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epyon415 said:
I don’t think this is explained to high school students well enough. Everything has been drilled into us that 4 year college is your only path to success (I.e. making lots of money).
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This depends entirely on your socioeconomic conditions. My oldest went to more urban schools and there were tracks to get students in careers like hvac, construction, or hair styling in addition to what is the more traditional path and she graduated high school ten years ago.
 
In regards to the New York Attorney General wanting more information and detail for Trump's out-of-state underwriter, this particular paragraph cracked me the fuck up:

"Trump’s attorney accused the attorney general’s office of trying to be purposely troublesome for the former president."

TRYING TO BE PURPOSELY TROUBLESOME!!!!!!! THE HORROR!!!!!! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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It's Even Bleaker for Teachers Than You Thought — TIME

Ms. S. teaches English and math in a low-income neighborhood in New York City. She's one of the most experienced teachers at her school, having been there two years. She has a business degree, but school recruiters kept contacting her after she graduated so she decided to try teaching. "I really...
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RenegadeMonster said:
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It's Even Bleaker for Teachers Than You Thought — TIME

Ms. S. teaches English and math in a low-income neighborhood in New York City. She's one of the most experienced teachers at her school, having been there two years. She has a business degree, but school recruiters kept contacting her after she graduated so she decided to try teaching. "I really...
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Education is a very bleak career right now. It's been taken over by neoliberal bs and a business class mentality which doesn't care about the learning in education. That has fed into parents having unrealistic expectations and bloated administrations who throw money at consultants to create more busy work, give as much control over all things education to everyone but the educators, and do everything but pay for quality teachers or lower the student/teacher ratio.
 
It isn't lost of me that Red States are saying Biden's new student loan repayment plans harms them because it takes away any financial incentive for people to enter the public sector, like teaching, where student loans are forgiven after 10 years. If other repayment plans have forgiveness, why would someone work if the public sector with what they are paid.

I'm sure with the incentive of student loan forgiveness, state legislators used that as an excuse to cut budgets or not give raises or as good as raises to workers in the public sector.

Also, anyone see the irony about using the student loan forgiveness for those working in the public sector as the main reason to say Biden's repayment plan harms states? Weren't these same states against the forgiveness plan for people who work 10 years in the public sector not that long ago?
 
What do you all think about this situation? Good for him or that this is seriously immoral and he should be fired and that he committed wage theft?

I was hearing about a Gen X person who is remaining anonymous because he is secretly working 3 full time remote jobs. He's a hard worker and very smart, gets all his work done and done well and one of the top performers at each of the 3 companies he works for. The jobs allow for flex hours, and this guy is able to juggle all 3 jobs getting all his work done Monday through Friday working 10 to 12 hour days. Between all 3 jobs, he earns $354,000 a year and has been able to pay off his student loans, buy a house and start saving up for his kids to go to college.

The reason he is staying anonymous is if any of his employers found out he was doing this he would be fired on the spot. It would indeed be considered wage theft by company policies and a conflict of interest to be working two more jobs at the same time.

It doesn't matter that he is more productive and gets more done than all his coworkers. They are looking at it as his salary is based off a 40 hour work week. And if he's getting all his work completed in 20 hours worth of time each week he's stealing 20 hours worth of company time / pay. And the laws in many states favor the employer, he could be ordered to pay back that money.

If he gets all his work done and more than his coworkers, and there is never any issues I don't see any harm in this. But our system is pretty rigged to keep you pinned down to just one full time job. Many boomers can't wrap their heads around this and immediately say how wrong this is and you don't do that. And this is why we need "return to office", because this kind of "scam" is much harder to pull off if you are in the office. But is it really a "scam"? There are also people to say this shows another reason why people need to be back in the office. The fact that managers don't know what their employees are doing and what their workload is. If someone is able to complete more work in 20 hours than another worker can do in 40 hours there's a problem. They don't understand their staffs capacity and how to properly resource work. And it's probably a case of people being "lazy" in the work from home environment and not being productive or someone is not a good fit for a job so it takes them longer to do work than it should. And they are assigning the same work to someone who is fully capable of knocking it out in half the time, but don't realize that person is then sitting idle and needs more work to be given.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
What do you all think about this situation? Good for him or that this is seriously immoral and he should be fired and that he committed wage theft?

I was hearing about a Gen X person who is remaining anonymous because he is secretly working 3 full time remote jobs. He's a hard worker and very smart, gets all his work done and done well and one of the top performers at each of the 3 companies he works for. The jobs allow for flex hours, and this guy is able to juggle all 3 jobs getting all his work done Monday through Friday working 10 to 12 hour days. Between all 3 jobs, he earns $354,000 a year and has been able to pay off his student loans, buy a house and start saving up for his kids to go to college.

