Definitive Audiophile pressings

Hi Guys, as you may have seen, this release (Floating Points/Pharoah Sanders/LCO is blowing my mind in many different ways. I been listening to the streaming since Friday, and slept on this one far too long. I have a normal vinyl coming this week.

My question is when this release makes it to repress (hopefully soon) would you think the 180G version would be a good upgrade for a few bucks more when available again or is the normal version just fine ? (I know some of you have the VMP as Mike has said. Fremer mentions both versions available in his review when suggesting the vinyl is the way to go over streaming but not the benefit of the 180G variant. I will pass on the Indie Exclusive marble version. Tx and cheers, Jim

@MikeH @Selaws
Jim, the weight matters very little. Quality of pressing does. Black vinyl is better than colored and a lighter weight black vinyl is preferable, to me anyways, over colored 180g.

Tonight I just happen to be in the mood for EW&F I Am, first US pressing, thin as paper - sounds great.

That Floating Points/Sanders is 100% digital. The original master is 24/44. I know it may be heresy, but I often prefer the original hi-res digital master over vinyl, particularly if the music suits a very quiet background.

Now, on many modern digital recordings, there is a digital hi-res vinyl master file, and a separate digital hi-res file for CD, streaming, etc. - and usually there is a huge difference between the two. The digital master for vinyl will be uncompressed, or at least minimally compressed as suits the music. The digital master for digital production is usually (but not always) heavily compressed for the ear buds streaming crowd.

So, if there is an uncompressed digital master, it may be preferable. If there is not, or I really love the album, vinyl is it.
 
180 gram doesn't matter shit, as long as it's the same master/ pressing plant they should sound the same, I have the 180 original press and it sounds great . There must have been a recent repress as I'm seeing copied available down here a week or 2 ago .
Hi Guys, as you may have seen, this release (Floating Points/Pharoah Sanders/LCO is blowing my mind in many different ways. I been listening to the streaming since Friday, and slept on this one far too long. I have a normal vinyl coming this week.

My question is when this release makes it to repress (hopefully soon) would you think the 180G version would be a good upgrade for a few bucks more when available again or is the normal version just fine ? (I know some of you have the VMP as Mike has said. Fremer mentions both versions available in his review when suggesting the vinyl is the way to go over streaming but not the benefit of the 180G variant. I will pass on the Indie Exclusive marble version. Tx and cheers, Jim

@MikeH @Selaws
 
Hi Guys, as you may have seen, this release (Floating Points/Pharoah Sanders/LCO is blowing my mind in many different ways. I been listening to the streaming since Friday, and slept on this one far too long. I have a normal vinyl coming this week.

My question is when this release makes it to repress (hopefully soon) would you think the 180G version would be a good upgrade for a few bucks more when available again or is the normal version just fine ? (I know some of you have the VMP as Mike has said. Fremer mentions both versions available in his review when suggesting the vinyl is the way to go over streaming but not the benefit of the 180G variant. I will pass on the Indie Exclusive marble version. Tx and cheers, Jim

@MikeH @Selaws
I have the 180 gram version. I picked it up during the initial pressing back in the Spring. It sounds great to me. It’s cut by CB pressed at Pallas. So that is what I would expect.

That being said I am not sure what the deal is with later pressings but this comment was left by the label on the Discogs page…

Hey all, this is Yale from Luaka Bop. I thought, as there is a lot of discussion here about the pressing quality situation on Promises, that I would try to explain why some things haven't worked out. We are very saddened and sorry to hear that some have received records that are not up to the standard they should be.

Up until now, we used two pressing plants in the world, Pallas in Germany and RTi in California. They are both top tier plants, and I think among the best at pressing vinyl records anywhere.

On some days they did their usual great job and in other days unfortunately they didn't, and often you can trace these bad ones. If you got a good pressing, it's because they did what they should have and I think usually do. If you didn't it's because the specter of Covid, (75% of RTi got Covid at the same time at one point), a shortage of vinyl, a crush of orders for pressing plants everywhere, (turning normal few months turnaround into six months) and the whole chaos of what 2020 and 2021 turned into.

It is now early October, 2021 that I am writing this and we have actually done 7 different pressings throughout this year, as we kept switching out other records we had in the pressing que to press more Promises. There were a few issues with some of the 180’s having flash that was trimmed off the lps falling into the sleeves and getting pressed into a few of the records. But it wasn’t until this last set of pressings that all hell seemed to loosened upon us in terms of warped pressings (mostly U.S. ones, plastic sleeve, from RTi - plus they forgot to put in the inserts!) And noisy pressings (plastic lined paper sleeve mostly from Pallas). I just want to say that I sincerely apologize if your pressing is anything short of what it should be. We are trying one more plant in Europe and hope they will be more consistent.

