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radiodead said:
That’s also an opinion I can’t get behind, MASSEDUCTION is better than S/T. No question. I prefer it to Actor but would be open to a difference of opinion.

1. Strange Mercy
2. MASSEDUCTION
3. Actor
4. S/T
5. Marry Me
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And that's the thing, is that even though Masseduction was sorta viewed by some as her worst album so far, it's not like it was a massive flop, and a lot of people don't see it as her worst; the reviews and fan consensus were still mostly positive, and I could totally see why people would still rank it higher than albums like her self-titled and Marry Me (though better than Actor I can't quite wrap my head around :p ). It just seems like there's been a lot of vitriol directed towards her from the indie scene recently for very flimsy reasons, and all of a sudden people are hesitant to talk about how fucking rad she is
 
chrb98 said:
And even if it is, is "A Sleater-Kinney album that sorta sounds like St Vincent" REALLY the terrible thing that so many people make it out to be? St Vincent is one of the most critically acclaimed indie acts of the past decade, yet it seems like a lot of people turned on her all of the sudden for... her last album not being quite as good as the ones prior?
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Yes, because one thing is not like the other. Imagine if Tool appeared and said their new album had actually been produced by Justin Vernon. Then it drops and it sounds just like a Bon Iver record- why would that be terrible? Is Vernon not one of the most critically acclaimed indie acts of the past decade?

Yes, it would be terrible because Tool have their own important and solidified musical voice and they do not need to conform it to the sound of a younger, more recently-successful artist. They don't need a "new formula for a new generation". They are icons. SK had a chance to show Gen Z that girls with loud guitars can be great- they didn't need to make Annie's follow up LP.
 
TheThinWhiteDuke said:
Yes, because one thing is not like the other. Imagine if Tool appeared and said their new album had actually been produced by Justin Vernon. Then it drops and it sounds just like a Bon Iver record- why would that be terrible? Is Vernon not one of the most critically acclaimed indie acts of the past decade?

Yes, it would be terrible because Tool have their own important and solidified musical voice and they do not need to conform it to the sound of a younger, more recently-successful artist. They don't need a "new formula for a new generation". They are icons. SK had a chance to show Gen Z that girls with loud guitars can be great- they didn't need to make Annie's follow up LP.
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I’m sort of excited by the idea of a Justin Vernon produced Tool album. I get your point but if the artist hunts down the producer they are looking some of the sound, Ric Ocasek gives you a nice bouncy Cars sound, Brian Eno sticks needles in the camel’s eyes, Annie Clark makes future pop. But it is (in most cases) the artists choice because they want a piece of their sound in order to expose an unseen characteristic of their own.
 
TheThinWhiteDuke said:
Yes, because one thing is not like the other. Imagine if Tool appeared and said their new album had actually been produced by Justin Vernon. Then it drops and it sounds just like a Bon Iver record- why would that be terrible? Is Vernon not one of the most critically acclaimed indie acts of the past decade?

Yes, it would be terrible because Tool have their own important and solidified musical voice and they do not need to conform it to the sound of a younger, more recently-successful artist. They don't need a "new formula for a new generation". They are icons. SK had a chance to show Gen Z that girls with loud guitars can be great- they didn't need to make Annie's follow up LP.
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Except the new SK doesn’t sound anything like St. Vincent. Small details sure, but if it wasn’t produced by Annie Clark it would a minor influence that people reached for. It’s low hanging fruit, and honestly the whole discourse is pretty sexist.
 
radiodead said:
Except the new SK doesn’t sound anything like St. Vincent. Small details sure, but if it wasn’t produced by Annie Clark it would a minor influence that people reached for. It’s low hanging fruit, and honestly the whole discourse is pretty sexist.
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As a recovering/relapsed Dave Matthews Band fan I remember when they scrapped their Steve Lillywhite followup To “Before These Crowded Streets” and instead decided to go with “Jagged Little Pill” producer Glenn Ballard. His fanbase hated “Everyday” soooo much and primarily held Ballard to blame for their disappointment. Another example would be Fiona Apple’s “Extraordinary Machine” many much prefer the leaked Jon Brion produced version to the official released. Larger point being lots of people hold the producer in account (regardless of sex) when their is a change in sound. Their is definitely sexism at play within the music industry at large and (though it’s slowly improving) females especially in the role of producer is greatly underrepresented but I don’t necessarily think the reason people are disappointed in the production of the new S-K album are doing it from of place of sexism. Their sound is different and their drummer quit the band. I would imagine fans would have blamed Justin Vernon if he had produced this record (rightly or wrongly) too for the shift in their style (rightly or wrongly). Producer are any easy scapegoat for loyal fans especially when they are new to the band.
 
