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DownIsTheNewUp said:
My point is that I don't think there is a natural way to get there because a government option is destined to fail so long as private insurance is allowed to exist (for the reasons stated above).

And if it does fail- kiss goodbye any hope of ever convincing the public to go full M4A.
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I misread/misunderstood your original comment. That’s an interesting point I hadn’t considered. I’ll have to do more research into the arguments on how to get there. I appreciate your insight.
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
I misread/misunderstood your original comment. That’s an interesting point I hadn’t considered. I’ll have to do more research into the arguments on how to get there. I appreciate your insight.
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Of course. As I said, I appreciate your willingness to have a conversation.

I would read into the ways the ACA has been undermined in red states, the amount of money private insurance has spent on lobbying (if memory serves Bernie talks about in the Rogan interview), about why the personal mandate existed (keeping healthy people in the pool to prevent costs from rising), and the court cases that have been a part of making the ACA as low functioning as possible (including the gutting of said mandate).

If I have some time, I'll post some links.
 
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People may think my politics are insane, I don’t care. Everything I believe in is determined by a love of humanity, whether it deserves it or not. It’s the duty of the successful to support the unsuccessful, particularly in our rigged societies. Your neighbour isn’t your enemy, they’re your friend.
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
I agree, Medicare for all is one of my higher priorities, but, as I said, I’d rather get there naturally than shove it down peoples’ throats. If the private option is open, then all the “socialism sucks” naysayers can keep their private insurance if they choose....but they’d eventually wind up going with the gov’t option anyways.
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That literally undermines the public option. If you allow people to opt out and use private insurance you weaken the risk pool and stunt the public options ability to negotiate lower prices.

I'd encourage you to look into what is happening in South Africa as an example
 
Chucktshoes said:
I liked my private insurance when I used to be able to afford it. Now I can’t afford it so I don’t have it.
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Exactly. People might "like" it in that they like having health insurance. I have private supplementary insurance through my work but it's still a pain in the ass to deal with. Here you don't lose your insurance when you lose your job or switch jobs, or can't afford it anymore. You don't have to deal with insurance companies that try to deny every claim.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
Exactly. People might "like" it in that they like having health insurance. I have private supplementary insurance through my work but it's still a pain in the ass to deal with. Here you don't lose your insurance when you lose your job or switch jobs, or can't afford it anymore. You don't have to deal with insurance companies that try to deny every claim.
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I get how it works there, but you mistake me. When I said I liked my insurance, that’s what I meant. I had good insurance that I could afford. It provided the coverage I needed along with the access and choice I desired. This was prior to the ACA. After the enacting of the ACA prices went up, choice and access decreased and eventually I found myself in a position where to purchase insurance for my family that was far worse than what I had a decade ago would run me over $22k in premiums and $6k in deductibles annually. Depending on how one views things, the ACA was either a total failure, or in light of the growing desire for some sort of Medicare for all system, a rousing success.
 
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