Pre-Order Thread

This isn’t aimed at artists. We all want them to earn a fair crust. I don’t buy that they receive significantly more from a major label for a super shiny edition than they do a standard and this shit has been going on since long before COVID. It’s the industry exploiting a fans want for a thing.

It's not just major labels doing super shiny editions. A lot of artist self publish now. Decemberist, Gillian Welch, Sturgill Simpson have all released live, reimagined, lost songs from the archive recently.

Just adding theres more to the story than the greedy music industry.

Edit: and don't think when you see "only available at the artist website" that they aren't getting a special chunk of that release. 😉
 
I mean they would die if we didn’t buy them BUT we don’t manufacture scarcity or create FOMO situations, even if we can be guilty of feeding them.
Agreed, but once that ball starts rolling it's not like the "majority" of us have the strength to say no.
 
It's not just major labels doing super shiny editions. A lot of artist self publish now. Decemberist, Gillian Welch, Sturgill Simpson have all released live, reimagined, lost songs from the archive recently.

Just adding theres more to the story than the greedy music industry.
Well, I think what's happening with a lot of artists and maybe more as time goes by, is just that, why the hell should I let the label make all the money? I can't remember who the artist was, but he was pressing his own albums and charging out the ass for it because it was going to be a limited run and he felt his "art" was worth it. Not to mention, he saw what flipper prices were and decided that this was the way to combat it.

I don't know, I think there's enough blame to go around. I like the "shinny" versions when I can get them at launch, if the aftermarket isn't 10x the cost I might even still try and pick it up, but honestly, if I miss out on the LE's, I'm ok with it as long as they release a standard black version. I mean, just recently with McCartney III, I logged into his shop and was in the process of checking out with the Red version and it sold out during check out, so I started looking around for what else was available in the "limited" variety, and they started popping up everywhere, to which I said, fuck it, and just picked up the standard black off his site.
 
Agreed, but once that ball starts rolling it's not like the "majority" of us have the strength to say no.

Should we have to? Should we have to say nah I don’t want this?

It's not just major labels doing super shiny editions. A lot of artist self publish now. Decemberist, Gillian Welch, Sturgill Simpson have all released live, reimagined, lost songs from the archive recently.

Just adding theres more to the story than the greedy music industry.

Edit: and don't think when you see "only available at the artist website" that they aren't getting a special chunk of that release. 😉

Perhaps, perhaps there are also better ways to garner sympathy and support from your fans, who are also going through shit with COVID, than joining the shitty gravy train.

Well, I think what's happening with a lot of artists and maybe more as time goes by, is just that, why the hell should I let the label make all the money? I can't remember who the artist was, but he was pressing his own albums and charging out the ass for it because it was going to be a limited run and he felt his "art" was worth it. Not to mention, he saw what flipper prices were and decided that this was the way to combat it.

I don't know, I think there's enough blame to go around. I like the "shinny" versions when I can get them at launch, if the aftermarket isn't 10x the cost I might even still try and pick it up, but honestly, if I miss out on the LE's, I'm ok with it as long as they release a standard black version. I mean, just recently with McCartney III, I logged into his shop and was in the process of checking out with the Red version and it sold out during check out, so I started looking around for what else was available in the "limited" variety, and they started popping up everywhere, to which I said, fuck it, and just picked up the standard black off his site.

That guy isn’t an artist, he’s an exploitative fucking scumbag.

I bought McCartney on CD, his voice is fucked, he’s not worth vinyl money, never mind limited vinyl money. He can still throw a tune together so I would like to hear.
 
Perhaps, perhaps there are also better ways to garner sympathy and support from your fans, who are also going through shit with COVID, than joining the shitty gravy train.

I'm sure someone is doing the right thing or will soon, but how else can they replace touring dollars? I certainly can't gofundme every artist that is not touring

Maybe what The Avett brothers are doing with their speedway concerts?
 
I'm sure someone is doing the right thing or will soon, but how else can they replace touring dollars? I certainly can't gofundme every artist that is not touring

Maybe what The Avett brothers are doing with their speedway concerts?

Nor should you be expected to. Also supporting artists where possible is hugely important right now, I think we’ve seen so much kindness from normal people during all of this that it almost makes up for do of the sociopathic behaviour of our governments.

That said do they expect that the coffee shop workers, the chefs, the retail business workers and owners, whomever else, all of whom have all seen their business and jobs ravaged, make up for their shortfall in touring income by paying exorbitant prices for special releases?