TheThinWhiteDuke said:
Yes, because one thing is not like the other. Imagine if Tool appeared and said their new album had actually been produced by Justin Vernon. Then it drops and it sounds just like a Bon Iver record- why would that be terrible? Is Vernon not one of the most critically acclaimed indie acts of the past decade?

Yes, it would be terrible because Tool have their own important and solidified musical voice and they do not need to conform it to the sound of a younger, more recently-successful artist. They don't need a "new formula for a new generation". They are icons. SK had a chance to show Gen Z that girls with loud guitars can be great- they didn't need to make Annie's follow up LP.
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Tool and Justin Vernon are practically as far apart as you can get, musically. I get your point, but SK and SV are, all things considered, very close on the musical spectrum, and whereas a Bon Iver/Tool mashup would sound completely out of place, a Sleater-Kinney and St. Vincent combination meshes very well, even if the end results weren’t loved by some.

And I don’t know, I just strongly disagree with this idea that The Center Won’t Hold sounds like a St. Vincent album, especially that it sounds more like that than a SK album. A LOT of SK’s signature sound is still here, I’m fairly sure they wrote the bulk of these songs by themselves, with Annie mainly handling the in-studio production and having some tweaks and occasional input. If we wanna talk soundscapes, production technique, etc. sure, this has a fair bit in common with St. Vincent’s work on her own albums. But when you look at the songwriting (the melodies, the lyrics, the structuring, etc.), this is, at least in my opinion, undeniably Sleater-Kinney at the core. I could maybe see someone not seeing this if they’re ONLY looking at the earlier days of the band and stuck in that “this is a riot grrrl band through and through, nothing else” mentality, but when you compare their previous two albums to this one, the similarities in songwriting is glaring
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
As a recovering/relapsed Dave Matthews Band fan I remember when they scrapped their Steve Lillywhite followup To “Before These Crowded Streets” and instead decided to go with “Jagged Little Pill” producer Glenn Ballard.
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Triggered.

I still have my Lilywhite Sessions demo CD and I do mean NOT the watered down Busted Stuff as I'm sure you do too lol.
 
The Center Won't Hold thoughts:

I think I'm one of the main voices on the forum saying The Center Won't Hold is not a good album. It's just not. It's not even the fact that it's a departure from their original sound that bugs me, but more that the songs feel underdeveloped. Underwritten. Like they weren't thought out to the end.

It pains me how bored I was listening to a lot of these songs. It seems like they just made really bland industrial pop and didn’t think if that would fly over well with their fans.

Ruins, Love, and The Future is Here are just flat out awful. Reach Out, The Dog/The Body, and Broken are so forgettable and bland. The Center Won’t Hold, Hurry On Home, Can I Go On, Restless, and Bad Dance are the only songs I enjoy.

I'm okay with SK taking on a more direct pop sound, as I've always felt there were pop elements in their music from the beginning, but this was not the way to do it.

4/10 for The Center Won't Hold

currently trying to sell the VMP record I got of it elsewhere
 
dbarila said:
What's the link trick?
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this explains it:

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I'm really enjoying Hud Dreams. Nice album to throw on and have in the background while working. Is this how Special Herbs from MF Doom is? Sort of, I think Hud Dreems flows better from one song to the next but Special Herbs are pretty similar. You’re just not gonna get one song slamming into...
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Essentials also works, you have to dashes between each letter of UFO though:

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U.F.O.

No one knows what happened to Jim Sullivan, but there have been various rumors floated involving the mob, police foul play, and, due to his closeness to Roswell, alien abduction.
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using: essentials/vol-81-jim-sullivan-u-f-o

congrats @Sanders you got it right
 
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