Political Discussion

[BjorgenFjorgen]

She has spent all of her recent energy at the debates completely demolishing Bloomberg. Not sure how that is "punching left".

You also said that Biden winning was worse than Trump winning so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

There is more campaign than just the debates. Calling Sanders out for "never getting anything done" while standing on the right side of history almost every time over the last 30 years while she was continuing to support the war in Yemen, among a million other things, is punching left.

My Biden-Trump argument is obviously more complex than "Biden is worse than Trump" but if you also would like to ignore that in bad faith, then be my guest!

 

[Dtknuckles]

She has spent all of her recent energy at the debates completely demolishing Bloomberg. Not sure how that is "punching left".

You also said that Biden winning was worse than Trump winning so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

Whoa...who let Mike Tyson in here. Is that an ear in your mouth?!?!

 

[Phaneronic]

Question: Do we think Warren is intentionally spoilong Bernie, and if so, is it just because she thinks he slighted her, or am I missing something?

I'd like Warren to be president, I just don't think she'll magically get the nomination at the DNC, and this is just the feeling I'm getting.

 

[gouis]

There is more campaign than just the debates. Calling Sanders out for "never getting anything done" while standing on the right side of history almost every time over the last 30 years while she was continuing to support the war in Yemen, among a million other things, is punching left.

My Biden-Trump argument is obviously more complex than "Biden is worse than Trump" but if you also would like to ignore that in bad faith, then be my guest!

I know what you're argument is in terms of a long-term vision of this country, but give Trump another 4 years and we might not have another president not named "Trump".

Please stop painting everyone that disagrees or even confronts your candidate as arguing in 'bad faith'. You're displaying the exact kind of hostile behavior that turned so many people off of Bernie (WHO I WILL VOTE FOR).

 

[gouis]

Question: Do we think Warren is intentionally spoilong Bernie, and if so, is it just because she thinks he slighted her, or am I missing something?

I'd like Warren to be president, I just don't think she'll magically get the nomination at the DNC, and this is just the feeling I'm getting.

No, all of these people are incredibly egotistical and don't think they should be the ones to step out. The only reason the moderates got in line is because Obama or someone similar called them and laid it on the line. Despite what the Bernie acolytes will have you believe she's still a progressive that the party isn't really keen on.

My hope is that she just wanted to be in it for MA, saw that she lost and will now drop out. But also if you're a woman in politics you're probably also tired of being told to "get in line" behind some white dude.

 

[jaycee]

Question: Do we think Warren is intentionally spoilong Bernie, and if so, is it just because she thinks he slighted her, or am I missing something?

I'd like Warren to be president, I just don't think she'll magically get the nomination at the DNC, and this is just the feeling I'm getting.

No. I just think the DNC was better organized and Klobuchar and Pete, and their supporters, prefer Biden as a candidate. The reasons for that preference isn’t just ignorance or hatred as it’s being painted by some. It’s about fear and a lack of collaboration and coalition building with those voters

Warren has no chance at this point

 

[BjorgenFjorgen]

I know what you're argument is in terms of a long-term vision of this country, but give Trump another 4 years and we might not have another president not named "Trump".

Please stop painting everyone that disagrees or even confronts your candidate has arguing in 'bad faith'. You're displaying the exact kind of hostile behavior that turned so many people off of Bernie (WHO I WILL VOTE FOR).

Everyone being you, who summarized my argument as "Trump > Biden" and Jaycee who later admitted he misread what I said? That's not hostile. But if a "return to civility" is more important to people than actual change, I think they're going to be sorely disappointed in the results.

 

[gouis]

Everyone being you, who summarized my argument as "Trump > Biden" and Jaycee who later admitted he misread what I said? That's not hostile. But if a "return to civility" is more important to people than actual change, I think they're going to be sorely disappointed in the results.

Civility should matter to you if the person you support is gong to lose because of how uncivil his supporters are being.

 

[gouis]

Now I'm going to go back to ignoring this thread because I temporarily forgot how delirious people get in here.

 

[BjorgenFjorgen]

Civility should matter to you if the person you support is gong to lose because of how uncivil his supporters are being.

That's 100% not why he's losing, but go off I guess.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Question: Do we think Warren is intentionally spoilong Bernie, and if so, is it just because she thinks he slighted her, or am I missing something?

I'd like Warren to be president, I just don't think she'll magically get the nomination at the DNC, and this is just the feeling I'm getting.