Let me just add, up till now all 180’s, no matter where you order from were done at Pallas. We will not make more 180’s at this point but we do have enough to satisfy demand till the end of the year.

About the noisy pressings Pallas had this to say:

Good morning everybody,

“I forwarded this claim to Pallas and they appologize for the inconviences. After investigation they found out by checking their product samples that a pressing tool contained a scratch at the end of side B. Depending from record player used this could be audible. They checked the record on three different players and with one of them the issue occured. According them about 50 records could be affected, reason for this estimation is, that the record pressed before this certain one does not show this issue and 50 records later the pressing tool was exchanged.

They offer to press 50 records for free with the next run of this record to cover this.”


That sounds messy. I applaud the label being forthright about the issues but you have to wonder if you pick up a newly pressed copy whether it’s gonna have issue or not.
 
Jim, the weight matters very little. Quality of pressing does. Black vinyl is better than colored and a lighter weight black vinyl is preferable, to me anyways, over colored 180g.

Tonight I just happen to be in the mood for EW&F I Am, first US pressing, thin as paper - sounds great.

That Floating Points/Sanders is 100% digital. The original master is 24/44. I know it may be heresy, but I often prefer the original hi-res digital master over vinyl, particularly if the music suits a very quiet background.

Now, on many modern digital recordings, there is a digital hi-res vinyl master file, and a separate digital hi-res file for CD, streaming, etc. - and usually there is a huge difference between the two. The digital master for vinyl will be uncompressed, or at least minimally compressed as suits the music. The digital master for digital production is usually (but not always) heavily compressed for the ear buds streaming crowd.

So, if there is an uncompressed digital master, it may be preferable. If there is not, or I really love the album, vinyl is it.
Cheers Robert and everyone, I'm sure I will be happy with the streaming (which has sounded fine to me), FLAC, and regular vinyl.

Sam Sheppard is certainly not a fan of hi res
 
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I have the 180 gram version. I picked it up during the initial pressing back in the Spring. It sounds great to me. It’s cut by CB pressed at Pallas. So that is what I would expect.

That being said I am not sure what the deal is with later pressings but this comment was left by the label on the Discogs page…

Hey all, this is Yale from Luaka Bop. I thought, as there is a lot of discussion here about the pressing quality situation on Promises, that I would try to explain why some things haven't worked out. We are very saddened and sorry to hear that some have received records that are not up to the standard they should be.

Up until now, we used two pressing plants in the world, Pallas in Germany and RTi in California. They are both top tier plants, and I think among the best at pressing vinyl records anywhere.

On some days they did their usual great job and in other days unfortunately they didn't, and often you can trace these bad ones. If you got a good pressing, it's because they did what they should have and I think usually do. If you didn't it's because the specter of Covid, (75% of RTi got Covid at the same time at one point), a shortage of vinyl, a crush of orders for pressing plants everywhere, (turning normal few months turnaround into six months) and the whole chaos of what 2020 and 2021 turned into.

It is now early October, 2021 that I am writing this and we have actually done 7 different pressings throughout this year, as we kept switching out other records we had in the pressing que to press more Promises. There were a few issues with some of the 180’s having flash that was trimmed off the lps falling into the sleeves and getting pressed into a few of the records. But it wasn’t until this last set of pressings that all hell seemed to loosened upon us in terms of warped pressings (mostly U.S. ones, plastic sleeve, from RTi - plus they forgot to put in the inserts!) And noisy pressings (plastic lined paper sleeve mostly from Pallas). I just want to say that I sincerely apologize if your pressing is anything short of what it should be. We are trying one more plant in Europe and hope they will be more consistent.

Let me just add, up till now all 180’s, no matter where you order from were done at Pallas. We will not make more 180’s at this point but we do have enough to satisfy demand till the end of the year.

About the noisy pressings Pallas had this to say:

Good morning everybody,

“I forwarded this claim to Pallas and they appologize for the inconviences. After investigation they found out by checking their product samples that a pressing tool contained a scratch at the end of side B. Depending from record player used this could be audible. They checked the record on three different players and with one of them the issue occured. According them about 50 records could be affected, reason for this estimation is, that the record pressed before this certain one does not show this issue and 50 records later the pressing tool was exchanged.

They offer to press 50 records for free with the next run of this record to cover this.”


