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[Selaws]

My Jan VMP finally shipped. It's 10 records in one shipment. Looks like the ultimate test to UK customs for VMP. I'll keep you updated on it

Mine is a big box on route as well.

I remember the days when VMP sold non-exclusive records and extras as well. I had a pair of Kanto YU6 speakers that were in a huggge box which they valued at a couple of dollars to pass customs.

 

[Andy]

So I managed to find some communication from Fedex on the VAT changes.

https://www.fedex.com/content/dam/fedex/eu-europe/brexit/vat/FedEx_Brexit_VAT_Changes_EN.pdf

I don't see how they can make any additional charges of the order (less tax & shipping) is less than £135. I've pinged Scott Nangle to cancel an outstanding item from October & placed an order with Music Direct. Let's see if I get charged anything extra by Fedex

 

[Selaws]

I popped a question over on the Discogs thread with no luck so far. Might be more suited to some of you guys:

I have a question for you UK/EU folk. I have a buyer interested in a record for £55 plus postage. The issue is that he is asking if he will face import fees as I am sending it from the UK to Europe. I have seen something online to say that business items over £135 will have a fee, but then also that gifts worth more than £39 will have a fee.

 

[Andy]

I popped a question over on the Discogs thread with no luck so far. Might be more suited to some of you guys:

I have a question for you UK/EU folk. I have a buyer interested in a record for £55 plus postage. The issue is that he is asking if he will face import fees as I am sending it from the UK to Europe. I have seen something online to say that business items over £135 will have a fee, but then also that gifts worth more than £39 will have a fee.

I think it depends on which country you are sending it to

 

[Selaws]

I think it depends on which country you are sending it to

Ah ok cheers, I sent the potential buyer a message asking just that. Will pop back here when I get a response.

 

[Andy]

Ah ok cheers, I sent the potential buyer a message asking just that. Will pop back here when I get a response.

Looking at it, it seems a bit fucked. Sounds like nobody has worked out what the charges should be, the (UK) Post Office doesn't Know yet. I did hear early in the year about people just not being able to post anything to the EU & even people from Northern Ireland not being able to post to Britain. I don't know if anything has changed.

Might be worth posting in the European & Irish community threads

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210111/extra-charges-refused-orders-and-returned-packages-the-brexit-effect-on-mail-between-france-and-the-uk

 

[Selaws]

Looking at it, it seems a bit fucked. Sounds like nobody has worked out what the charges should be, the (UK) Post Office doesn't Know yet. I did hear early in the year about people just not being able to post anything to the EU & even people from Northern Ireland not being able to post to Britain. I don't know if anything has changed.

Might be worth posting in the European & Irish community threads

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210111/extra-charges-refused-orders-and-returned-packages-the-brexit-effect-on-mail-between-france-and-the-uk

Its a complete mess. I went to the post office a few weeks back and you are right, they weren't posting anything at all to the EU. I then went a week later and it was back to normal.

As luck would have it my girlfriend has to post something tomorrow so I will get her to ask and see if Royal Mail knows. If not then its back to the drawing board.

 

[Joe Mac]

Its a complete mess. I went to the post office a few weeks back and you are right, they weren't posting anything at all to the EU. I then went a week later and it was back to normal.

As luck would have it my girlfriend has to post something tomorrow so I will get her to ask and see if Royal Mail knows. If not then its back to the drawing board.

If it’s going to the EU anything over £20 will attract VAT on the item and the shipping amount in the country it arrives in. Over £135 it will attract a customs fee on top of VAT. This VAT and customs fees are entirely the importers responsibility though, it’s nothing to do with you, from your side you have to declare the true value to protect you from a claim If it’s lost/damaged in the post.

That said if you’re posting to Ireland let’s just say that An Post are so mentally busy that I’ve not been charged customs on anything since COVID began regardless of what has been declared on the package...

 

[Andy]

If it’s going to the EU anything over £20 will attract VAT on the item and the shipping amount in the country it arrives in. Over £135 it will attract a customs fee on top of VAT. This VAT and customs fees are entirely the importers responsibility though, it’s nothing to do with you, from your side you have to declare the true value to protect you from a claim If it’s lost/damaged in the post.

That said if you’re posting to Ireland let’s just say that An Post are so mentally busy that I’ve not been charged customs on anything since COVID began regardless of what has been declared on the package...

Are those the new rules, or has it changed with Brexit? It's weird as that looks like what it was for importing to the UK pre-brexit, but with a £15 limit before attracting VAT instead of £20. It's changed for getting any goods into the UK.

Getting goods into the UK now, for purchases, they have gotten rid of the lower threshold, so VAT is chargeable on any amount. If it's below £135 the VAT must be charged at the point of sale, so will not be collected coming in to the country. Over £135 VAT & Customs charges operate in the same way as pre-brexit. For gifts, I'm not entirely sure, the £39 Vat exception limit is still in place (I think), but I don really know what happens if it's over £39, probably payable by the recipient as it was pre-brexit.

 

[Joe Mac]

Are those the new rules, or has it changed with Brexit? It's weird as that looks like what it was for importing to the UK pre-brexit, but with a £15 limit before attracting VAT instead of £20. It's changed for getting any goods into the UK.

Getting goods into the UK now, for purchases, they have gotten rid of the lower threshold, so VAT is chargeable on any amount. If it's below £135 the VAT must be charged at the point of sale, so will not be collected coming in to the country. Over £135 VAT & Customs charges operate in the same way as pre-brexit. For gifts, I'm not entirely sure, the £39 Vat exception limit is still in place (I think), but I don really know what happens if it's over £39, probably payable by the recipient as it was pre-brexit.

