Here the Analysis from Israeli data where actually more vaccinated are in zthe hospitalsso 60% of patients in hospital with severe covid in israel in the moment are fully vaxed. and here is a nice article by a statistician that shows why that does not meian the vaccines are uneffctive but rather shows how effective they still are
Israeli data: How can efficacy vs. severe disease be strong when 60% of hospitalized are vaccinated?
A surge involving the rapidly-transmitting Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries has led to much hand-wringing that the vaccines are not effective against Delta, or vaccine effectivenss wanes after 4-6 months. This has fueled anti-vaccine sentiment suggesting the vaccines are not...www.covid-datascience.com
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Mississippi teachers beg for help after more than 18,000 students catch COVID-19 in one month: 'At what point do we protect children over the economy?'
Teachers told Insider that Gov. Tate Reeves is avoiding the question of when children's health comes before the economy.
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Sebastian
It’s Wool…
AnthonyI
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My initial response was laughter, then it trickled off into nervous laughter and "...................ya, that kind of sums up the current state of so many things"
Sebastian
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I discovered that in the Nicki Minaj tweet.My initial response was laughter, then it trickled off into nervous laughter and "...................ya, that kind of sums up the current state of so many things"
Sometimes laughter is necessary.
Max Sterling
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Sebastian
It’s Wool…
I love him.
Max Sterling
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He really is hilarious. As far as internet car comedians go, he's one of the top tier.
Vaccine experts are coming out against booster shots for the general population (healthy people). This is a meta-analysis on why they decided that a booster is not needed at this time.
Current evidence does not, therefore, appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high. Even if humoral immunity appears to wane, reductions in neutralising antibody titre do not necessarily predict reductions in vaccine efficacy over time, and reductions in vaccine efficacy against mild disease do not necessarily predict reductions in the (typically higher) efficacy against severe disease. This effect could be because protection against severe disease is mediated not only by antibody responses, which might be relatively short lived for some vaccines, but also by memory responses and cell-mediated immunity, which are generally longer lived.
The ability of vaccines that present the antigens of earlier phases of the pandemic (rather than variant-specific antigens) to elicit humoral immune responses against currently circulating variants indicates that these variants have not yet evolved to the point at which they are likely to escape the memory immune responses induced by those vaccines. Even without any changes in vaccine efficacy, increasing success in delivering vaccines to large populations will inevitably lead to increasing numbers of breakthrough cases, especially if vaccination leads to behavioural changes in vaccinees.
Current evidence does not, therefore, appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high. Even if humoral immunity appears to wane, reductions in neutralising antibody titre do not necessarily predict reductions in vaccine efficacy over time, and reductions in vaccine efficacy against mild disease do not necessarily predict reductions in the (typically higher) efficacy against severe disease. This effect could be because protection against severe disease is mediated not only by antibody responses, which might be relatively short lived for some vaccines, but also by memory responses and cell-mediated immunity, which are generally longer lived.
The ability of vaccines that present the antigens of earlier phases of the pandemic (rather than variant-specific antigens) to elicit humoral immune responses against currently circulating variants indicates that these variants have not yet evolved to the point at which they are likely to escape the memory immune responses induced by those vaccines. Even without any changes in vaccine efficacy, increasing success in delivering vaccines to large populations will inevitably lead to increasing numbers of breakthrough cases, especially if vaccination leads to behavioural changes in vaccinees.
Booster shots also allow us to distract from how unbelievably selfish the west is being in not providing more vaccines to the third world. Can spin it as looking after people instead.
1000% agree.
We just need a patent waiver, but that would mean tons of money would not go to the undeserving pharmaceutical companies for taking publicly funded science and doing the simple job of applying it.
Yeah pharma companies are the absolute devil.
Djxfactor511
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I love getting DM'ed threats on Twitter for tweeting in support of mask mandates in schools and the person's Twitter account is easily traced back to the real person and their job which I hope is soon to be over.
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Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has activated the National Guard to drive school buses.
There is a huge shortage of school bus drivers nationwide right now, many of which are older and retired during the pandemic. The biggest issue with getting students back in the classroom is well, getting them there.
I read about this.
I think this is going to happen more often as older people who were able to buy houses at reasonable prices retire. Finding replacements for a job that doesn't pay more than $50K in MA is not feasible--someone would have to commute in from somewhere else. In my community, there are still reasonably priced homes, but there's no way you could secure financing unless you had a job where you were paid more. In the town over, where my parents live, house prices are astronomical and people commute from here, as well as from parts of Mississippi and extremely rural parts of Louisiana. People are driving 45 miles one way to work in a grocery store. These are "essential jobs" that are needed but due to really terrible pay and house unaffordability, most of these people cannot live in the communities where they work. Right now, you're seeing problems in MA because that's where housing has become most unaffordable.
Dtknuckles
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Aka bone carpenter. Seriously these guys don’t deal with data. They just cut things and put them back together.
Students will be students
‘We were shoulder to shoulder’: UMass students take to Townehouses Saturday afternoon in lieu of tailgate
“I understand why they wanted to cancel it, but they should have known students would find a way to do what they want.”
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A Florida chiropractor signed hundreds of mask exemption forms for students. Now, the district has tightened its mask policy
A school district in Sarasota County, Florida, has tightened its mask policy after a chiropractor signed hundreds of medical exemption forms that allowed students to opt out of wearing masks in schools, officials said.
Turbo
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I know it's just anectotal, but the current data here for the last 24 hours, with delta raging, has 202 infected with double doses, 63 with one and 572 wit none. When normalized for vaccination rates, this gives an infection rate of 2.14/100k for double, 11.00/100k for single and 18.05/100k for none. So 2 of every 31 cases per 100k is in double dosed people here, as of today.
In terms of vaccine efficiency, if I'm doing this right, this still translates to a 95% double dose efficiency of diagnosed cases, which frankly remains staggeringly great. Mind you, I'm not doing a comparison to placebo, so this is not really valid, but the numbers are pretty strong. A booster is not required yet for sure.
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