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Chucktshoes said:
That could be the case, but it isn’t. There’s a really strong data set that says the masks aren’t needed for the vaccinated. Hell, they were never needed outside.
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and aren't there plenty of people who are not vaccinated but working in office spaces or indoors in general where aerosols are more likely to be trapped in cubicles or other enclosed spaces.

I get lifting the mask mandates outdoors. I get the economic reasons to do so indoors. I just don't think that public health is the reason for these current decisions
 
jaycee said:
I guess. If you were far enough away from other individuals to not come in contact with their aerosols.
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There is not a single documented case of casual outdoor contact transmission in the world. All cases of outdoor transmission contained either prolonged close contact or an indoor element.
 
jaycee said:
and aren't there plenty of people who are not vaccinated but working in office spaces or indoors in general where aerosols are more likely to be trapped in cubicles or other enclosed spaces.

I get lifting the mask mandates outdoors. I get the economic reasons to do so indoors. I just don't think that public health is the reason for these current decisions
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So, what you’re saying is you’re fine with being the arm on the right. Every single post you’re making just confirms the point being made by that meme.
 
Chucktshoes said:
That could be the case, but it isn’t. There’s a really strong data set that says the masks aren’t needed for the vaccinated. Hell, they were never needed outside.
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Whether this is true or not, some people are choosing to continue wearing them because it makes them feel anxious to not do so at the moment. I think assuming all of them are doing it as a political statement is very cynical and certainly incorrect. Laughing at and criticizing people for continuing to use safety equipment that has no downside to them or any others because you personally are convinced it is not necessary is weird imo. Like calling someone an idiot for wearing a life jacket that can swim. Sure maybe they probably don't need it, but if it makes them feel better, so what?

Choosing to use protective or preventive equipment that is not explicitly recommended as "necessary" is a complete false equivalency to doing the opposite. Taking additional precaution will never be similar to ignoring recommended precautions.
 
Chucktshoes said:
So, what you’re saying is you’re fine with being the arm on the right. Every single post you’re making just confirms the point being made by that meme.
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I just don't understand the meme or the point of it. I'm not associated with either arm and I'm not sure why the arm on the right is a negative I guess.

Chucktshoes said:
There is not a single documented case of casual outdoor contact transmission in the world. All cases of outdoor transmission contained either prolonged close contact or an indoor element.
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What does casual mean?
You're saying that outdoor transmission is possible but that people didn't ever need to wear masks outdoors?
 
Well and speaking of my kids' school and masks, starts June 4. Dallas ISD goes through June 18 due to starting later because of Covid:

 
dhodo said:
Whether this is true or not, some people are choosing to continue wearing them because it makes them feel anxious to not do so at the moment. I think assuming all of them are doing it as a political statement is very cynical and certainly incorrect. Laughing at and criticizing people for continuing to use safety equipment that has no downside to them or any others because you personally are convinced it is not necessary is weird imo. Like calling someone an idiot for wearing a life jacket that can swim. Sure maybe they don't need it, but if it makes them feel better, so what?
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It has much less to do with people choosing to continue to wear masks than pointing out the hypocrisy of their positions and statements from a year ago compared to now. When people expressed doubts about the efficacy of mask mandates the mantra was trust the CDC, believe the science. Now that the CDC is saying that the mask mandates are not necessary, those those same people are pushing back against the ending of the mandates.
 
jaycee said:
I just don't understand the meme or the point of it. I'm not associated with either arm and I'm not sure why the arm on the right is a negative I guess.



What does casual mean?
You're saying that outdoor transmission is possible but that people didn't ever need to wear masks outdoors?
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Are you intentionally being obtuse?

you’re a smart person and I have a hard time believing that you can’t differentiate the difference between casual and prolonged contact even just from the context. Let alone after over a year of constant thinking about, discussing, and parsing the never ending guidance from health and government organizations.
 
Chucktshoes said:
Are you intentionally being obtuse?

you’re a smart person and I have a hard time believing that you can’t differentiate the difference between casual and prolonged contact even just from the context. Let alone after over a year of constant thinking about, discussing, and parsing the never ending guidance from health and government organizations.
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No I don't mean to be obtuse. I just literally don't get multiple points. I specifically don't get your point that masks were not needed outside when you also state that infections occurred outside. I don't know what casual or prolonged contact means. Is being outside of 6 ft distance casual? or is it casual to be within 6 ft for no more than 5 minutes? Is prolonged contact anything outside of those parameters?

I literally do not know and have never bothered trying to differentiate all of those parameters (casual, prolonged, etc) given all of the discrepancies in information and individual approaches. For me as an individual, I understood that being beyond 6 feet from other people and wearing a mask gave me as much protection for me and my family as could be offered given the nature of the virus and the behave of others... and that others were protected from me.
 
Chucktshoes said:
It has much less to do with people choosing to continue to wear masks than pointing out the hypocrisy of their positions and statements from a year ago compared to now. When people expressed doubts about the efficacy of mask mandates the mantra was trust the CDC, believe the science. Now that the CDC is saying that the mask mandates are not necessary, those those same people are pushing back against the ending of the mandates.
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I understand that you think that, but as I explained above, to me it is a complete false equivalency, so I disagree about it being hypocritical.

If someone a year ago said "you have to do exactly what the CDC says, no more and no less" and now they are saying "you should do more than the CDC says." Then you may have a point about them being hypocritical, but I personally don't think that person is remotely common. I also fail to see how it is a negative if the thing they are being hypocritical about is being relatively more cautious than before.

