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That's cool. I've been looking for that one Labrinth song from episode 4, but, from what I've seen, he hasn't added it to his page yet. I read somewhere that he typically posts the new tracks the day after the show airs, but, this was over a week ago. Sounds like a lot of people are wanting this one song like I am.
Here's the playlist (the only songs not on it are still unreleased or unavailable on Spotify as far as I know:

Let me know if you spot some mistakes or see those missing Labrinth songs and I'll update.
 
Here's the playlist (the only songs not on it are still unreleased or unavailable on Spotify as far as I know:

Let me know if you spot some mistakes or see those missing Labrinth songs and I'll update.

Awesome! Thanks for sharing this!
 
Here's the playlist (the only songs not on it are still unreleased or unavailable on Spotify as far as I know:

Let me know if you spot some mistakes or see those missing Labrinth songs and I'll update.
Thank you! Your playlists are my favorite!!!!
 
My picks in bold, spoilerfied to save space

Outstanding Comedy Series
Barry
Fleabag
The Good Place
The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Russian Doll
Schitt’s Creek
Veep


Outstanding Drama Series
Better Call Saul
Bodyguard
Game of Thrones
Killing Eve
Ozark
Pose
Succession
This Is Us


Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series
Jason Bateman, Ozark
Sterling K. Brown, This Is Us
Kit Harington, Game of Thrones
Bob Odenkirk, Better Call Saul
Billy Porter, Pose
Milo Ventimiglia, This Is Us

Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series
Emilia Clarke, Game of Thrones
Jodie Comer, Killing Eve
Viola Davis, How to Get Away with Murder
Laura Linney, Ozark
Sandra Oh, Killing Eve
Mandy Moore, This Is Us
Robin Wright, House of Cards

Outstanding Lead Actor in a Limited Series or a Movie
Mahershala Ali, True Detective
Benicio Del Toro, Escape at Dannemora
Hugh Grant, A Very English Scandal
Jared Harris, Chernobyl
Jharrel Jerome, When They See Us
Sam Rockwell, Fosse/Verdon

Outstanding Lead Actress in a Limited Series or a Movie
Amy Adams, Sharp Objects
Patricia Arquette, Escape at Dannemora
Joey King, The Act
Michelle Williams, Fosse/Verdon
Aunjenaue Ellis, When They See Us
Niecy Nash, When They See Us

Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series
Anthony Anderson, black-ish
Don Cheadle, Black Monday
Ted Danson, The Good Place
Michael Douglas, The Kominsky Method
Bill Hader, Barry
Eugene Levy, Schitt’s Creek

Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series
Christina Applegate, Dead to Me
Rachel Brosnahan, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Veep
Natasha Lyonne, Russian Doll
Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Fleabag
Catherine O’Hara, Schitt’s Creek

Outstanding Limited Series
Chernobyl
Escape at Dannemora
Fosse/Verdon
Sharp Object
When They See Us


Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series
Anthony Carrigan,
Barry
Alan Arkin, The Kominsky Method
Stephen Root, Barry
Tony Hale, Veep
Tony Shalhoub, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Henry Winkler, Barry

Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series
Jonathan Banks, Better Call Saul
Giancarlo Esposito, Better Call Saul
Alfie Allen, Game of Thrones
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Game of Thrones
Peter Dinklage, Game of Thrones
Michael Kelly, House of Cards
Chris Sullivan, This Is Us

Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series
Sarah Goldberg, Barry
Sian Clifford, Fleabag
Olivia Colman, Fleabag
Alex Borstein, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Betty Gilpin, GLOW
Marin Hinkle, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Kate McKinnon, Saturday Night Live
Anna Chlumsky, Veep

Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series
Gwendoline Christie, Game of Thrones
Julia Garner, Ozark
Lena Headey, Game of Thrones
Fiona Shaw, Fleabag
Sophie Turner, Game of Thrones
Maisie Williams, Game of Thrones

Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series
Ron Cephas Jones, This Is Us
Michael McKean, Better Call Saul
Glynn Turman, How to Get Away with Murder
Michael Angarano, This Is Us
Kumail Nanjiani, The Twilight Zone
Bradley Whitford, The Handmaid’s Tale

Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Limited Series or a Movie

Ben Whishaw, A Very English Scandal
Asante Blackk, When They See Us
Paul Dano, Escape at Dannemora
Stellan Skarsgard, Chernobyl
John Leguizamo, When They See Us
Michael Kenneth Williams, When They See Us

Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series

Cherry Jones, The Handmaid’s Tale
Jessica Lange, American Horror Story: Apocalypse
Phylicia Rashad, This Is Us
Laverne Cox, Orange Is the New Black
Cicely Tyson, How to Get Away with Murder
Carice van Houten, Game of Thrones

Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Limited Series or a Movie
Patricia Arquette, The Act
Margaret Qualley, Fosse/Verdon
Patricia Clarkson, Sharp Objects
Marsha Stephanie Blake, When They See Us
Vera Farmiga, When They See Us
Emily Watson, Chernobyl

