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RenegadeMonster said:
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Judge orders Cinci hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with Ivermectin, despite CDC warnings • Ohio Capital Journal

A Butler County judge ruled in favor of a woman last week who sought to force a hospital to administer Ivermectin — an animal dewormer that federal regulators have warned against using in COVID-19 patients — to her husband after several weeks in the ICU with the disease. Butler County Common...
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What precedent allows a judge to force a doctor to administer a treatment they deem unsafe? This seems like utter nonsense...


And when the man has complications from horse dewormer, or dies... Is the Judge then responsible for malpractice?
 
Max Sterling said:
What precedent allows a judge to force a doctor to administer a treatment they deem unsafe? This seems like utter nonsense...


And when the man has complications from horse dewormer, or dies... Is the Judge then responsible for malpractice?
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Sounds like from the article, it was another doc (snake oil salesman) who prescribed the dewormer and the judge stepped in to make sure the primary doc/hospital administered it. So I think this would be a sticky situation on who would be liable for a resulting death, the prescriber or the guy pushing the plunger on the syringe.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
One of the things I have heard people grumble about is that Covid is not nearly as bad as the 1918 - 1920 spanish flu which killed more than 50 million people world wide.

Well let's not dismiss Covid is bing not as bad just because there aren't as many deaths. The reason there aren't as many deaths from Covid is because we are better prepared to handle pandemics now than we were 100 years ago.

Masking was not widely known or used worldwide back then and we didn't know how to manage the spread. Hospitals did not have ICU that could handle the sick or put them on ventilators. Not to mention there were not vaccines or treatment options. If you were hospitalized back then you were pretty much just placed on a hospital bed and your survival was "left up to god".

If Covid happened 100 years ago it would have been just as bad. And if the Spanish Flu happened today it wouldn't have nearly been as bad.

So let's not compare apples to oranges and say I'm not worried about covid because "it's not that bad".
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"man I wish COVID were worse, it only killed 4.5million people in a little over a year, since when did humanity get so weak, we need better plagues, just don't make them like they used to"
 
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More on how Florida changed their daily reporting of deaths. With the way Florida is reporting deaths now it will always appear like we are on a downward trajectory. Instead of reporting deaths the day they are confirmed, Florida is reporting them the date of the actual death. It takes time for the death certificates to be issued.

So the past week always looks like it has had fewer deaths than the week before and that we are in a downward trend. And these are the numbers being reported to the CDC.

Florida, then quietly adds the deaths then the deaths certificates come in on the date of the actual death. Creating a spike or upward trend in previous weeks data that once appeared to be on a downward trend.

This change is deceiving and was likely meant to make things look better than they actually are. Most people looking at the data don't notice the change in previous weeks numbers and the downward trend still looks the same week to week.
 
RenegadeMonster said:

More on how Florida changed their daily reporting of deaths. With the way Florida is reporting deaths now it will always appear like we are on a downward trajectory. Instead of reporting deaths the day they are confirmed, Florida is reporting them the date of the actual death. It takes time for the death certificates to be issued.

So the past week always looks like it has had fewer deaths than the week before and that we are in a downward trend. And these are the numbers being reported to the CDC.

Florida, then quietly adds the deaths then the deaths certificates come in on the date of the actual death. Creating a spike or upward trend in previous weeks data that once appeared to be on a downward trend.

This change is deceiving and was likely meant to make things look better than they actually are. Most people looking at the data don't notice the change in previous weeks numbers and the downward trend still looks the same week to week.
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yeah they're being sued to release daily stats instead of weekly averages
 
We’re finally coming out of covid restrictions. Things will unwind from 20th of this month and everything, bar masks in shops/public transport, will be gone on 22nd October. So it looks like I’ll be back in the office on 25th October! Weird.
 
i mean.

hitler's dead. he doesn't want anything.

but.

When hitler was alive, what he wanted was a unified germany. admittedly he had very specific ideas as to what counted as "german". but he wasn't like "and you guys over there, you can't come here". it was more about the "and you guys don't count because you don't exist anymore"
 
In the news this morning reported by NBC is most major corporations have now delayed return to the office to January or later due to delta with one notable exception, the financial industry.

Much of Wall Street moved forward with return to the office on September 1st. The financial industry tends to be more conservative than other industries and is usually among the last industry to adapt new working practices.

Wall Street is very much "We are not a work from home company, we want you back in the office and we expect you to be back in the office."

Day two of return to the office for Wall Street in NYC was a no go this morning due to Ida. NYC is under a flash flood emergency. Subways are closed after flooding, streets are flooded and closed. I-95 is a parking lot because no one can get off the highway due to all the road closures.

People are physically unable to get into the office this morning in NYC.
 
On my Instagram feed I saw a post this morning from a 20 year old college student. Return to campus for the first time in a year and a half was just a week ago for her. This morning she posted "First week back and I'm already heading back home with covid after 1 frat party."

I imagine there will be a lot of this as kids return to college. All that pent up need to party. And party without masks. Covid is likely to run rampant at college parties.
 
dbarila said:
My daughter's school announced they are going to Universal Masking and people are throwing a shit fit. When did people start putting so much effort into making sure their child isn't safe? The human race is screwed.
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About 10 years ago I thought America as we know it might last another 50-75 years based on current trends at the time, afraid to say since 2016 I think that was an overly optimistic estimate. Unless we regulate internet to keep from untruths being spread all the time, get fiscally responsible, and raise taxes to fix our deficit I think the great experiment will end. America is just a complete shit show at this time.
 
Quebec has been publishing rolling data on vaccine effectiveness.

It's normalized for age and rolling over the last 28 days.

This are the numbers for today, in case anyone thinks vaccines don't work with delta:

Compared to a person that is double dose vaccinated, the risk of infection is 8.8x greater if you're not vaccinated and 4.2x if you're single dosed. The risk of hospitalization is 25.7x if you're not vaccinated and 4.1x if you have a single dose.

One caveat is that the gap between the doses was 2-4 months early on - this may actually be advantageous right now because this course seems to produce better antibody titers. Most people got mRNA vaccines and several got AZ + mRNA mixed course (like me and many others in the 45-60 age group).


Today's datasheet where I got this:
 
The lady whose dog I walk has a son who's a doctor - orthapedic surgeon, I believe - who's been telling her that vaccines straight up don't work and has recommended taking vitamin C and zinc instead. And all the other nonsense - came from a lab in North Carolina etc. And meanwhile she was on the phone with a nephew today who HAS IT and went to a motorcycle store in a beach town since he has the time of work, likening it to a “superflu”and saying “that antiviral they were trying to get me to take is way worse than the virus itself.”

And she's going to Florida in a couple weeks to help a homeless relative on disability.

Like, I don't know what to say. I get that it's not entirely my responsibility but I can't help but think I'd feel that I didn't do enough if she gets it and I feel useless when she tries to start the conversation because I keep shut as I don't expect myself to not been snide about it, which isn't helpful.
 
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