Black Lives Matter
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BazookaTooth
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yes should always be everyones answer to that question by default.
fascism is not an opinion, its a crime.
debianlinux
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Is there a separate thread I am not seeing for the Me and White Supremacy group work that starts tomorrow?
DEB! I'm adding you to the DM. I am so so so so sorry.
TenderLovingKiller®
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The best coach in all of sports for a lot of reasons...
dhodo
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Crazy how many white people on Twitter seem to be going around saying "Of course they don't really mean de-fund or abolish when they say those words. They just mean reform."
Not to say everyone who is protesting wants to de-fund or abolish police completely, but some do and it is really not a good look to speak for them by saying they don't really mean what they mean.
Not to say everyone who is protesting wants to de-fund or abolish police completely, but some do and it is really not a good look to speak for them by saying they don't really mean what they mean.
Ericj32
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Is it too late to get in on the me and white supremacy group? I have the book and read all the introductory stuff up until “day 1”.
Ethos99
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Ericj32
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Umm, sorry @Colonel_Angus for noping that song you played that one time in JQBX.
DownIsTheNewUp
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I just discovered this thread. Great convo guys. Just wanted to say that I just watched Hoop Dreams for the first time (which is kinda crazy as I’m a film and basketball junkie). It wound up being super relevant. Definitely paints a clear picture of the ways in which certain white institutions treat black black men (and their families) as disposable.
Also the two rallies I’ve been to in LA have been peaceful, communal and even sort of therapeutic. The vast majority of the crowd was also wearing masks which was good to see.
(I’m only 1/3 through reading this thread so I might add another post. I’m really curious for thoughts on Minneapolis City Counsels decision)
Snagged The End of Policing. Thanks.
As a Sociology minor back in the day (lots of Foucault + food production + studying the origins / effects of neo-con/liberalism). I've recently gotten the itch for this type of stuff but was kinda of directionless as it pertains to vital, modern reading.
Also the two rallies I’ve been to in LA have been peaceful, communal and even sort of therapeutic. The vast majority of the crowd was also wearing masks which was good to see.
(I’m only 1/3 through reading this thread so I might add another post. I’m really curious for thoughts on Minneapolis City Counsels decision)
Snagged The End of Policing. Thanks.
As a Sociology minor back in the day (lots of Foucault + food production + studying the origins / effects of neo-con/liberalism). I've recently gotten the itch for this type of stuff but was kinda of directionless as it pertains to vital, modern reading.
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DownIsTheNewUp
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Something I have yet to see mentioned is that the KKK long ago determined that there best route to relevancy was infiltrating and joining local police forces. I'd venture to say that if we knew the percentage of KKK who are also cops, it'd be very high.
Which is exactly why you see all these videos of white supremacy groups being protected and even empowered during these protests.
www.pbs.org
Oh, also...
There are allegations that LAPD arrested protestors, sorted them by gender, zip tied them to the inside of a bus, gave the women MULTIPLE cavity searches, left them inside the bus for hours on end while they pissed themselves and had panic attacks (and homeless people lost their shit), blasted them with heavy metal and then released them in the middle of the night and told them to find their way home....
The media has been very quiet about it but it has been added to the BLM lawsuit against the city.
www.nbclosangeles.com
www.dailymail.co.uk
ktla.com
Variations of this happened on multiple buses. Even ignoring all the other violence, this + the incident in Buffalo is making it harder and harder to argue it’s just a few bad apples.
I have friends with cops as family members. One of them is a really good man who helped run his department’s academy in a way that attempted to ensure bad apples didn’t make it through. The moving photos from Camden involve his department. I do not think all cops are bad men. I do think the system is largely rotten and good cops are often prevented from positions of power or meaningful reform. More importantly, I think there is zero accountability because the system is designed that way.
And the fact that there is zero accountability gives them the sense that they are above the law (and as many others have mentioned) results in a certain personality type being attracted to the job. Hell, the head of the union for LAPD basically just threatened the mayor's life with a comment along the lines of "don't forget we're the ones who guard your house while you sleep".
Which is exactly why you see all these videos of white supremacy groups being protected and even empowered during these protests.
FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed?
In 2006, the FBI warned that white supremacists infiltrating local and state law enforcement posed a threat to national security. Some are asking, what's been done to curb the trend in the decade since?
www.pbs.org
Oh, also...
There are allegations that LAPD arrested protestors, sorted them by gender, zip tied them to the inside of a bus, gave the women MULTIPLE cavity searches, left them inside the bus for hours on end while they pissed themselves and had panic attacks (and homeless people lost their shit), blasted them with heavy metal and then released them in the middle of the night and told them to find their way home....
