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I can’t see how one can get precise alignment with this headshell. My fingers are crossed for you.
I drill mine out (using the existing holes) so normal hardware can be used to mount up the cartridge and also only use them with conicals where alignment is not that critical. They do have a different sound than the Technics headshells. My first encounter with them was in the early 90s at WWUH where they used SP10 Mk2s, Stanton 681SE cartridges on the AT headshell and the AT arm that was used frequently in broadcast. (forgive me for not knowing the model, it was their simple, sturdy, heavy-duty arm, it worked fine.)
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If anybody wants to add their Technics set-ups to the first post, please post in this thread or send me a PM...

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EDITED 2021-02-28: Post edited to update invitation, now that everyone that was tagged is added to the first post!
Finally replaced the Grado Gold 2 to the Grado Gold 3
 

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And? Do you hear the difference?

I updated the first post - how does it sound?


I want to say yes but I don't really know how much is just me knowing it's a new cartridge vs a real difference.
I played my Music Matters pressing of Dexter Gordon's Go and now I'm listening to Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (2018 reissue).
My initial impression is that there's more clarity, more definition to the instruments.

Edit: I definitely like it.
 
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I want to say yes but I don't really know how much is just me knowing it's a new cartridge vs a real difference.
I played my Music Matters pressing of Dexter Gordon's Go and now I'm listening to Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (2018 reissue).
My initial impression is that there's more clarity, more definition to the instruments.

Edit: I definitely like it.
Clarity and definition. That’s a good description of what I hear.
 

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Ok, so now I'm listening to Led Zeppelin IV.
Yes, I'm very happy with this upgrade.
I'm always afraid of using the wrong terms to describe these things, this album sounds more immersive (as in it feels almost like I'm amidst the instruments) with the new cartridge.
 

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I'm always afraid of using the wrong terms to describe these things, this album sounds more immersive
It's part of the fun of trying to describe a feeling. I like the word "open" as that quality is one of the big ones that separates the men from the boys in terms of final sound. As one steps through different levels of gear you move into full frequency range, then nice wide separation, then good dynamics and impact and at the end is openness. Transducers gain openness by controlling time domain behavior (cabinet resonances, driver suspensions, capacitor DA, phono cartridge cantilever and body resonances, tonearm resonances and bearing noise, etc.) Electronics gain openness with big power supplies, low dynamic noise, etc. As a system gains openness, the sound of its components disappears, It's my holy grail.
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Just ordered an AT Mg10 headshell to try out. I've only the stock technics so its a fairly low cost experiment. Any other recommendations? Is lower weight better?

Just saw this. How did you get on with the MG10?

When I upgraded my cart to an AT, I considered the MG10 but ended up getting a Yamamoto Head shell. I only set the new cart up with the new head shell so cannot compare to the stock one, but it does sound pretty great & tbh I think it just looks pretty cool.

One thing to note, is that due to the combined weight of the cart + head shell I had to add the extra (screw in) weight at the back of the tone arm. This works fine, but I think you do have to be a little careful with weight to make sure it is within tolerance for the arm. There were a few head shells that I looked at that that would been near to or outside of the tolerance for the arm.

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Just saw this. How did you get on with the MG10?

When I upgraded my cart to an AT, I considered the MG10 but ended up getting a Yamamoto Head shell. I only set the new cart up with the new head shell so cannot compare to the stock one, but it does sound pretty great & tbh I think it just looks pretty cool.

One thing to note, is that due to the combined weight of the cart + head shell I had to add the extra (screw in) weight at the back of the tone arm. This works fine, but I think you do have to be a little careful with weight to make sure it is within tolerance for the arm. There were a few head shells that I looked at that that would been near to or outside of the tolerance for the arm.

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Wow, wow! How do you like that headshell? Did it change the tone noticeably? And did you lose any front to back depth vs metal? Pat
 

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Wow, wow! How do you like that headshell? Did it change the tone noticeably? And did you lose any front to back depth vs metal? Pat

I don't really know what change it has to the sound as I haven't used the cart with another headshell & the cart is very different to the Ngaoaka that I had previously. Much more detailed. I'm not sure that there is a lot of front to back back depth, but that might be partly down to my too set-up. I need to spend more time with set-up, but just get drawn into listening to records.
 

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Just saw this. How did you get on with the MG10?

When I upgraded my cart to an AT, I considered the MG10 but ended up getting a Yamamoto Head shell. I only set the new cart up with the new head shell so cannot compare to the stock one, but it does sound pretty great & tbh I think it just looks pretty cool.

One thing to note, is that due to the combined weight of the cart + head shell I had to add the extra (screw in) weight at the back of the tone arm. This works fine, but I think you do have to be a little careful with weight to make sure it is within tolerance for the arm. There were a few head shells that I looked at that that would been near to or outside of the tolerance for the arm.

