Sebastian
It’s Wool…
Biden will lose to Trump. We are doomed.
Unfortunately I think this has a lot to do with it.
Obama did decent all things considered!
Biden was Obama's VP!
Biden should do a good job then! BERNIE SCARY!
Oof, I'm frustrated. All I keep wondering is who failed to prepare our generation for this, I guess.
It is shitty to hide behind claims of making a better world as an excuse to be shitty, yes.It's very shitty to want a better world!
If you vote for someone to have to ration insulin because someone ratio'd you on the internet once, you were going to do that anyway.It is shitty to hide behind claims of making a better world as an excuse to be shitty, yes.
If you vote for someone to have to ration insulin because someone ratio'd you on the internet once, you were going to do that anyway.
Every national poll in the last several months has shown Bernie with the best chance over Trump in a federal election. I can't believe you've even tried looking at numbers. If the DNC trot out Hillary 2.0 this fall they will get destroyed and they will deserve it.
A) national polls are meaningless, B) RCP aggregates show Biden performing better nationally than Sanders (+5.4 for Biden vs +4.9 for Bernie), and C) Biden is currently performing better in state polling in FL, they are running even in PA, and Bernie has a 0.1% advantage over Biden in MI.
But my concern is more about states like VA where Biden is +6 while Bernie is just +1.5, or in NC where Biden is +3.4 and Bernie just +0.7.
And then you have downballot concerns. Biden is running mostly even with Trump (+0.3) in AZ, while Bernie trails by 5%. There's a huge Senate opportunity there to take McSally's seat. No wonder why Mark Kelly (astronaut husband of Gabby Gifford's) who is running has endorsed Biden.
So yeah, I've been looking at the numbers. That's why I have concerns about Bernie and what it means for beating Trump as well as down ballot.
That's not really clear yet. A lot of people are posting numbers to shame young people as if they were expecting them to vote in higher proportions than they are in the electorate. Older people will always vote more than young people because of various reasons. I'm sure the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and seven-hour-long lines to vote at colleges doesn't help. Biden is still tanking with anyone over 45. Young people want something new but there are still more voters in the 45+ bracket who don't give a shit about the kids.Also should note that young people turnout was incredibly low. Not suggesting all of them would have voted for Bernie, but it’s still disappointing when the younger generation sits out voting. I know many younger people I work with who didn’t vote in the presidential election last time and were upset when Trump lost, saying they’d finally vote next time. Well I hope they also know voting in primaries and local elections are also really important, though I doubt it.
Hey at least the school board elections worked out pretty well. 3/4 pro public 1 with a run off likely.
Looking at the primary I don’t see it as all negative. The types of issues that Bernie brings up weren’t even on the table a decade ago. 2016 primary was a long shot. 2020 primary he got even closer. Progressive ideas are gaining.
Bernie was always up against the DNC. They did what was expected, consolidated power. They saw their chance after Carolina. That and Warren splitting the progressive votes caused this.
I’ll vote for anyone over Trump as any reasonable person will.
Hmm, I wonder what would have happened in those states if the other progressive candidate with no hope to win the nomination hadn't siphoned votes...So, backtracking to this discussion about whether I "even tried looking at the numbers", me posting polling averages, and my post prior to that concerning middle class suburban voters - last night reinforced a lot of my concerns about Bernie in a general election. It's one thing to have lost in VA and NC, but the size of the loss matters. And to have lost Minnesota - a state he won in 2016 and is needed as evidence of middle class Midwestern support - is bad. Massachusetts and Maine just make his night even worse.
And the numbers on the youth vote should worry all Sanders supporters. His electability argument hinges on youth turnout to offset suburbanite no-shows in a general election. Last night didn't inspire confidence in that theory.
Again, as I noted yesterday, I am anxious about this election. I want Trump out. And I will vote for whoever his Dem opponent is. But I'd be lying if I said that I truly believe Bernie could win in a head to head. Last night didn't calm those fears.
Is it weird that I don’t even see Warren as a progressive anymore? When you said “other progressive candidate” I went “who?”Hmm, I wonder what would have happened in those states if the other progressive candidate with no hope to win the nomination hadn't siphoned votes...
No, I agree. If she actually cared about the progressive cause she would have dropped out two or more days ago.Is it weird that I don’t even see Warren as a progressive anymore? When you said “other progressive candidate” I went “who?”
Yup.Also should note that young people turnout was incredibly low. Not suggesting all of them would have voted for Bernie, but it’s still disappointing when the younger generation sits out voting. I know many younger people I work with who didn’t vote in the presidential election last time and were upset when Trump lost, saying they’d finally vote next time. Well I hope they also know voting in primaries and local elections are also really important, though I doubt it.
No because the toxic arm of the online Bernie supporters have been out in force basically painting her as a traitor. I still think she'd be the best president.Is it weird that I don’t even see Warren as a progressive anymore? When you said “other progressive candidate” I went “who?”
Yeah look I don't really care who else backs my candidate, but a lot of people do. I know so many extremely progressive "woke" people IRL who were so put off by the Joe Rogan endorsement that they then said they would no longer vote for Bernie.And the toxic arm factored into people's decisions who did show up to vote.
I also think this is a fallacy. These types of prognostications in the primary season are notoriously unreliable. If Bernie can't beat Biden I don't think he'd be able to beat Trump.Biden will lose to Trump. We are doomed.
...No because the toxic arm of the online Bernie supporters have been out in force basically painting her as a traitor. I still think she'd be the best president.
She has spent all of her recent energy at the debates completely demolishing Bloomberg. Not sure how that is "punching left"....
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If she hadn't started punching left on everything, that probably wouldn't have happened.