The reason he is staying anonymous is if any of his employers found out he was doing this he would be fired on the spot. It would indeed be considered wage theft by company policies and a conflict of interest to be working two more jobs at the same time.

It doesn't matter that he is more productive and gets more done than all his coworkers. They are looking at it as his salary is based off a 40 hour work week. And if he's getting all his work completed in 20 hours worth of time each week he's stealing 20 hours worth of company time / pay. And the laws in many states favor the employer, he could be ordered to pay back that money.

If he gets all his work done and more than his coworkers, and there is never any issues I don't see any harm in this. But our system is pretty rigged to keep you pinned down to just one full time job. Many boomers can't wrap their heads around this and immediately say how wrong this is and you don't do that. And this is why we need "return to office", because this kind of "scam" is much harder to pull off if you are in the office. But is it really a "scam"? There are also people to say this shows another reason why people need to be back in the office. The fact that managers don't know what their employees are doing and what their workload is. If someone is able to complete more work in 20 hours than another worker can do in 40 hours there's a problem. They don't understand their staffs capacity and how to properly resource work. And it's probably a case of people being "lazy" in the work from home environment and not being productive or someone is not a good fit for a job so it takes them longer to do work than it should. And they are assigning the same work to someone who is fully capable of knocking it out in half the time, but don't realize that person is then sitting idle and needs more work to be given.
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That is not wage theft. Employers steal an estimated $50 billion in unpaid wages from workers every year in the U.S. If a worker can get some of that back, more power to them.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
What do you all think about this situation? Good for him or that this is seriously immoral and he should be fired and that he committed wage theft?

I was hearing about a Gen X person who is remaining anonymous because he is secretly working 3 full time remote jobs. He's a hard worker and very smart, gets all his work done and done well and one of the top performers at each of the 3 companies he works for. The jobs allow for flex hours, and this guy is able to juggle all 3 jobs getting all his work done Monday through Friday working 10 to 12 hour days. Between all 3 jobs, he earns $354,000 a year and has been able to pay off his student loans, buy a house and start saving up for his kids to go to college.

The reason he is staying anonymous is if any of his employers found out he was doing this he would be fired on the spot. It would indeed be considered wage theft by company policies and a conflict of interest to be working two more jobs at the same time.

It doesn't matter that he is more productive and gets more done than all his coworkers. They are looking at it as his salary is based off a 40 hour work week. And if he's getting all his work completed in 20 hours worth of time each week he's stealing 20 hours worth of company time / pay. And the laws in many states favor the employer, he could be ordered to pay back that money.

If he gets all his work done and more than his coworkers, and there is never any issues I don't see any harm in this. But our system is pretty rigged to keep you pinned down to just one full time job. Many boomers can't wrap their heads around this and immediately say how wrong this is and you don't do that. And this is why we need "return to office", because this kind of "scam" is much harder to pull off if you are in the office. But is it really a "scam"? There are also people to say this shows another reason why people need to be back in the office. The fact that managers don't know what their employees are doing and what their workload is. If someone is able to complete more work in 20 hours than another worker can do in 40 hours there's a problem. They don't understand their staffs capacity and how to properly resource work. And it's probably a case of people being "lazy" in the work from home environment and not being productive or someone is not a good fit for a job so it takes them longer to do work than it should. And they are assigning the same work to someone who is fully capable of knocking it out in half the time, but don't realize that person is then sitting idle and needs more work to be given.
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My knee-jerk reaction is there are a number of unknowns which affect how ethical I find this, such as:
  • What industries are these jobs in? Are they directly in competition with one another?
  • What sort of contract/agreement does he have with these employers? I had a job which required me to report any/all side gigs, and though I forget the reason, it was less a "we need to approve of these gigs" and more "we just need to know in case there's a conflict of interest"
  • What sort of time commitment does he have to these jobs? If any of them involve availability to an on-call rotation or specific, rigid working hours, the other job(s) could conflict.
  • What's the nature of the work and the expectation when one isn't actively on duty? I'm expected to work 40 hours, my boss expects like 32 hours' worth of actual work, but if asked I'd need to account for downtime and indicate I'm working towards personal development or improving documentation/processes.
 
Yeah, a lot of that is unknown. And employers probably have something onfile to prevent something like this.

We have an annual code of conduct disclosure we need to fill out where I work. Like you I need to disclose any side gigs. And they are not just checking to see if there are conflicts of interest such as working for a competitor or one of our client's competitors. It's also very much a check to make sure we are not doing any jobs that utilize the same or similar skill sets as that would be considered a conflict of interest. You can only use your skill set for this one job and no other.