This is a difficult situation and the kindness of strangers has helped and will continue to help. It is not the answer though and it shouldn’t be exploited.
 
Should we have to? Should we have to say nah I don’t want this?



Perhaps, perhaps there are also better ways to garner sympathy and support from your fans, who are also going through shit with COVID, than joining the shitty gravy train.



That guy isn’t an artist, he’s an exploitative fucking scumbag.

I bought McCartney on CD, his voice is fucked, he’s not worth vinyl money, never mind limited vinyl money. He can still throw a tune together so I would like to hear.
@Joe Mac, have you had your coffee this morning ;)
 
Its 2pm. Is anything I’m saying wrong?
No, nothing your saying is wrong, but it's a discussion and now poor Paul is only worthy of a CD purchase, lol. It's all opinions, this is the VMP "discussions" all over again. I get it, but who is doing what for what reason doesn't matter, we all have our own choice to make and we can blame the "dealer" all we want, WE make the purchase and keep coming back for more, that's all I'm saying.
 
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I mean, let's take the "usual suspects" out of the equation, the "contrived scarcity" pressings, 500 melt your face spatter versions, lol. Let's talk about MoFi, AS, Blue Note, why aren't they pressing some of their stuff in larger quantities so I don't have to spend $75 on a Chet Baker Tone Poet pressing? I mean, wouldn't selling more make them more money? And yet, for one reason or another, they limit the pressing to something.
 
I mean, let's take the "usual suspects" out of the equation, the "contrived scarcity" pressings, 500 melt your face spatter versions, lol. Let's talk about MoFi, AS, Blue Note, why aren't they pressing some of their stuff in larger quantities so I don't have to spend $75 on a Chet Baker Tone Poet pressing? I mean, wouldn't selling more make them more money? And yet, for one reason or another, they limit the pressing to something.
In the long run, no, I do not think it would make them more money. Keeping something in print costs money. It's warehouse space plus shelf space for record stores, etc. That doesn't even include the whole customer retainment side of it. Music Matters gets away with what it does because of the records being high quality and limited, plain and simple. They raise their prices as inventory gets low, which makes people experience FOMO and purchase them despite the shitty price hiking. This isn't something unique to vinyl at all. Look at something like streetwear/sneakers. Places like Supreme make things in very limited quantities, making them more collectible and giving the purchaser some kind of street cred/clout. It happens with vinyl too--limited records, especially when there is not really a comparable release quality-wise, are desirable, so people are willing to pay more for it. I know I'm guilty of spending too much on some records because I simply wanted a high quality version of it. The MM thing is interesting because ultimately, Blue Note realized they don't need a third party to do high quality releases. The Tone Poet quality is nearly identical to Music Matters (same team of Joe and Kevin behind them), but their MSRP is $35 (and I don't think I have paid more than $25 for any of them) while MM's starting price is $35 and goes up to as high as $80 or $90 when they get low in stock.

Just think about the logistics--doing one pressing of 1,000 copies or whatever of an album is quicker and cheaper than constantly repressing. The net costs in the long-run probably won't be ALL that different if you press less at a higher margin and then you're done with it. Plus you have the added bonus of FOMO + people seeing that one album sold out quickly so you better buy this other one as soon as it comes out.

Don't really understand your point on Chet Baker...that wasn't limited quantities at all. They have simply run out of printed copies and it hasn't gotten a repress. AFAIK, all the Tone Poets are on an unlimited run more or less.
 
The BN75 series was the smartest business decision that Blue Note has ever made. Super cheap pressings of jazz classics to introduce a whole new generation into jazz. They were cheap enough that people aren't afraid to double-dip and buy a better pressing of it later on. Even though a lot of the pressings weren't good in the US, it still got a lot of people hooked on Blue Note. And then with BN80 and Tone Poets, you have people paying a higher price point (but still pretty fair) for a higher quality product. Music Matters was great until they got jealous of flipper prices and took it out on the consumer AND record stores.
 
I'm sure someone is doing the right thing or will soon, but how else can they replace touring dollars? I certainly can't gofundme every artist that is not touring

Maybe what The Avett brothers are doing with their speedway concerts?

They can livestream shows for their fans. I’ve done this for Glass Animals and Joseph in recent weeks. You buy a ticket and log in and watch the show and there’s a fun chat feature to chat with the other fans and express your excitement or whatever. The Joseph shows (3 of them) were actually pre-recorded so the band members were also in the chat answering questions and talking about how they recorded it. It was really fun and memorable.