That sounds messy. I applaud the label being forthright about the issues but you have to wonder if you pick up a newly pressed copy whether it’s gonna have issue or not.
Thanks for this. I will stay far away from these.
 
I heard they were having some problems, I think @Edd stopped using them due to similar issues...
Not me directly but some labels I've been working with. Quality issues from pressing plant are absolutly not a legend, but you already have experienced it as a customer.

A famous reissue jazz label I've been working with switched from Pallas to Optimal. Unfortunatly, last TP we received last week for one of our future ROTM is real shit. 1,5 inches of dead wax, so a too tight groove then a skipping record. Back to square one... and with the delay, I dont' know if I could have it in times.

This month ROTM, a very cool reggae dance hall records, hase been pressed by MPO France. TP were perfect. Customers experienced a bit more warp records than usual. :(

I must say that I'm not disapointed at all with GZ Media. I know a lot of people here are not happy with their pressing. They don't know how audiophile pressing are made, but for casual records (99% of my collectio, 80% or more of my ROTM), I've never had any big issues with them/
 
I have the 180 gram version. I picked it up during the initial pressing back in the Spring. It sounds great to me. It’s cut by CB pressed at Pallas. So that is what I would expect.

That being said I am not sure what the deal is with later pressings but this comment was left by the label on the Discogs page…

Hey all, this is Yale from Luaka Bop. I thought, as there is a lot of discussion here about the pressing quality situation on Promises, that I would try to explain why some things haven't worked out. We are very saddened and sorry to hear that some have received records that are not up to the standard they should be.

Up until now, we used two pressing plants in the world, Pallas in Germany and RTi in California. They are both top tier plants, and I think among the best at pressing vinyl records anywhere.

On some days they did their usual great job and in other days unfortunately they didn't, and often you can trace these bad ones. If you got a good pressing, it's because they did what they should have and I think usually do. If you didn't it's because the specter of Covid, (75% of RTi got Covid at the same time at one point), a shortage of vinyl, a crush of orders for pressing plants everywhere, (turning normal few months turnaround into six months) and the whole chaos of what 2020 and 2021 turned into.

It is now early October, 2021 that I am writing this and we have actually done 7 different pressings throughout this year, as we kept switching out other records we had in the pressing que to press more Promises. There were a few issues with some of the 180’s having flash that was trimmed off the lps falling into the sleeves and getting pressed into a few of the records. But it wasn’t until this last set of pressings that all hell seemed to loosened upon us in terms of warped pressings (mostly U.S. ones, plastic sleeve, from RTi - plus they forgot to put in the inserts!) And noisy pressings (plastic lined paper sleeve mostly from Pallas). I just want to say that I sincerely apologize if your pressing is anything short of what it should be. We are trying one more plant in Europe and hope they will be more consistent.

Let me just add, up till now all 180’s, no matter where you order from were done at Pallas. We will not make more 180’s at this point but we do have enough to satisfy demand till the end of the year.

About the noisy pressings Pallas had this to say:

Good morning everybody,

“I forwarded this claim to Pallas and they appologize for the inconviences. After investigation they found out by checking their product samples that a pressing tool contained a scratch at the end of side B. Depending from record player used this could be audible. They checked the record on three different players and with one of them the issue occured. According them about 50 records could be affected, reason for this estimation is, that the record pressed before this certain one does not show this issue and 50 records later the pressing tool was exchanged.

They offer to press 50 records for free with the next run of this record to cover this.”


That sounds messy. I applaud the label being forthright about the issues but you have to wonder if you pick up a newly pressed copy whether it’s gonna have issue or not.

I think this is an awesome response. we really need to encourage this sort off behaviour. I hope they don't see a drop in purchases as a result
 
Cheers Robert and everyone, I'm sure I will be happy with the streaming (which has sounded fine to me), FLAC, and regular vinyl.

Sam Sheppard is certainly not a fan of hi res
LOL. Sam also says he can hear no difference between tape and digital. He says that although 96k sounds a bit better to him, whatever laptop he is using crashes.

Electronic guys have a hard time with hires digital. Their digital synths range from 16 bit to 24 bit, and usually top out at 44kHz. So when they are recording at 96k, they actually top out at the lowest link in the chain - 16 bit - erasing most of the resolution of hires. Add to that their issues with synching all that stuff and I can se it is a PITA.
 
Looking for recs for a good press of The Cars - Candy-O

Candidates that I’m pondering based on Discogs comments: 1979 US presses by Pitman (it’s a Club release) or 1979 Specialty Records; 1979 Canada (CBS Records); 2017 Rhino (Ryan K Smith; Optimal, but no info on digital or analog source).

