Political Discussion

[Twentytwo]

Uh oh, time to start selling off my record collection and paying off my debt.

Dow drops 800 points, marking worst day for stock market this year

Global economy data apparently triggered drop in Dow Jones Industrial Average.

abcnews.go.com

US 30-year bond yield falls to record low, threatens to break below 2%

The benchmark 30-year Treasury bond yield plunges to a record low as a global hunt for safe assets threatened to send the rate below 2%.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Djxfactor511]

Uh oh, time to start selling off my record collection and paying off my debt.

Dow drops 800 points, marking worst day for stock market this year

Global economy data apparently triggered drop in Dow Jones Industrial Average.

abcnews.go.com

US 30-year bond yield falls to record low, threatens to break below 2%

The benchmark 30-year Treasury bond yield plunges to a record low as a global hunt for safe assets threatened to send the rate below 2%.

www.cnbc.com

2017-18 Trump Supporters: Look how amazing the economy is doing! Trump rules!

Me: This is mostly still because of Obama Era economic policies

Trump: *terrible economic policies, trade wars, CHINA*

Economy: *dies*

2019 Trump Supporters: The President does not impact the economy!! Liberal Roadblocks!! OBAMA/CLINTON!

Me: *Facedesk*

 

[Dtknuckles]

Uh oh, time to start selling off my record collection and paying off my debt.

Dow drops 800 points, marking worst day for stock market this year

Global economy data apparently triggered drop in Dow Jones Industrial Average.

abcnews.go.com

US 30-year bond yield falls to record low, threatens to break below 2%

The benchmark 30-year Treasury bond yield plunges to a record low as a global hunt for safe assets threatened to send the rate below 2%.

www.cnbc.com

I'm not saying they are wrong, but I find a lot of reports on economic indicators to be hyperbolic. We will see though.

 

[Twentytwo]

I'm not saying they are wrong, but I find a lot of reports on economic indicators to be hyperbolic. We will see though.

It is about time to repeat the cycle of the last 40 years. Republican destroy economy, democrats come into to clean up the Republicans shit.

 

[Dtknuckles]

It is about time to repeat the cycle of the last 40 years. Republican destroy economy, democrats come into to clean up the Republicans shit.

I've heard this before and it certainly seems to the pattern in my lifetime, but I wonder how much that holds up under more than just the typical pop analysis. I honestly haven't read anything that points one way or the other more than just a meme or someone repeating that pattern.

 

[Twentytwo]

I've heard this before and it certainly seems to the pattern in my lifetime, but I wonder how much that holds up under more than just the typical pop analysis. I honestly haven't read anything that points one way or the other more than just a meme or someone repeating that pattern.

I don’t have any statistical analysis, all I know is the last four recessions started under Republican presidents.

 

[Sonicpharmacist]

Funny story, when I was in high school I had a couple long guns behind the seat of my truck. Lots of other guys did too. I even recall the principal admiring a newly acquired rifle of a student in the parking lot one day. Nobody ever got shot or felt fear that such a thing would happen. I’m not sure if there were any guys who didn’t carry a pocket knife.

With experiences like that it is hard to convince me that guns are actually the problem.

Maybe this will help.

I’ve covered gun violence for years. The solutions aren’t a big mystery.

America can prevent shootings. But it has to come to grips with the problem.

www.vox.com

 

[Chucktshoes]

Maybe this will help.

I’ve covered gun violence for years. The solutions aren’t a big mystery.

America can prevent shootings. But it has to come to grips with the problem.

www.vox.com

Vox isn’t a legitimate news site. They’re Breitbart for the lefties.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

What’s changed?

The more prominent presence of the internet, mostly.

 

[Chucktshoes]

The more prominent presence of the internet, mostly.

This is something that we absolutely agree on. I really do think that in the not too distant future we will come to view the way in which we currently interact with the internet in much the same way we viewed smoking prior to January of 1964.

The internet has provided wonderful things, but I’m just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[Sonicpharmacist]

Vox isn’t a legitimate news site. They’re Breitbart for the lefties.

Maybe try arguing their points instead of proclaiming “fake news”.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

This is something that we absolutely agree on. I really do think that in the not too distant future we will come to view the way in which we currently interact with the internet in much the same way we viewed smoking prior to January of 1964.

The internet has provided wonderful things, but I’m just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

Agreed. There's so much information to process nowadays. Our interactions with people are no longer limited to face to face or phone calls where you talk to the person you meant to call and nothing more. Previously you had to pick up a newspaper to get offended by a stranger. Even then the arguments were much more thought out.

And we are now living in a world with whole generations that truly don't understand each other because the gap was increased so much due to the internet, this invisible void that, when put in the wrong hands, can be used for evil.

The sad part is, many of those politicians are part of that gap, so they reach for the closest tangible thing: guns. And I don't blame them, because how do you cure something like the internet? It's scary as hell, and the greatest minds won't be able to figure it out for years, until we look back on this through a different lens, like you said.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Funny story, when I was in high school I had a couple long guns behind the seat of my truck. Lots of other guys did too. I even recall the principal admiring a newly acquired rifle of a student in the parking lot one day. Nobody ever got shot or felt fear that such a thing would happen. I’m not sure if there were any guys who didn’t carry a pocket knife.