I have tickets to see Embrace this Saturday (I assume Joe hates them, haha). I also have tickets for an icelandic music festival coming up in november and a Bjork show (“with 15-piece chamber ensemble”) in January.
 
They can livestream shows for their fans. I’ve done this for Glass Animals and Joseph in recent weeks. You buy a ticket and log in and watch the show and there’s a fun chat feature to chat with the other fans and express your excitement or whatever. The Joseph shows (3 of them) were actually pre-recorded so the band members were also in the chat answering questions and talking about how they recorded it. It was really fun and memorable.

I have tickets to see Embrace this Saturday (I assume Joe hates them, haha). I also have tickets for an icelandic music festival coming up in november and a Bjork show (“with 15-piece chamber ensemble”) in January.
I'm happy to support artists and have purchased probably way too much stuff for things like bandcamp fridays. For some reason, the whole livestream concert thing doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I love seeing live music.
 
No, nothing your saying is wrong, but it's a discussion and now poor Paul is only worthy of a CD purchase, lol. It's all opinions, this is the VMP "discussions" all over again. I get it, but who is doing what for what reason doesn't matter, we all have our own choice to make and we can blame the "dealer" all we want, WE make the purchase and keep coming back for more, that's all I'm saying.

Yeah I’m sorry not so much with you there. Also Paul is many things “poor” is never going to be one of them
 
They can livestream shows for their fans. I’ve done this for Glass Animals and Joseph in recent weeks. You buy a ticket and log in and watch the show and there’s a fun chat feature to chat with the other fans and express your excitement or whatever. The Joseph shows (3 of them) were actually pre-recorded so the band members were also in the chat answering questions and talking about how they recorded it. It was really fun and memorable.

I have tickets to see Embrace this Saturday (I assume Joe hates them, haha). I also have tickets for an icelandic music festival coming up in november and a Bjork show (“with 15-piece chamber ensemble”) in January.

I don’t hate embrace, don’t love them either, they’re just standard mid 00s landfill indie that I’d stand at the back of a festival set with a pint in my hand and nod my head to without it being either hateful or epic.
 
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I'm happy to support artists and have purchased probably way too much stuff for things like bandcamp fridays. For some reason, the whole livestream concert thing doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I love seeing live music.

I wasn’t sure what to expect but I had way more fun than I thought I would. Both of the bands I saw performed new and unreleased material. Glass Animals in particular found cool ways to take advantage of the fact that they could use whatever special effects and camera angles they wanted to since the audience wasn’t just standing in front of them - they had a whole set built with props and both the backdrop and the floor underneath them were screens with crazy images. They’re also only like $10-15ish so still much cheaper than a live in-person show.
 
In the long run, no, I do not think it would make them more money. Keeping something in print costs money. It's warehouse space plus shelf space for record stores, etc. That doesn't even include the whole customer retainment side of it. Music Matters gets away with what it does because of the records being high quality and limited, plain and simple. They raise their prices as inventory gets low, which makes people experience FOMO and purchase them despite the shitty price hiking. This isn't something unique to vinyl at all. Look at something like streetwear/sneakers. Places like Supreme make things in very limited quantities, making them more collectible and giving the purchaser some kind of street cred/clout. It happens with vinyl too--limited records, especially when there is not really a comparable release quality-wise, are desirable, so people are willing to pay more for it. I know I'm guilty of spending too much on some records because I simply wanted a high quality version of it. The MM thing is interesting because ultimately, Blue Note realized they don't need a third party to do high quality releases. The Tone Poet quality is nearly identical to Music Matters (same team of Joe and Kevin behind them), but their MSRP is $35 (and I don't think I have paid more than $25 for any of them) while MM's starting price is $35 and goes up to as high as $80 or $90 when they get low in stock.

Just think about the logistics--doing one pressing of 1,000 copies or whatever of an album is quicker and cheaper than constantly repressing. The net costs in the long-run probably won't be ALL that different if you press less at a higher margin and then you're done with it. Plus you have the added bonus of FOMO + people seeing that one album sold out quickly so you better buy this other one as soon as it comes out.

Don't really understand your point on Chet Baker...that wasn't limited quantities at all. They have simply run out of printed copies and it hasn't gotten a repress. AFAIK, all the Tone Poets are on an unlimited run more or less.
Isn't the Chet Baker a repress/COVID issue - i.e. if but for COVID, it would have been repressed by now. I remember the same thing happening with Wayne Shorter's Etc. and one or two others right at the beginning of the series.
 
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