Yea I don’t really agree with this and it’s not like all the Warren supporters would have jumped ship for Bernie.

I already see articles with Ilhan Omar and Trump jumping on this.

Is Warren a little more independent than the mainstream Dems? She seems like she is more outspoken when she disagrees (I like that).

 

[jaycee]

Everyone being you, who summarized my argument as "Trump > Biden" and Jaycee who later admitted he misread what I said? That's not hostile. But if a "return to civility" is more important to people than actual change, I think they're going to be sorely disappointed in the results.

I misread “long term” I still think it’s privileged and irresponsible to sit out this election if Biden is the candidate.

I don’t think that capitalism was going to be completely upended with a Sanders presidency and I do think that more center-left economic policies will continue to do what they’ve always done.

 

[dbarila]

As much as I'm a big Bernie supporter and I hate to admit it, I think Biden has a better shot to beat Trump in the general. Bernie has too many people (in both sides) who automatically will write off Sanders as a tax raising socialist. No matter how many times you explain it to them it doesn't matter. My parents are Democrats and all they care about is if Sanders is elected their taxes will go up. To older Democrats, which will probably be more likely to come out and vote, Biden is a safer choice.

 

[sahomerrocks]

The only reason the moderates got in line is because Obama or someone similar called them and laid it on the line.

For the Biden endorsements maybe, but it was probably just as simple as they were running out of money and didn't see much more coming in. Warren still has buttloads of cash. People are certainly reasonable to criticize how she obtained all that money (walking back her stance on Super PACs) but CREAM, y'all.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Can you point me to where I can learn more about the school board election you mentioned? I don't know anything about what that's about?
Just curious

I ran out of articles on the LA times, but just google LAUSD school board 2020 results.

Its prop public ed vs charters. The charter candidates had millions behind them while pro public has hundreds of thousands and the union walking the neighborhoods.

 

[Indymisanthrope]

Question: Do we think Warren is intentionally spoilong Bernie, and if so, is it just because she thinks he slighted her, or am I missing something?

My hope is that she just wanted to be in it for MA, saw that she lost and will now drop out. But also if you're a woman in politics you're probably also tired of being told to "get in line" behind some white dude.

Warren has no chance at this point

Warren has no chance at this point, but she also raised $29M in February, and that sort of support deserves seeing the campaign through. Not necessarily to the convention, but at minimum to a point where you can say that you have results or are out of money, and there is no path forward. Staying in until Super Tuesday did not seem irrational or traitorous to me, but a fulfillment of the promise she made to her supporters, who gave her the resources to do so. If she drops out of the race after yesterday's results, I won't be disappointed in her, but I would have been if she had dropped out before. If she stays in a while longer, I'm fine with that too.

That's 100% not why he's losing, but go off I guess.

It's not even totally clear yet that he's "losing" as much as Super Tuesday didn't hand him a clear mandate, but insofar as we can say he isn't winning yet, it seems to be because the people he promised would vote for him, didn't.

 

[wokeupnew]

To be fair, Bernie did not energize enough young voters to vote for him this time around. So if the youth vote will not show up, we need someone who will energize the older population who will be voting. Biden can do that. And like what was already mentioned, older folks are wary about anything related to socialism or higher taxes even if they won’t have their taxes raised necessarily.

 

[jaycee]

That's 100% not why he's losing, but go off I guess.

it’s not 100% but I’ve been trying to tell folks on here for a long time that it matters ... at least to people not on the coasts who don’t engage in any conversation let alone one about socialism lightly.

its not everything but its also not insignificant

 

[Btsvinylfarm]

Hmm, I wonder what would have happened in those states if the other progressive candidate with no hope to win the nomination hadn't siphoned votes...

Okay, but you could say the same for Bloomberg. Biden could have won even bigger yesterday without Bloomberg siphoning votes.

The Warren thing is an excuse. Bernie had a bad night. Period, plain and simple. Biden barely campaigned in some of the states he won in.

I'm curious your thoughts on the data I shared - both the RCP aggregates in the General for Sanders/Biden, as well as the low youth turnout? Does that not concern you if the goal is to win in November and remove the incumbent? It scares the shit out of me.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Is it weird that I don’t even see Warren as a progressive anymore? When you said “other progressive candidate” I went “who?”

I also heard Chuck Todd mention that if she were to Drop out, which may be likely now, the majority of her Base would go to Biden rather than Bernie. Bernie is too progressive for most of her base and Biden is the safe option.