The media has been very quiet about it but it has been added to the BLM lawsuit against the city.
Black Lives Matter Files Suit Against City, LAPD Chief Over Detained Protesters
Black Lives Matter-LA filed suit Friday in federal court against the Los Angeles Police Department and its chief, alleging the recent mass detention of more than 2,600 peaceful protesters, held handcuffed on buses without access to bathroom facilities, water or food, was a violation of rights...
www.nbclosangeles.com
USC grad details HORRIFIC arrest by LAPD cops during peaceful protest
Laura Montilla, 22, said the protesters were arrested for curfew violations on June 1. They were zip-tied with their cries for help drowned out by loud heavy metal music.
Controversial encounters between police and protesters in SoCal caught on camera
As tension on Southern California streets slowly eases following more than a week of protests over the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis, video footage capturing recent violent…
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Variations of this happened on multiple buses. Even ignoring all the other violence, this + the incident in Buffalo is making it harder and harder to argue it’s just a few bad apples.
I have friends with cops as family members. One of them is a really good man who helped run his department’s academy in a way that attempted to ensure bad apples didn’t make it through. The moving photos from Camden involve his department. I do not think all cops are bad men. I do think the system is largely rotten and good cops are often prevented from positions of power or meaningful reform. More importantly, I think there is zero accountability because the system is designed that way.
And the fact that there is zero accountability gives them the sense that they are above the law (and as many others have mentioned) results in a certain personality type being attracted to the job. Hell, the head of the union for LAPD basically just threatened the mayor's life with a comment along the lines of "don't forget we're the ones who guard your house while you sleep".
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DownIsTheNewUp
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I wound up finding the full film on youtube. Have to go to bed momentarily but I am very much enjoying it. So thank you. May send it to my parents to. My mom will enjoy it from a psychology standpoint and my while dad is an awesome human being- he is white AF. Might leave him thinking a bit.
1000%. School funding being based off property tax is such a huge part of this country's inequality. And charter schools have only made it worse. It's infuriating and helping to dumb down the entire country (intentionally).
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Selaws
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I re-watched this video today and I urge as many as people as possible to watch it. I think its the perfect encapsulation of the problem (and Piers Morgan is the perfect example of someone that has racism ingrained in his belief system). Ignoring the fact that Morgan constantly tries to bait Professor Kehinde Andrews into stating he hates the UK (seriously its embarrassing the number of times he does this) it goes to show that the hosts fully believe one good deed cancels out any other. So many times in this conversation both of the hosts, Susanna Reid & Piers Morgan, say so many inherently racist things, including suggesting the Professor should move elsewhere if he isn't happy with the racism, that its Piers Morgan's country (the Professor's response of "Its just as much my country" was swept under the rug), and that the Professor is focusing on one small thing (Churchill being racist) rather than looking at the bigger thing ('winning the war') which ironically is exactly what Morgan is doing in reverse.
For those of you that are unfamiliar with Piers Morgan, he uses shouting and attempts to drown out the guests on a regular basis as he is incapable of actually debating. He tried turning the guests genuine views into something else which he knows the general public would not like (ie you hate this country) on a regular basis. Worst of all is that, as my girlfriend pointed out, had this conversation taken place today amidst the current Black Lives Matter rally Piers would 100% be on the side of Professor Kehinde Andrews, as he ultimately wants to be seen as the voice of the people (he very much is not.....at least I really hope so).
For those of you that are unfamiliar with Piers Morgan, he uses shouting and attempts to drown out the guests on a regular basis as he is incapable of actually debating. He tried turning the guests genuine views into something else which he knows the general public would not like (ie you hate this country) on a regular basis. Worst of all is that, as my girlfriend pointed out, had this conversation taken place today amidst the current Black Lives Matter rally Piers would 100% be on the side of Professor Kehinde Andrews, as he ultimately wants to be seen as the voice of the people (he very much is not.....at least I really hope so).
Hes a nasty repugnant troll. How he managed to rehabilitate himself after being sacked as the editor of the mirror when they published faked photos of soldiers abusing prisoners I’ll never know.
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Selaws
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I agree, he should be locked up.
MikeH
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We went to the Defund The Police march yesterday in Brooklyn that started at McCarren Park. There must have been thousands of people there protesting without incident. There was a very loud chant of “quit your job” at the cops as we went under an overpass which was filled with cops on the sidewalks. There were police helicopters overhead which was of course a gigantic waste of money.
Came home and we started watching Wyatt Cenac’s Problem Areas on HBO. The first season is all about policing and has been pretty eye opening so far as well. I’d recommend watching it for those of you who haven’t seen it yet.