Outstanding Variety/Sketch Series
At Home with Amy Sedaris
Documentary Now
Drunk History
I Love You, America with Sarah Silverman
Saturday Night Live
Who Is America
 
My picks in bold, spoilerfied to save space

I very much agree with you! Except for this one:

Outstanding Lead Actor in a Limited Series or a Movie
Mahershala Ali, True Detective
Benicio Del Toro, Escape at Dannemora
Hugh Grant, A Very English Scandal
Jared Harris, Chernobyl
Jharrel Jerome, When They See Us
Sam Rockwell, Fosse/Verdon

I would choose Jharrel Jerome. The episode that focuses on his character was ALL him. And it was powerful. He did a stunning job.
 
I very much agree with you! Except for this one:

Outstanding Lead Actor in a Limited Series or a Movie
Mahershala Ali, True Detective
Benicio Del Toro, Escape at Dannemora
Hugh Grant, A Very English Scandal
Jared Harris, Chernobyl
Jharrel Jerome, When They See Us
Sam Rockwell, Fosse/Verdon

I would choose Jharrel Jerome. The episode that focuses on his character was ALL him. And it was powerful. He did a stunning job.
Yea this was one of the tougher ones and hes clearly the other choice here, but Harris was Chernobyl for me and it's the better show imo which gave him the edge. When They See Us was fantastic and deserves all of the awards tho, so I wouldnt hate being wrong here.
 
Yea this was one of the tougher ones and hes clearly the other choice here, but Harris was Chernobyl for me and it's the better show imo which gave him the edge. When They See Us was fantastic and deserves all of the awards tho, so I wouldnt hate being wrong here.
I have no idea how I put my response to you into a spoiler. That was very much an accident that I'm not sure I'll ever be able to replicate.
 
Enjoying Euphoria a ton. Probably my favorite thing I've watched all year. To the point that I've already re-watched the pilot.

Rivals Legion and Sharp Objects as one of the prettiest shows ever made for television, amazing soundtrack, well-round characters (minus the QB) and great acting / dialogue. The polarizing reactions it's receiving are, in my opinion, because it walks the tight rope of being deeply human and viscerally honest while also being hyperstylized and reveling in shocking moments.

Which means your tolerance for its world and how true it rings seems to depend on your own life experiences. For myself, (as an ADHD kid who was super medicated in my youth [and misdiagnosed as bi-polar because of the side effects of all those meds], who had longtime friends who became addicts in high school [coke, crack, meth] and as some who had my 4th grade brother find me after a half-hearted suicide attempt in middle school) its been like reliving some of the most traumatic moments of my childhood in the most pleasant way possible. For others, it might feel like sensationalism.
 
As an extension of my other post, (after reading through other people's posts on the show) I'd add:

Just because something feels like sensationalism or "porn" to somebody whose childhood was more on the normal side doesn't mean that's the case.

For example, @Bennnnn, despite loving 13 Reasons Why [and forcing me to watch it], my brother texted me and called Euphoria disturbing. When I pressed him on the difference between the two shows, he responded: "It hits too close to home. It's like entire scenes are ripped straight from our childhood". In other words, Euphoria felt way realer to him than 13 Reasons Why which made it a much more visceral watch. (For the record, he's kept watching).

I also, don't agree at all that there isn't humor in the show. I think portions of it are hilarious. And that the tone is exactly what makes the show so special- because it's a damn difficult one to juggle.
 
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I’m not suggesting you have feel happy enjoyment for a show to be good. There are many things I love where the end goal is not to make you feel happy. The feeling of dread or depressing situations can make for incredible pieces of art. Something that can make you feel uncomfortable can be powerful. As a bad example, there’s the ending of Twin Peaks, or even the whole film Fire Walk With Me. I watch those things and feel that overwhelming sense of dread, but it doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. In fact, in those cases it’s part of why I love it.

I don’t think Euphoria is one of those shows that gets it right cause it’s not doing it in any way that means anything beyond surface level shock. I am reminded of another thing that thoroughly depressed me, which is Requiem For A Dream. I find that film very difficult and unenjoyable, but I think that’s the point. And I think its points being made are well executed. Here, it doesn’t feel that way. Euphoria wants to be two different shows, but that push-pull results in messiness, from both a general tv viewing point and a critical one. It looks visually appealing, but its visuals are enhancing traumatic situations, almost to the point of glamorizing them, which I know people will disagree with but whatever. Never mind the fact that these are all supposed to be teens, so it feels almost voyeuristic and weird for adults to watch the highly sexualized scenes and get some enjoyment out of them. Yet, this doesn’t feel like a show made for teens. I struggle with seeing what the appeal is for either audience, or whoever is the target audience.