With experiences like that it is hard to convince me that guns are actually the problem.

The argument that you are making, guns don’t kill people, people don’t kill people is a red herring. People who advocate for gun control do not think that. What they do believe is that common sense gun laws can mitigate the damage guns can to society.

 

[Chucktshoes]

Maybe try arguing their points instead of proclaiming “fake news”.

Maybe you should try using folks other than partisan hacks who repeat lies like “70% of guns in Mexico come from the US” to support your positions.

-Edited to add-

In the modern era of click driven media, journalistic standards have gone by the wayside in favor of choir preaching and partisan hackery. It’s reached a point where most “news” is 90 percent bullshit designed to keep the emotions high so folks stay engaged and increasing ad impressions. I hold sites like Vox and Breitbart in the same contempt. They don’t give anyone anything close to a semblance of truth, they just tickle ears by telling folks what they want to hear so that they can feel righteous and know that the folks on the other team are wrong.

There’s nothing of value to be gained there.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Maybe you should try using folks other than partisan hacks who repeat lies like “70% of guns in Mexico come from the US” to support your positions.

-Edited to add-

In the modern era of click driven media, journalistic standards have gone by the wayside in favor of choir preaching and partisan hackery. It’s reached a point where most “news” is 90 percent bullshit designed to keep the emotions high so folks stay engaged and increasing ad impressions. I hold sites like Vox and Breitbart in the same contempt. They don’t give anyone anything close to a semblance of truth, they just tickle ears by telling folks what they want to hear so that they can feel righteous and know that the folks on the other team are wrong.

There’s nothing of value to be gained there.

So where do the gun in Mexico come from? How is that factually inaccurate?

I just looked on Wikipedia and the number of arms manufacturers that are American companies dwarfs the others. I know that arms is a very broad category, but...

 

[Dtknuckles]

The more prominent presence of the internet, mostly.

Like I said about the economy stuff a little ways back. How do we even begin to prove that?

The whole back in the day argument doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Even if we could some now measure that, how the hell could we reverse engineer society a whole society to make guns ownership safer?

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

Like I said about the economy stuff a little ways back. How do we even begin to prove that?

The whole back in the day argument doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Even if we could some now measure that, how the hell could we reverse engineer society a whole society to make guns ownership safer?

You can't, but we really need to put all the cards on the table for a more accurate analysis. Because if we're talking about mass shootings since Columbine 20(!) years ago, not much headway has been made. It's only gotten worse. Is that because of an increase in access to guns, an increase in media's coverage of these tragedies, political parties getting in eachother's way or something else entirely?

For the record, I don't own nor have ever shot a gun (besides skeet once).

 

[Chucktshoes]

So where do the gun in Mexico come from? How is that factually inaccurate?

That figure comes from the number of guns submitted to the US government by Mexico for tracing, not the entire number of guns seized in crimes in Mexico. The Mexican government only submits guns to the ATF for tracing that have markings on them that indicate they possibly originated in the US. Of those submitted for eTrace, 70% +/- are positively traced to the US. The vast majority of the guns seized are never submitted to for tracing because the markings indicate they originated with Mexico’s police, armed forces or from other various points of origin. The actual number of seized guns that are positively identified as having a US origin is around 12%.

The “Iron Pipeline” isn’t real, but it sounds real good to folks already inclined to believe in it.

 

[Dtknuckles]

You can't, but we really need to put all the cards on the table for a more accurate analysis. Because if we're talking about mass shootings since Columbine 20(!) years ago, not much headway has been made. It's only gotten worse. Is that because of an increase in access to guns, an increase in media's coverage of these tragedies, political parties getting in eachother's way or something else entirely?

For the record, I don't own nor have ever shot a gun (besides skeet once).

The whole intervention would require a massively coordinated study where both of the sides of the debate acted in good faith. Yea I don’t see that happening.

Yea maybe it’s a mental health issue. Than maybe don’t sit on your thumbs when it’s time do something. Limit their access to weaponry.

Also I don’t limit the danger that guns pose to just mass shootings. The chance that you will get killed in one is very small even in America. There is just plain old murder, accidents, and one of the biggest categories suicide. All of these drop dramatically when access is limited in society.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

The whole intervention would require a massively coordinated study where both of the sides of the debate acted in good faith. Yea I don’t see that happening.

Yea maybe it’s a mental health issue. Than maybe don’t sit on your thumbs when it’s time do something. Limit their access to weaponry.

Also I don’t limit the danger that guns pose to just mass shootings. The chance that you will get killed in one is very small even in America. There is just plain old murder, accidents, and one of the biggest categories suicide. All of these drop dramatically when access is limited in society.

Yeah, and when it feels like neither side wants to give an inch, it's a frustrating thing to experience in the present.