Came home and we started watching Wyatt Cenac’s Problem Areas on HBO. The first season is all about policing and has been pretty eye opening so far as well. I’d recommend watching it for those of you who haven’t seen it yet.
Selaws
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As anticipated....Morgan is now all for 'heroes' with racist pasts to be named and shamed
Indymisanthrope
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Do cities like Minneapolis have a plan for what to do with the current cops once the department has been dismantled? I have basically two trains of thought about this:
1. Seems like mass layoffs of people working in the public sector could be economically destabilizing, even if it's deserved. I'm assuming pensions will be grandfathered in, so a lot of these guys will continue to be on the dole for quite some time, but only once they reach retirement. For some that might be soon, but for many, "ex-cop" may start looking pretty unattractive on a resume. What's the next best career for a police officer? What might some of the worst of them gravitate toward so that they can recreate the fraternity? What industry do we need to keep an eye on next to ensure this kind of corruption doesn't bleed through? What will prevent our 'bad apples' from being re-hired into different public capacities so that the racism is still in the system, just more diffuse (and presumably without the authorized use of force, which is huge)?
2. Further to the above, isn't taking a group of hyper-protective, vindictive, violent people like this, and suddenly putting them out of work, an extremely dangerous thing to do? How do we keep these people, whose numbers already contain plenty of overt racists, from further radicalizing once their identities as representatives of the state have been removed? If you cut off state sponsorship of a gang, do you need to worry about that gang retaliating? I'm just taking a guess here, but I would imagine that even if police were defunded nationwide, we'd see a sustained spike in stories of ex-cops killing people extra-judicially for quite some time. Easier to prosecute, maybe (assuming the ripple effect of defunding policing doesn't cripple prosecutors offices in the short term), but still devastating in terms of loss of life. It'd be a real irony if the defunding of police is the thing that ends up leading to gun control measures gaining more popularity, although the opposite will likely happen, this being America. I think I fear that we may trade police for an even more heavily armed citizenry.
None of those are reasons not to do it, and I assume people have already given this some thought, it's just a concept that I'm still wrapping my brain around.
1. Seems like mass layoffs of people working in the public sector could be economically destabilizing, even if it's deserved. I'm assuming pensions will be grandfathered in, so a lot of these guys will continue to be on the dole for quite some time, but only once they reach retirement. For some that might be soon, but for many, "ex-cop" may start looking pretty unattractive on a resume. What's the next best career for a police officer? What might some of the worst of them gravitate toward so that they can recreate the fraternity? What industry do we need to keep an eye on next to ensure this kind of corruption doesn't bleed through? What will prevent our 'bad apples' from being re-hired into different public capacities so that the racism is still in the system, just more diffuse (and presumably without the authorized use of force, which is huge)?
2. Further to the above, isn't taking a group of hyper-protective, vindictive, violent people like this, and suddenly putting them out of work, an extremely dangerous thing to do? How do we keep these people, whose numbers already contain plenty of overt racists, from further radicalizing once their identities as representatives of the state have been removed? If you cut off state sponsorship of a gang, do you need to worry about that gang retaliating? I'm just taking a guess here, but I would imagine that even if police were defunded nationwide, we'd see a sustained spike in stories of ex-cops killing people extra-judicially for quite some time. Easier to prosecute, maybe (assuming the ripple effect of defunding policing doesn't cripple prosecutors offices in the short term), but still devastating in terms of loss of life. It'd be a real irony if the defunding of police is the thing that ends up leading to gun control measures gaining more popularity, although the opposite will likely happen, this being America. I think I fear that we may trade police for an even more heavily armed citizenry.
None of those are reasons not to do it, and I assume people have already given this some thought, it's just a concept that I'm still wrapping my brain around.
MikeH
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I’ve been thinking about this as well and started reading The End of Policing last night to try to better understand those questions.
It’s worth noting that Camden, NJ disbanded their police department and overall it seems o have had a positive effect.
defunding the police isn’t a cure for racism or violence. But it’s a start. It’s insane the amount of money that the US invests into policing and with training programs like “killology” and the funding for military grade equipment, it’s no wonder why police feel empowered to do what they do. There is literally no reason for police departments to spend that kind of money especially when other services that could help prevent some of the root causes of crime are getting less and less money each year.
My wife and I attended a peaceful protest for BLM in our town yesterday. I'm not good at estimating crowds but I'd guess several hundred people in attendance. I was hoping there would be a speaker, but it was mostly marching up and down Main Street and other surrounding streets, through the park and fountain in the center of the city. The police blocked off intersections so the marchers could cross the main streets around town. We all knelt at City Hall for awhile as well. It was all very peaceful while I was there. I've lived in this town off and on my whole life, I was proud of my town and glad I went.