I also am not suggesting it needs to have a moment of sincerity necessarily, where characters are sat down and told by their parents or other adults how their decisions are bad or something. That’s not this show, and generally not something I want to see in a show. I just feel the show isn’t making any points other than “hey teens are fucked up.” That’s a problem to me cause it’s tired and dumb. And I do genuinely get the sense that the creator and writers and whatnot are giddy about showing the depraved scenes, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It doesn’t seem to be coming from a place of genuine concern or understanding or curiosity, but instead a place of just desperation and depression. And to have the tone and messaging be so off base when it comes to these very real and very serious issues is a bad look. A montage of statuary rape shouldn’t just be thrown into a show with no real weight put behind it. And no consideration at how awful it is.

It’s insane to me that a show like 13 Reasons Why can get people up in arms over the belief that it’s glorifying suicide (which I do not believe), but when it comes to Euphoria people are defending this? This? They are very different shows, each unique in a way and over dramatic in their own ways. I would never argue to suggest 13 reasons why is a good show. It has bad acting, a messiness itself, dumb situations, but it remains consistently watchable. And let me just give them credit here for a second, because when you get to the end of season one and have to watch Hannah’s rape scene, it is really tough. It made me feel horrible. But I would say it wasn’t glamorizing it, or presenting it in a non-realistic way. The acting, the shot composition, the lead up to the event itself...this is why it works. Euphoria has none of that. It’s stylization on top of rape, which is, sorry, a really fucked up way to present these scenes. And I am baffled that people can watch that and get enjoyment out of it, and then defend it.

The result of me feeling awful while watching this show isn’t just the situations themselves. I’ve seen worse. It’s the presentation of those situations. It’s the gross feeling of someone getting away with something that bothers me, and by someone I mean both creator and audience. The dead-eyed emptiness (coupled with the visual flair of a music video) of the show’s mood as it cycles through unpleasant event after unpleasant event does not make for good tv in my eyes. It’s not toeing a line between so over the top it’s fun or funny, nor is it rich in substantive material. Instead, it feels just empty. Beautiful emptiness, sometimes, but emptiness nonetheless. And this isn’t even considering all the other issues with the show, such as dialogue, storylines, story writing, a lame voice over narrative device that doesn’t really make sense, irritating bits of some songs (not sure the songs), and a lack of true characterization. Summing up a person’s personality at the beginnings of the episodes is not character development. It’s lazy. And within individual scenes with characters, it often feels like there aren’t real people present. No body feels real, or even like a character. With the exception of a few here in there.

The addiction storyline could be great, if they bothered to really dive deeper into that. The Jules and Rue relationship could be great too, if there was more of a focus there, with more fleshing out. The drug dealer and Rue’s relationship is interesting, Rue looking out for her sister is interesting. There’s a decent show in here. But at the same time, it’s far from it.

And that’s that. I have my opinion, which is an unpopular one. But that’s okay. I think I’ve said much of what’s been on my mind, and I’ll just leave it there.

I just want to note that, as somebody who has read Requiem for a Dream and considers it one of my favorite books, the film bugs the hell out of me specifically because it takes away all the nuance of the characters. In the book, you get a deep understanding of the actual "Dreams" of the characters and how drug abuse slowly whittles away at their ambitions. The movie, in contrast, is very one note and basically boils down to "I'm an addict with no soul. Look at me doing addict things"... the characters in Euphoria who have drug problems are far, far more well rounded in my opinion whether that be Roo or the drug dealer. (It's also why Jesse was so captivating in Breaking Bad).

Lastly, to the people enjoying Euphoria, I highly recommend checking out these two coming of age films:

A) (fairly well known)

B) (not well known)
 
I just want to note that, as somebody who has read Requiem for a Dream and considers it one of my favorite books, the film bugs the hell out of me specifically because it takes away all the nuance of the characters. In the book, you get a deep understanding of the actual "Dreams" of the characters and how drug abuse slowly whittles away at their ambitions. The movie, in contrast, is very one note and basically boils down to "I'm an addict with no soul. Look at me doing addict things"... the characters in Euphoria who have drug problems are far, far more well rounded in my opinion whether that be Roo or the drug dealer. (It's also why Jesse was so captivating in Breaking Bad).

Lastly, to the people enjoying Euphoria, I highly recommend checking out these two coming of age films:

A) (fairly well known)

B) (not well known)

YES!!!! The Perks of Being a Wallflower (book and movie) was so great. I really really connected with it. I've watched it so many times.
 
I am beyond excited.
When people ask me for my favorite book I usually respond "The His Dark Materials trilogy or anything by Vonnegut".

I've been waiting 20+ years for a respectful adaptation just as I waited 20+ years for a truly great X-Men movie (the only comic book series close to my heart)... How funny that Dafne Keen is a lead in both of them.

 
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I am beyond excited.
When people ask me for my favorite book I usually respond "The His Dark Materials trilogy or anything by Vonnegut".

I've been waiting 20+ years for a respectful adaptation just as I waited 20+ years for a truly great X-Men movie (the only comic book series close to my heart)... How funny that Dafne Keen is a lead in both of them.


Need to go back and read these. Remember loving them in middle school.
 
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