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I looked at the HS-4.... repeatedly but at the end of the day I just couldn't justify £100 for a headshell. One day though!

The AT seems great. If I'm honest I'm not sure there is massive amounts of difference between that and the technics other than it being an absolute doddle to set up. I used the Geodisk too so none of the underhang issue I'd read about. For £25 quid it's a bargain.

How do you like the 750? I'm tempted to get a stylus to switch up with the 40ML every now and then
 

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I looked at the HS-4.... repeatedly but at the end of the day I just couldn't justify £100 for a headshell. One day though!

The AT seems great. If I'm honest I'm not sure there is massive amounts of difference between that and the technics other than it being an absolute doddle to set up. I used the Geodisk too so none of the underhang issue I'd read about. For £25 quid it's a bargain.

How do you like the 750? I'm tempted to get a stylus to switch up with the 40ML every now and then

I think I paid a lot less than £100, but it was a bit extravagant. I always liked the look of the wooden ones & that just seemed to match the cart so well.

A doddle to set up is definitely worth money.

The 750 is pretty great, it's a big improvement on the Nag Mp110, that I had previously. It does however have it's issues, which I think might be common to Shibata styli. It seems to pick up the the slightest bit of dirt or defects on records. You need to spend more time cleaning records :) Another side effect, is I think it's pushed me into purchasing more audiophile vinyl.

I'm tempted to try the micro line stylus (the one below in the range), as a lot of people like it and apparently it's more forgiving but I also hear it doesn't have the same bass.

Is the Geodisk worth it, compared to one of the printed cards?Does it help with the set-up?
 

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I think I paid a lot less than £100, but it was a bit extravagant. I always liked the look of the wooden ones & that just seemed to match the cart so well.

A doddle to set up is definitely worth money.

The 750 is pretty great, it's a big improvement on the Nag Mp110, that I had previously. It does however have it's issues, which I think might be common to Shibata styli. It seems to pick up the the slightest bit of dirt or defects on records. You need to spend more time cleaning records :) Another side effect, is I think it's pushed me into purchasing more audiophile vinyl.

I'm tempted to try the micro line stylus (the one below in the range), as a lot of people like it and apparently it's more forgiving but I also hear it doesn't have the same bass.

Is the Geodisk worth it, compared to one of the printed cards?Does it help with the set-up?
That’s what I have (the 40ml). It’s definitely not forgiving though. And I think it’s pushed me to where I’m actively buying less records as any issues seem amplified. But good records sound immense.

the geoduck is great. Much better than the card (not least for resolving issues around printing scales).
 

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That’s what I have (the 40ml). It’s definitely not forgiving though. And I think it’s pushed me to where I’m actively buying less records as any issues seem amplified. But good records sound immense.

the geoduck is great. Much better than the card (not least for resolving issues around printing scales).

I'll have to get me a GeoDuck then. Gotta love auto correct :ROFLMAO:

It sounds like a very similar experience then, mine sounds awesome when the vinyl is good. But can be frustrating, especially with new records. I'll probably get a Geoduck & re-visit the set-up next month, see if it improves anything.
 

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That’s what I have (the 40ml). It’s definitely not forgiving though. And I think it’s pushed me to where I’m actively buying less records as any issues seem amplified. But good records sound immense.

the geoduck is great. Much better than the card (not least for resolving issues around printing scales).

Not that I'd get one, but I dread to think how the 760SLC (Special Line Contact) stylus behaves. On the AT website where it describes the different stylus types, it says:

"It should be noted that due to its high-fidelity, the line contact stylus may produce more noise on heavily worn records. The line contact tip is used on our higher-end cartridges."

I reckon about 1 in 10 of my records would be listenable with that stylus, if they need to call this out on their marketing material
 

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Not that I'd get one, but I dread to think how the 760SLC (Special Line Contact) stylus behaves. On the AT website where it describes the different stylus types, it says:

"It should be noted that due to its high-fidelity, the line contact stylus may produce more noise on heavily worn records. The line contact tip is used on our higher-end cartridges."

I reckon about 1 in 10 of my records would be listenable with that stylus, if they need to call this out on their marketing material
I could have picked one up recently for about 200. Amazon occasionally puts the stylus up mega cheap but I was the same. If the 40 and 50 are unforgiving then it must be nuts.

but yes. Big fan of the geoduck.
 

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Not that I'd get one, but I dread to think how the 760SLC (Special Line Contact) stylus behaves. On the AT website where it describes the different stylus types, it says:

"It should be noted that due to its high-fidelity, the line contact stylus may produce more noise on heavily worn records. The line contact tip is used on our higher-end cartridges."

I reckon about 1 in 10 of my records would be listenable with that stylus, if they need to call this out on their marketing material
as owner of a line contact cartridge...forgiving it is not.
 
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