Also — 1979 Germany, no reviews on Discogs, but bc I’ve read here and elsewhere that German quality vinyl was good, but I have no experience with German vinyl or any info about this specific album.

There’s a Mofi silver, but it’s pricey and I’m worried about a too-bright, V-shaped sound
 
Looking for recs for a good press of The Cars - Candy-O

Candidates that I’m pondering based on Discogs comments: 1979 US presses by Pitman (it’s a Club release) or 1979 Specialty Records; 1979 Canada (CBS Records); 2017 Rhino (Ryan K Smith; Optimal, but no info on digital or analog source).

Also — 1979 Germany, no reviews on Discogs, but bc I’ve read here and elsewhere that German quality vinyl was good, but I have no experience with German vinyl or any info about this specific album.

There’s a Mofi silver, but it’s pricey and I’m worried about a too-bright, V-shaped sound

I have the Rhino and I think it's pretty good. Shouldn't be too expensive either. I'd guess it's a digital source. I ended getting all of those Rhinos when they came out and they're all decent records.

I haven't heard the MOFI Candy-O, but I'm pretty sure it's not a silver label - it's a full Gain 2 "Original Master Recording" and there should be a repress as far as I can tell

I do have the S/T MOFI (that's an "Original Master Recording" although the color of the band is silver) and it's very good even if it doesn't wow me. It's probably as good as it can sound.
 
Looking for recs for a good press of The Cars - Candy-O

Candidates that I’m pondering based on Discogs comments: 1979 US presses by Pitman (it’s a Club release) or 1979 Specialty Records; 1979 Canada (CBS Records); 2017 Rhino (Ryan K Smith; Optimal, but no info on digital or analog source).

Also — 1979 Germany, no reviews on Discogs, but bc I’ve read here and elsewhere that German quality vinyl was good, but I have no experience with German vinyl or any info about this specific album.

There’s a Mofi silver, but it’s pricey and I’m worried about a too-bright, V-shaped sound

Why do you feel the mofi would be bright? I don’t have a lot of mofi’s but none of them are bright.
 
Why do you feel the mofi would be bright? I don’t have a lot of mofi’s but none of them are bright.
Same here. The smiley EQ on MoFis thing is mostly a myth that people on Hoffman forums have said in the past. And even then, it’s people who mostly say that was an issue for the 80’s MoFis. Candy-o was released in 2011 by MoFi.

I don’t have that specific MoFi release so can’t comment on how it sounds vs an OG but if the worry about it being bright is based on that rumor about MoFis, then I wouldn’t be too concerned with that.
 
Same here. The smiley EQ on MoFis thing is mostly a myth that people on Hoffman forums have said in the past. And even then, it’s people who mostly say that was an issue for the 80’s MoFis. Candy-o was released in 2011 by MoFi.

I don’t have that specific MoFi release so can’t comment on how it sounds vs an OG but if the worry about it being bright is based on that rumor about MoFis, then I wouldn’t be too concerned with that.
Hoffman perpetuated that myth because he wanted to maintain his own myth, of being the grand mastering guru.

I have the MOFI Candy-O, it is fabulous, as expected.
 
Looking for recs for a good press of The Cars - Candy-O

Candidates that I’m pondering based on Discogs comments: 1979 US presses by Pitman (it’s a Club release) or 1979 Specialty Records; 1979 Canada (CBS Records); 2017 Rhino (Ryan K Smith; Optimal, but no info on digital or analog source).

Also — 1979 Germany, no reviews on Discogs, but bc I’ve read here and elsewhere that German quality vinyl was good, but I have no experience with German vinyl or any info about this specific album.

There’s a Mofi silver, but it’s pricey and I’m worried about a too-bright, V-shaped sound
My 1979 US Specialty pressing sounds quite nice. But I love this album so much that I preordered the MoFi, waiting for a repress.
 
Anyone have insight on the comparison on Blind Melon’s “Soup” - MOV vs Analog Spark?

I couldn’t find info on the MOV sourcing but seems to have good reviews overall.
 
Anyone have insight on the comparison on Blind Melon’s “Soup” - MOV vs Analog Spark?

I couldn’t find info on the MOV sourcing but seems to have good reviews overall.

I've heard the Analog Spark is the one to get. Kevin Gray, AAA I think too (analog spark usually is if possible). Top notch quality label. MOV you can always bet on to be a solid DMM mastering and pressing, but never elite/best of the best.
 
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