknown Hinson avatar that helped with the gear thread? Wonder how he’s doing
that's what he gets for "coming for Saint Dolly Parton and getting his dusty old ass handed to him," as stated in Wikipedia. his whole meltdown has been wild.
wasn't that Chupacabra on the old forum?
Melt Face Molly Drop
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Ahhh yep, that was him.
Melt Face Molly Drop
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It really is bizarre. Like, the amount of self hate you have to possess and never had to come to terms with and then to see it all implode publicly — is just both very sad and bizarre.
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I’m not so surprised at the maturity David handled this...
Recently a journalist pointed out something I did in a promo video skit in 1984 for the Talking Heads concert film Stop Making Sense. In the piece I appear as a number of different characters interviewing myself, and some of the characters portrayed are people of color.
I’d just about forgotten about this skit and I’m grateful that it has been brought to my attention. To watch myself in the various characters, including black and brown face, I acknowledge it was a major mistake in judgement that showed a lack of real understanding. It’s like looking in a mirror and seeing someone else- you’re not, or were not, the person you thought you were.
We have huge blind spots about ourselves- well, I certainly do. I’d like to think I am beyond making mistakes like this, but clearly at the time I was not. Like I say at the end of our Broadway show American Utopia "I need to change too"...and I believe I have changed since then. One hopes that folks have the grace and understanding to allow that someone like me, anyone really, can grow and change, and that the past can be examined with honesty and accountability.
- David Byrne
It’s just surprising that more people haven’t learned to handle things this way.
Recently a journalist pointed out something I did in a promo video skit in 1984 for the Talking Heads concert film Stop Making Sense. In the piece I appear as a number of different characters interviewing myself, and some of the characters portrayed are people of color.
I’d just about forgotten about this skit and I’m grateful that it has been brought to my attention. To watch myself in the various characters, including black and brown face, I acknowledge it was a major mistake in judgement that showed a lack of real understanding. It’s like looking in a mirror and seeing someone else- you’re not, or were not, the person you thought you were.
We have huge blind spots about ourselves- well, I certainly do. I’d like to think I am beyond making mistakes like this, but clearly at the time I was not. Like I say at the end of our Broadway show American Utopia "I need to change too"...and I believe I have changed since then. One hopes that folks have the grace and understanding to allow that someone like me, anyone really, can grow and change, and that the past can be examined with honesty and accountability.
- David Byrne
It’s just surprising that more people haven’t learned to handle things this way.
Djxfactor511
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Melt Face Molly Drop
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Confused, is that first tweet a mistake?
gaporter
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Catching up on the convo about Ryan Adams + Morrissey over in the VMP thread got me thinking but it seems the conversation has largely shifted away from that and so I think it's best to post this here where less people will see it but where it will be more appropriate.
I feel very guilty and ashamed that I still find myself listening to Crystal Castles. I don't put them on nearly as much as I used to these days for obvious reasons, but their first two albums left a huge impact on me and I find it very difficult to cut them out completely. I try to justify it to myself by thinking about how just because one half of the duo is a massive shitbag doesn't mean the other half who deserves the support should be brought down with him. But then I realize Alice herself would probably tell me how full of shit that reasoning is. It's just tough for art that helped shape you to be sullied like that and it just leaves you feeling shitty and stupid for not being able to turn your back on it like you wish you could.
I just hope for the day Alice Glass puts out a debut album of her own, I will be the first in line to order it and support her without having to support the dickwad of a leech that terrorized her for years.
I feel very guilty and ashamed that I still find myself listening to Crystal Castles. I don't put them on nearly as much as I used to these days for obvious reasons, but their first two albums left a huge impact on me and I find it very difficult to cut them out completely. I try to justify it to myself by thinking about how just because one half of the duo is a massive shitbag doesn't mean the other half who deserves the support should be brought down with him. But then I realize Alice herself would probably tell me how full of shit that reasoning is. It's just tough for art that helped shape you to be sullied like that and it just leaves you feeling shitty and stupid for not being able to turn your back on it like you wish you could.
I just hope for the day Alice Glass puts out a debut album of her own, I will be the first in line to order it and support her without having to support the dickwad of a leech that terrorized her for years.
Djxfactor511
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Why yes, yes it is. Editing now.
scotthilk
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Damn. Crazy as I really like them.
His actions are horrible and inexcusable. I am glad, however, that he stated publicly that the claims were correct and did not discount the victim. I hope that helps the victim heal.
scotthilk
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Funny this thread popped up on my feed today. I was looking up some Afrika Bambaataa vinyl records and found some disturbing info about him. I'm not into cancel-culture based solely on someone's actions, but it will make it harder for me to appreciate his music now.
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Zulu Nation Apologizes to Alleged Bambaataa Abuse Victims
The Universal Zulu Nation has issued a new statement apologizing to the alleged victims of sexual abuse perpetrated by their founder Afrika Bambaataa.
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Melt Face Molly Drop
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Yeah, I remember this. When I saw your post I was thinking "uhh, does he know?" I haven't seen much more about this since it was initially reported a few years back, so wonder if he's just trying to lay low now in hopes it'll blow over and people will forget (they won't)Funny this thread popped up on my feed today. I was looking up some Afrika Bambaataa vinyl records and found some disturbing info about him. I'm not into cancel-culture based solely on someone's actions, but it will make it harder for me to appreciate his music now.
Zulu Nation Apologizes to Alleged Bambaataa Abuse Victims
The Universal Zulu Nation has issued a new statement apologizing to the alleged victims of sexual abuse perpetrated by their founder Afrika Bambaataa.
scotthilk
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I did not know!
I have to be honest that there are times I really miss listening to Ryan Adams. Love Is Hell, Gold, 29 were all in constant rotation. Love Is Hell was the album I would listen to when I took long walks in my neighborhood. I had Easy Tiger as my standard CD in the pickup that I occasionally drove to run errands. My kids would always enjoy listening to it. I think it's extremely telling that nothing has happened since the reveal of what he did to Mandy Moore, Phoebe Bridger and others. No real apology. No real desire to get back out there and try to change. The underage stuff also hasn't been resolved. I know he's always been a problem but damn it's hard at times to not want listen to his stuff at times because it sort of fits perfectly with the mood of the present times. But then I think who else he hurt on the way to making these albums. Maybe it's better that he dug in so I didn't have a ready made excuse to start listening again.
Indymisanthrope
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He did do this:
Musician Ryan Adams reveals he's sober as he pens raw apology
Musician Ryan Adams, 45, shared with DailyMail.com his regrets over his past behavior more than a year after an #MeToo expose where he was accused of dangling opportunities in return for sex.
The “real” part of your comment with respect to this is definitely questionable, though.