Political Discussion

[Indymisanthrope]

The only way woukd be if the evidence and charged was so overwhelming that they have no choice. But maybe not even then.

I read something today about McConnell’s strategy to try and dismiss the charges quickly if it gets to the Senate. But the trial will be presided over by Chief Justice Roberts, which means they’d have to convince him the case has no merit. They also want to accomplish that as quickly as possible, but Roberts will also have to juggle his Supreme Court cases that are already on the books. So if he doesn’t dismiss, and the trial drags on, it could get to a point where it’s too politically damaging to Repub senators *not* to remove him.

Lots of ifs and buts, but Republicans seem to be preparing for the House to hold their vote by Thanksgiving.

 

[jaycee]

How many people really defect from their political gang affiliation? Sadly, people are less than willing to change their mind and in election terms that means people don't vote.

Trump may have been something different in that he tapped into an old but typically unwilling to vote part of the electorate and he actually flipped some blue voters. I don't know if that helped him win the election as much as some of the folks that were excited to vote for Obama not turning out for Hillary.

 

[Teeeee]

At this point I think the candidate that has the least amount of baggage is Mayor Pete and if he weren't gay, he might have a real chance.

I may not 100% agree with Mayor Pete on his policies but he would be a good candidate. Military veteran, moderate but can still appeal to younger voters, smart, personable.

Agreed.

Although - does he have any actual policies?

Also, I hate hate hate that the reason he won't be the candidate is because he is gay. Can you imagine inauguration weekend if he were to win? DC was already nuts for Obama's inauguration. An all weekend party. A gay president? Whhooooo boy.

 

[Twentytwo]

Agreed.

Although - does he have any actual policies?

Also, I hate hate hate that the reason he won't be the candidate is because he is gay. Can you imagine inauguration weekend if he were to win? DC was already nuts for Obama's inauguration. An all weekend party. A gay president? Whhooooo boy.

Pretty good overview of where he stands. At this point I'm good with Charlie Brown being elected as long as Trump gets gone. I'd prefer a hail mary candidate, but I will take one who moves the chains.

Where Pete Buttigieg stands on the biggest 2020 issues

Our policy team breaks down all of the presidential candidate’s proposals on the biggest issues driving the 2020 race.

www.politico.com

 

[Indymisanthrope]

Pete is running to be Biden’s VP right now.

I also don’t get why Booker isn’t doing better. He’s honestly great in the debates. But he just lacks a certain something. It’s sort of a strange phenomenon. He’d probably be a pretty good candidate in almost any other election cycle.

 

[Dtknuckles]

I’m not sure Trump will even be in the general. Actually, serious question — if he by some miracle gets removed from office via the Senate...is there anything preventing him from continuing to run for another term?

an orange jumpsuit?

 

[jaycee]

Agreed.

Although - does he have any actual policies?

Also, I hate hate hate that the reason he won't be the candidate is because he is gay. Can you imagine inauguration weekend if he were to win? DC was already nuts for Obama's inauguration. An all weekend party. A gay president? Whhooooo boy.

Right. and his history with policing and the black community is shall we say - suspect

Why South Bend's police department has become a campaign issue for Mayor Pete

"We have tried everything we can think of."

www.motherjones.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/11/weeks-after-south-bend-police-shooting-buttigieg-details-how-hed-reform-policing/

 

[Teeeee]

Pete is running to be Biden’s VP right now.

I also don’t get why Booker isn’t doing better. He’s honestly great in the debates. But he just lacks a certain something. It’s sort of a strange phenomenon. He’d probably be a pretty good candidate in almost any other election cycle.

I like Booker. And I'm also confused why he isn't doing better. What is it about him that isn't connecting with people?

 

[Captainfog]

Sadly, I think this is correct.

I WANT Warren. We'll get Biden. Which means, unless he's removed before then, Trump will get another 4 years to further destroy this country.

The only Dem candidate from the current lineup that can beat Trump is Bernie.

 

[Teeeee]

Right. and his history with policing and the black community is shall we say - suspect

Why South Bend's police department has become a campaign issue for Mayor Pete

"We have tried everything we can think of."

www.motherjones.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/11/weeks-after-south-bend-police-shooting-buttigieg-details-how-hed-reform-policing/

Yeah, this is definitely disturbing.

And Kamala has her dubious prosecution history.

 

[dbarila]

The only Dem candidate from the current lineup that can beat Trump is Bernie.

I'm a big Bernie fan. But I'm not so sure about that. His recent health issues might scare people off.

 

[jaycee]

Yeah, this is definitely disturbing.

And Kamala has her dubious prosecution history.

as does Klobuchar who really needs to just go away.

 

[LeeVing]

The only Dem candidate from the current lineup that can beat Trump is Bernie.

Maybe...but the recent heart attack isn't doing him favors.


The "old, white guy" thing doesn't work much anymore, either.

Which is why Biden doesn't look like a great candidate - and all the stuff with his son doesn't help him...whether it's a real issue or not.

 

[Twentytwo]

The only Dem candidate from the current lineup that can beat Trump is Bernie.

I like the way you think, but that truly remains to be seen. Wait till the Republicans start running the socialism commericals in the general. I am not optimistic about the intelligence of our general electorate.

 

[Captainfog]

I'm a big Bernie fan. But I'm not so sure about that. His recent health issues might scare people off.

Maybe...but the recent heart attack isn't doing him favors.


The "old, white guy" thing doesn't work much anymore, either.

Maybe that's true, but the others don't have any chance. If the Dem's want to win then they should vote for Bernie.

 

[dbarila]

I think Warren could do well against Trump in an election. The "Pocohautus" thing will only go so far. She would stay level headed in the debates and doesn't carry as much baggage as Hillary.

 

[Captainfog]

I like the way you think, but that truly remains to be seen. Wait till the Republicans start running the socialism commericals in the general. I am not optimistic about the intelligence of our general electorate.

He's always been unapologetic about that, it's already priced in. You challenge him on that and he'll talk about sticking to the billionaires. He's very good.

 

[jaycee]

but the others don't have any chance.

explain please.

 

[Indymisanthrope]

I like Booker. And I'm also confused why he isn't doing better. What is it about him that isn't connecting with people?

I've never totally bought into him, because I always thought he projected an air of naked ambition, sort of like his positions and the things he said were part of a performance for the trajectory to the presidency that he clearly thought he was on. Which is not to say that I don't think he really believes the things he says -- I'm pretty sure he does -- just that his words/actions have always seemed to operate on two pretty clear levels, to me.

I think people are also turned off by him being a bachelor. Is he still with Rosario Dawson? Weird pairing. I'd always assumed he just wasn't out. Veganism isn't a Great Uniter, either, but hey -- 2 of our last 3 presidents have been teetotalers, and we came [thisclose] to seeing a Mormon in the Oval Office, to boot.

 

[Teeeee]

I think Warren could do well against Trump is an election. The "Pocohautus" thing will only go so far. She would stay level headed in the debates and doesn't carry as much baggage as Hillary.

I really want it to be Warren. I think it would be the best for this country.

But the "There is just something I don't like about her" people will prevent her from winning.

Let me tell you what the "something people don't like about her" is. It's that she is a woman. She's a powerful and intelligent woman. That makes people uncomfortable. People need to get over that. Name it, sit with it, analyze it then get over it. Get over it now or we'll have another 4 years of this crap and I'm not sure our nation will survive. This is not directed at anyone here. Just the people *out there* in general.