They are the same, that’s the EU import rules. The U.K. used to be bound by them. Just obviously before 1 Jan U.K. was inside the EU so if another EU country bought from the U.K. the buyer paid U.K. VAT and because within the customs union no other charges. I don’t know about £15 though, the EU set number is €22 which is £20.

It’s all changing on 1 July though, that limit is going and VAT is due on all parcels into the EU of all prices but the customs is going up a little bit.

 

[Thackeraye]

There's a thread on it here. Not really read much of it, but I think it has folk who have experience in post 1 January ebay/Discogs sales.

Whole thing is a mess to be honest. I never really bought much from the EU in the past, and I'm even less likely to do it now. It will be interesting to see if a rethink is required by the Government post Covid...

VAT on 2nd hand EU purchases

I have often bought from sellers across Europe. But my understanding is that now any purchases (even 2nd hand) made from 1 Jan will be subject to VAT @ 20%. In addition import charges will also apply. Any experts care to comment if this true. Cheers Ian

www.hifiwigwam.com

 

[Joe Mac]

There's a thread on it here. Not really read much of it, but I think it has folk who have experience in post 1 January ebay/Discogs sales.

Whole thing is a mess to be honest. I never really bought much from the EU in the past, and I'm even less likely to do it now. It will be interesting to see if a rethink is required by the Government post Covid...

VAT on 2nd hand EU purchases

I have often bought from sellers across Europe. But my understanding is that now any purchases (even 2nd hand) made from 1 Jan will be subject to VAT @ 20%. In addition import charges will also apply. Any experts care to comment if this true. Cheers Ian

www.hifiwigwam.com

It has the potential to affect me hugely. I’ve bought large amounts from the U.K. in the past and that’s likely going to have to change. Most U.K. record stores don’t seem to have been able yet to sell without VAT as they should to us and so you end up paying it twice. It’s not been an issue yet because local post is so overworked with COVID that customs seems to be being bypassed but once it starts being charged it’ll make me think twice. Kinda sad there’s good stores that I’ve been to that are just not going to get anything from me unless I happen to be over there and buy in person.

 

[Thackeraye]

It has the potential to affect me hugely. I’ve bought large amounts from the U.K. in the past and that’s likely going to have to change. Most U.K. record stores don’t seem to have been able yet to sell without VAT as they should to us and so you end up paying it twice. It’s not been an issue yet because local post is so overworked with COVID that customs seems to be being bypassed but once it starts being charged it’ll make me think twice. Kinda sad there’s good stores that I’ve been to that are just not going to get anything from me unless I happen to be over there and buy in person.

Is there anything that stops you (post Covid) setting up a PO Box in NI and getting a train up there to collect stuff and avoid all this?

The whole thing is exactly what happens when a Government pissfarts about and leaves things to the last minute, as well as one that has no clue about what it's doing and the consequences of its decisions.

 

[Joe Mac]

Is there anything that stops you (post Covid) setting up a PO Box in NI and getting a train up there to collect stuff and avoid all this?

The whole thing is exactly what happens when a Government pissfarts about and leaves things to the last minute, as well as one that has no clue about what it's doing and the consequences of its decisions.

The difficulty is that the North has a completely different arrangement with the EU to Great Britain. They’re still in the customs Union, but not in the EU, so as not to violate the Good Friday agreement. There is an effective customs border down the Irish Sea. The North is in a very isolated position to be honest. Yet another example of how much of a mess this whole process is.

It’s going to take a lot of time confusion mistakes and court cases before any of us really understand our way out of that mess, it’s just all up in the air.

 

[Thackeraye]

The difficulty is that the North has a completely different arrangement with the EU to Great Britain. They’re still in the customs Union, but not in the EU, so as not to violate the Good Friday agreement. There is an effective customs border down the Irish Sea. The North is in a very isolated position to be honest. Yet another example of how much of a mess this whole process is.

It’s going to take a lot of time confusion mistakes and court cases before any of us really understand our way out of that mess, it’s just all up in the air.

Yeah, the whole thing is bonkers. Yet another reason to leave!

 

[Gavaxeman]

The difficulty is that the North has a completely different arrangement with the EU to Great Britain. They’re still in the customs Union, but not in the EU, so as not to violate the Good Friday agreement. There is an effective customs border down the Irish Sea. The North is in a very isolated position to be honest. Yet another example of how much of a mess this whole process is.

It’s going to take a lot of time confusion mistakes and court cases before any of us really understand our way out of that mess, it’s just all up in the air.

And the covid vaccine war has started now ....article 16.....

Just when you thought the world couldn’t get any more fecked up

 

[Joe Mac]

And the covid vaccine war has started now ....article 16.....

Just when you thought the world couldn’t get any more fecked up

For a change it’s the EU that’s acting the maggot this time. So far out of order it’s not funny.

 

[Rowan]

And the covid vaccine war has started now ....article 16.....

Just when you thought the world couldn’t get any more fecked up

I know. Its like the EU sat there and thought... 'how can we best enable the heed the balls in Britain who think the union is a terrible idea... I know....'.

This is going to be shit isn't it.

 

[Joe Mac]

I know. Its like the EU sat there and thought... 'how can we best enable the heed the balls in Britain who think the union is a terrible idea... I know....'.

This is going to be shit isn't it.

Never to mind that after 4 years of “we won’t accept a hard border in Ireland” and after less than one month the absolute ****s go and create it themselves.

Edit: ooooh we censors here, I’ve never seen that before.

 

[Gavaxeman]

I know. Its like the EU sat there and thought... 'how can we best enable the heed the balls in Britain who think the union is a terrible idea... I know....'.

This is going to be shit isn't it.

I think the EU have been outflanked by the U.K. with pre ordered vaccines ..and are embarrassed..this is the retaliation...so we had one benefit of being independent... now the payback !

Should have come here for pre ordering tips ...