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Dtknuckles said:
I have no context for this, but after reading the article it makes me wonder why risk inviting people backstage or to parties anymore.
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The band rules out the possibility that it happened, but doesn’t offer why they can rule it out. Rockstars can’t help themselves regardless. Partiers gonna party.
 
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
Partiers gonna party.
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From what I gather, this is basically it.

The band's parties are a known topic among the fanbase and oft debated, mostly for their impropriety (not illegality). The articles lack much more than "claims made" and "band responds," and it's a rather disappointing and sterile response at that.

The primary account here stands at possible drugging at a party (with no explicit perpetrator) and verbal aggression with no SA. It's clear this woman experienced something awful and lost a window of clarity in the process, which I can only imagine must feel so disempowering.
 
www.welt.de

Till Lindemann and Rammstein: Behind the scenes - WELT

Rammstein is one of the most successful German bands of all time. Now women are making serious allegations against them: abuse of power, sexual assaults, spiked drinks. A woman from Northern Ireland has given the allegations a face and a name.
www.welt.de www.welt.de

Here's one longer account from "Die Welt " newspaper in Germany in english that I found and it looks like Lindemann had a system in place to get young women to him to have sex before, after and even during a break in the show. As the above mentioned article and some other from quality german magazines mention, ghere are dozens of women who seem to basically have similar stories that seem to check out. There is no hard evidence but the accounts seem to add up. I saw a pretty great video by German youtuber Rezo whoafter pretty neutrally analyzing what is known , what us creepy and what might be criminal that the system they had in place the young women were in a situation that makes it hard to make clear decisions ( lots of alcohol was offered, there was group pressure to go along, the women were not told what to expect and put into surpringly changing situations with no easy way out, being in special guarded parts of the backstage area where they had to hand in cellphones before etc. And suddenly one of them is alond in a small room with Lindemann who obviously expects sex.

I agree with Rezos conclusion: if this was about casual consensual sex , a 60yo wealthy pop star could either have escorts ( prostitution is legal in Germany and some other European countries) and they could probably even openly asked around in these after show parties who wants to sleep with him and would probably find enough women who would be willing to have consensual sex with their idol. But they seem to do it differently which means this is obviously more about abuse and power dynamics than it is about sex.
 
There’ve been rumblings about this one for a couple years. If you’d have told me the Uncle Sam from the mustardayonnaise commercial, Choo-Choo the Herky Jerky Dancer, the guy who kept falling into the thimbles during the story of Everest…that that guy would be an insurrectionist…well damn.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

‘Bob’s Burgers’ Star Jay Johnston Charged by DOJ for Storming U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6

Johnston, who also appeared in 'Mr. Show' and 'The Sarah Silverman Program' was arrested in Los Angeles Wednesday.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
 
yukbon said:
God fucking dammit Bob

www.sportskeeda.com

What did Robert Smith do? Grooming allegations explored as disbelief erupts among The Cure fans

British rock band The Cure’s lead singer Robert Smith is facing grooming allegations. Currently, a video accusing the singer of allegedly being in a relationship with a 14-year-old has appeared online.
www.sportskeeda.com www.sportskeeda.com

I know he was a drunk drugged out fucked up mess in the 80s but God fucking dammit Bob
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Yeah I think I'm gunna need a bit more info before I believe some rando website named "sportskeeda". Certainly possible but, this needs a lot more actual reporting first.
 
Mather said:
Yeah I think I'm gunna need a bit more info before I believe some rando website named "sportskeeda". Certainly possible but, this needs a lot more actual reporting first.
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Careful.

This is a common refrain in regards to doubting people coming forward with their stories related to SA.

Most large news websites won't touch a story at this point. There's not a lawsuit or a police report. They don't want to get sued themselves. Please don't let that be a reason to doubt someone's story.

Sportskeeda is a real site. This isn't someone's blogspot. But even if it was, this is how those stories tend to come out in the modern age.
 
JonnyH said:
Careful.

This is a common refrain in regards to doubting people coming forward with their stories related to SA.

Most large news websites won't touch a story at this point. There's not a lawsuit or a police report. They don't want to get sued themselves. Please don't let that be a reason to doubt someone's story.

Sportskeeda is a real site. This isn't someone's blogspot. But even if it was, this is how those stories tend to come out in the modern age.
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It's a tricky intersection of issues, because over in more political spheres, we're encouraging people to enhance their web literacy and use healthy doses of skepticism in examining the credibility of where their news is coming from.

Believe women, but don't necessarily believe every dubious platform that says it's doing journalism. Not a totally easy needle to thread.

Edit: for comparison, sportskeeda's editorial standards page vs. for example, NYT. Maybe an apples to oranges comparison, but one of those is a lot more robust than the other.
 
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Indymisanthrope said:
It's a tricky intersection of issues, because over in more political spheres, we're encouraging people to enhance their web literacy and use healthy doses of skepticism in examining the credibility of where their news is coming from.

Believe women, but don't necessarily believe every dubious platform that says it's doing journalism. Not a totally easy needle to thread.

Edit: for comparison, sportskeeda's editorial standards page vs. for example, NYT. Maybe an apples to oranges comparison, but one of those is a lot more robust than the other.
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Right, and one of those sat on the Weinstein allegations for decades due to their very high editorial standards.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
It's a tricky intersection of issues, because over in more political spheres, we're encouraging people to enhance their web literacy and use healthy doses of skepticism in examining the credibility of where their news is coming from.

Believe women, but don't necessarily believe every dubious platform that says it's doing journalism. Not a totally easy needle to thread.

Edit: for comparison, sportskeeda's editorial standards page vs. for example, NYT. Maybe an apples to oranges comparison, but one of those is a lot more robust than the other.
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My point isn't to never be skeptical. It's to not parrot right wing talking points while stating that you want someone else to tell you the information.
 
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