It's very restrictive. Say Grocery store A is a client of ours. We can't work for grocery store B, C or D because they are a direct competitor of our client, grocery store A.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
What do you all think about this situation? Good for him or that this is seriously immoral and he should be fired and that he committed wage theft?

I was hearing about a Gen X person who is remaining anonymous because he is secretly working 3 full time remote jobs. He's a hard worker and very smart, gets all his work done and done well and one of the top performers at each of the 3 companies he works for. The jobs allow for flex hours, and this guy is able to juggle all 3 jobs getting all his work done Monday through Friday working 10 to 12 hour days. Between all 3 jobs, he earns $354,000 a year and has been able to pay off his student loans, buy a house and start saving up for his kids to go to college.

The reason he is staying anonymous is if any of his employers found out he was doing this he would be fired on the spot. It would indeed be considered wage theft by company policies and a conflict of interest to be working two more jobs at the same time.

It doesn't matter that he is more productive and gets more done than all his coworkers. They are looking at it as his salary is based off a 40 hour work week. And if he's getting all his work completed in 20 hours worth of time each week he's stealing 20 hours worth of company time / pay. And the laws in many states favor the employer, he could be ordered to pay back that money.

If he gets all his work done and more than his coworkers, and there is never any issues I don't see any harm in this. But our system is pretty rigged to keep you pinned down to just one full time job. Many boomers can't wrap their heads around this and immediately say how wrong this is and you don't do that. And this is why we need "return to office", because this kind of "scam" is much harder to pull off if you are in the office. But is it really a "scam"? There are also people to say this shows another reason why people need to be back in the office. The fact that managers don't know what their employees are doing and what their workload is. If someone is able to complete more work in 20 hours than another worker can do in 40 hours there's a problem. They don't understand their staffs capacity and how to properly resource work. And it's probably a case of people being "lazy" in the work from home environment and not being productive or someone is not a good fit for a job so it takes them longer to do work than it should. And they are assigning the same work to someone who is fully capable of knocking it out in half the time, but don't realize that person is then sitting idle and needs more work to be given.
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It's not a question of morality. Good for him if he's able to get away with it and if he's actually contributing as much as he says to all the employers he's working for (spoiler, he's almost certainly not), but yes it's also textbook wage theft. It actually has nothing to do with his levels of productivity. If you're only "at" each job for 50% of the time your salary is designed to compensate you for, you're running a big risk, x3, end of story. One of the teams I manage is all remote workers, and if I found out any of them was doing this then I would also liable for abetting them if I didn't take immediate action.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
What do you all think about this situation? Good for him or that this is seriously immoral and he should be fired and that he committed wage theft?

I was hearing about a Gen X person who is remaining anonymous because he is secretly working 3 full time remote jobs. He's a hard worker and very smart, gets all his work done and done well and one of the top performers at each of the 3 companies he works for. The jobs allow for flex hours, and this guy is able to juggle all 3 jobs getting all his work done Monday through Friday working 10 to 12 hour days. Between all 3 jobs, he earns $354,000 a year and has been able to pay off his student loans, buy a house and start saving up for his kids to go to college.

The reason he is staying anonymous is if any of his employers found out he was doing this he would be fired on the spot. It would indeed be considered wage theft by company policies and a conflict of interest to be working two more jobs at the same time.

It doesn't matter that he is more productive and gets more done than all his coworkers. They are looking at it as his salary is based off a 40 hour work week. And if he's getting all his work completed in 20 hours worth of time each week he's stealing 20 hours worth of company time / pay. And the laws in many states favor the employer, he could be ordered to pay back that money.

If he gets all his work done and more than his coworkers, and there is never any issues I don't see any harm in this. But our system is pretty rigged to keep you pinned down to just one full time job. Many boomers can't wrap their heads around this and immediately say how wrong this is and you don't do that. And this is why we need "return to office", because this kind of "scam" is much harder to pull off if you are in the office. But is it really a "scam"? There are also people to say this shows another reason why people need to be back in the office. The fact that managers don't know what their employees are doing and what their workload is. If someone is able to complete more work in 20 hours than another worker can do in 40 hours there's a problem. They don't understand their staffs capacity and how to properly resource work. And it's probably a case of people being "lazy" in the work from home environment and not being productive or someone is not a good fit for a job so it takes them longer to do work than it should. And they are assigning the same work to someone who is fully capable of knocking it out in half the time, but don't realize that person is then sitting idle and needs more work to be given.
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I was looking up something the other day and came across this Reddit community…


…which is essentially what this person is doing. I hadn’t ever considered that this was a thing but I applaud those that can take advantage.
 
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