Did I miss where the CDC said that mask mandates are not necessary? I thought they just said that mask wearing is not necessary for people who are fully vaccinated in most situations. I could be behind on the news.

Edit: I will say that I agree with you that if their true sole reason for wearing them is not to be mistaken as a Republican, not because they have any concerns about safety or personal comfort, that is stupid.
 
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Chuck you're allowed to say I'm right, it won't hurt you.

But it's a false equivalency.

For the right not following the CDC guidelines killed untold thousands of people in order to "own the libs".

On the left an abundance of caution just means people are wearing masks and being judgmental when they don't need to be. Worst case scenario is they judge someone who shouldn't be judged. Wearing a mask in a grocery store doesn't hurt anyone, and many countries do this on a regular basis when the flu is around.
 
dhodo said:
Whether this is true or not, some people are choosing to continue wearing them because it makes them feel anxious to not do so at the moment. I think assuming all of them are doing it as a political statement is very cynical and certainly incorrect. Laughing at and criticizing people for continuing to use safety equipment that has no downside to them or any others because you personally are convinced it is not necessary is weird imo. Like calling someone an idiot for wearing a life jacket that can swim. Sure maybe they probably don't need it, but if it makes them feel better, so what?

Choosing to use protective or preventive equipment that is not explicitly recommended as "necessary" is a complete false equivalency to doing the opposite. Taking additional precaution will never be similar to ignoring recommended precautions.
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Y - I'm wearing a mask indoors at the grocery store because I'm unsure whether the current vaccines are fully effective against new and emerging variants. I want to protect a compromised person in my home and I want to protect those who are unable or unwilling to get the vaccine.
 
dhodo said:
I understand that you think that, but as I explained above, to me it is a complete false equivalency, so I disagree about it being hypocritical.

If someone a year ago said "you have to do exactly what the CDC says, no more and no less" and now they are saying "you should do more than the CDC says." Then you may have a point about them being hypocritical, but I personally don't think that person is remotely common. I also fail to see how it is a negative if the thing they are being hypocritical about is being relatively more cautious than before.

Did I miss where the CDC said that mask mandates are not necessary? I thought they just said that mask wearing is not necessary for people who are fully vaccinated in most situations. I could be behind on the news.

Edit: I will say that I agree with you that if their true sole reason for wearing them is not to be mistaken as a Republican, not because they have any concerns about safety or personal comfort, that is stupid.
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then we might’ve found the only thing we will agree on with regards to the subject. David Hogg is an idiot.😂
 
jaycee said:
No I don't mean to be obtuse. I just literally don't get multiple points. I specifically don't get your point that masks were not needed outside when you also state that infections occurred outside. I don't know what casual or prolonged contact means. Is being outside of 6 ft distance casual? or is it casual to be within 6 ft for no more than 5 minutes? Is prolonged contact anything outside of those parameters?

I literally do not know and have never bothered trying to differentiate all of those parameters (casual, prolonged, etc) given all of the discrepancies in information and individual approaches. For me as an individual, I understood that being beyond 6 feet from other people and wearing a mask gave me as much protection for me and my family as could be offered given the nature of the virus and the behave of others... and that others were protected from me.
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Then I apologize if I came off as insulting.

There were so many places that enacted mask mandates for people engaging in outdoor activities such as running or making use of parks. Some going so far as to prohibit people from using them altogether. Casual contacts such as people running by each other on a trail or momentarily speaking to each other outdoors has zero cases of transmission attributed to it. Now stopping and carrying on a conversation for 15 minutes with a friend of yours standing 2 feet away from each other, that might be a good time to grab your mask. That’s the difference between casual and prolonged contact that I have been able to interpret from the articles and guidance I have read.
 
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gouis said:
Chuck you're allowed to say I'm right, it won't hurt you.

But it's a false equivalency.

For the right not following the CDC guidelines killed untold thousands of people in order to "own the libs".

On the left an abundance of caution just means people are wearing masks and being judgmental when they don't need to be. Worst case scenario is they judge someone who shouldn't be judged. Wearing a mask in a grocery store doesn't hurt anyone, and many countries do this on a regular basis when the flu is around.
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In the post I was referencing, yes. I did agree you were correct. I almost quoted you to make that reference and say that directly. I chose not to not because of pride, but with the knowledge that in the entire time we have interacted here and at the old place direct engagement never resulted in a positive outcome.

Simply put, you and I mix less like oil and water and more like potassium and water. I choose not to directly engage with you as a general course of action because I believe it to be in the best interest of not only myself but everyone else.

On that note, I will step away from this discussion and sincerely wish you a good day.
 
Chucktshoes said:
Then I apologize if I came off as insulting.

There were so many places that enacted mask mandates for people engaging in outdoor activities such as running or making use of parks. Some going so far as to prohibit people from using them altogether. Casual contacts such as people running by each other on a trail or momentarily speaking to each other outdoors has zero cases of transmission attributed to it. Now stopping and carrying on a conversation for 15 minutes with a friend of yours standing 2 feet away from each other, that might be a good time to grab your mask. That’s the difference between casual intro wrong contact that I have been able to interpret from the articles and guidance I have read.
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No you didn't come off as insulting. I just think you were making a point that I was confused about.
 
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I just want to say that I've been consistent. When the cdc said we didn't need masks 14 months ago I had already been wearing mine for weeks.

When they finally said we all needed masks I was like, "yah, I know. I took a single biology class in college."
 
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