Bohnjaggs
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Honestly, the only reason why I want separate threads for each one is because I don't really care to discuss Classics or R&HH. Even before, I would only ever follow the guess thread for Essentials.
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Honestly, the only reason why I want separate threads for each one is because I don't really care to discuss Classics or R&HH. Even before, I would only ever follow the guess thread for Essentials.
Dead C
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Can't you just not discuss it. Hip hop and classics-style albums have actually been Essentials selections a good percentage of the time. Miles. De La Soul. Biggie. Betty Davis, Main Source. Nina Simone. Wells Fargo. Fugees. Big Bill Broonzy. Clipse etc. Essentials isn't even a genre. If you visit the pre-order thread, you don't have to discuss the albums that you're not interested in, or be in every conversation, but that doesn't mean that they can't co-exist. And it's not about one rap or blues album a month, it's multiple albums a day.
I still don't get it.
Enoch
Well-Known Member
They do release a lot of music just not a lot of unique music but I do think your assessment of the guess threads are correct and should at some point be combined.
Dead C
Well-Known Member
They really don't release that much to where it's overwhelming like has been implied. Once a week they might release a couple of albums. On average it's something widely available. At this point, it's mostly pre-orders. We literally have a pre-order thread that not only includes those weekly drops, but endless other drops from all distributors/outlets every single day. The only difference is that, if something has multiple variants and/or retailers, you can comparison shop. How can the regular pre-order thread handle all that weight of overlapping conversations, brand new exclusive reissues, genres, etc. and function perfectly fine, while containing VMP drops within it? But, if an extra VMP color variant is so much as mentioned in the same thread as a different release of theirs, the whole system will shut down?
Dead C
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The truth is that I was a little faded last night, so I rambled off in here, but I still meant what I typed. I'm also completely sober now and about to do the same thing again, so... I don't really have an excuse, anyway. For me, it's the rationale being used to hold onto these threads that I find bothersome, because it just seems incredibly ill thought out and entirely bogus. It's also troubling to me for different reasons. I find that holding onto what I believe are false concepts is creating more problems and that what people believe is creating division is actually the exact opposite of what is actually at the root of it.
Also, really quickly: thanks for this town hall. I will be playing the "crazy widow" who has seen some "suspicious activity" around her farm and warns the town that something is afoot, and it relates to the government and, most likely, extra-terrestrials.
I have a number of thoughts on this that could unfold in pieces during back-and-forths throughout a lengthy discussion in this thread. Instead I'll just dump them all here right now and, those who want to read them, can. Others can choose not to. Just like anything/where else on this forum. Then I'll move out of the way while everyone else continues to make their own cases.
I'll present 2 things that largely control my perspective, not just on this topic, but on life and how I live it, in general. The first is that I know a bit about abuse and the dynamics involved with it. The 2nd is how I interpret positivity and negativity. Both ideas can, and often do, also intersect.
So... the glass is half full vs the glass is half empty. I'm a "the glass looks half empty, but I think I know of an easy way to just fill it up" perspective. That view can often be interpreted as negative by the "just don't mention it. It's good enough. Look, we have half a glass" crowd. The second example is something they believe is positive, but it's definitely not optimism. It's defeatist. Defeatism is the opposite of optimism. You see no hope beyond what's in front of you, so the implication of hope is negative. Meanwhile, you're shutting down those who would look to pursue a better way. I should also point out that, a large majority of the time, the "don't worry about it, half a glass is enough" crowd are still going to get some of that water. So, in reality, they don't really care to hear about or, from those, that don't/won't. It only brings them down. The VMP glass could have easily been filled, but they continuously choose not to. Part of that was because people were letting it slide. Instead, they're focusing on those who are fine with half a glass and ignoring that select others aren't getting any sips at all. What's water for the people, when you're drinking cold pressed juice with the big wigs, anyway?
There was a member praising VMP in the midst of some turmoil in the old forum and I told him that, since he was new, he should get back to me in 6 months. He said he was sorry to disappoint me, but his outlook doesn't change. Maybe, 2 weeks later -- if that -- we get the 48hrs notice thread and, by the time I get there, he's already unloaded on VMP -- and hard, and justifiably so -- a good 5 times in the first couple of pages. I quoted his old post and he vanished for good. Not my intention. I wasn't trying to do an "I told you so" for the sake of it, but to welcome him over and point out that everyone else wasn't just being an asshole for asking about the status of their orders. Because, when we got into it a little the first time, I told him that I didn't see the point of coming in to a situation where people are discussing legitimate concerns/feelings and trying to counteract them with how happy you are and how YOU don't have problems. Sorry if the problems of others sound negative to you. Those people deserved validation for their feelings and, if you can't handle it, then ignore them. You don't have the right to twist that into an attack on you and your sensitivities. Most of the time, that's all that anybody needs; they just need to feel heard. To me, it's both negative, -- and, often, unconscionable -- to try and suffocate the voices and concerns of others, to paint them out to be negative or poisonous for being brave enough to speak up or ask a question. "Their problems make me uncomfortable." How do you think they feel? I think and hope that more people feel validated here and I think that's a good thing. If it seems like it's taking a while to get over, give it time. It's a process. If the people fighting so hard for multiple VMP threads don't understand that it's a process that people are working through.... they should. Especially, when they are expecting the same understanding.
This concept extends to situations like politics where people are expected to always vote for the lesser of 2 evils and anyone who discusses problems that don't directly effect them is "idealistic" or asking "too much." People have different lives, situations, and concerns. During the civil rights era, a good portion of white America hated MLK. They hated Muhammad Ali. People sided on the idea that Jim Crow or segregation was fine and that "those people" should be happy, simply because they weren't slaves anymore. "Why are they complaining? What more do they want?" The stats on that are pretty clear and the percentages high. You can believe you wouldn't have fallen into that camp, but most people did. That mentality persists today and continues to persist until your own kids are drinking lead water. Or, in a much less significant example, until YOUR box shows up mangled, or your ROTM is oversold and YOU are shut out. Basically, until something happens to YOU. So, I always just kind of tried to support those with issues, not because I necessarily had the same issues every time, but because I could and because, even if I don't, folks were being made to feel like they were toxic for asking a question about a situation where they were clearly being screwed over. That entire forum has been labeled as toxic in the past and the people being labeled as toxic were US. Not the precious company that bred a mob to eat each other. Outsider assholes are still screaming about how the forum deserved to be shut down, because we are terrible people. ALL OF US.
And to play off the whole "outsider" concept, we're basically the greasers, like it or not. Personally, I like it just fine. I've always been comfortable with that position, because I've always been forced to live it. Take some pride in that. For others, it's a shocker, because they've always been socs. I feel like some of those people are quarantining themselves and blaming the rest of us, because, in their mind, it's their association with us that has created this thing where, if we just hadn't complained so much, maybe Dad would have never left us!!! How about just blaming your shitty dad, who decided he didn't need a family and wanted to chase his dream of drinking and becoming a big singer/songwriter traveling and playing dive bars? We haven't sent you to the VMP threads. If you don't leave there, that's by choice. When I check someone on reddit for besmirching the VMP forum and accusing us of toxicity, I'm trying to defend every single one of us.
In fact, those of us who are against multiple VMP threads, are actually the ones that defended the right to post VMP exclusives in the pre-order thread, because there was talk by well-meaning admins who thought the mention of VMP in there might upset us, somehow. I don't believe that @Woob_woob is in this thread, but he definitely defended the right to post VMP exclusives in there. We don't want to tell people that space isn't for them to discuss what whey want, too. Plus, what if FIona, or something, finally gets released? We don't get to know about it over there? It's all or nothing for us, where we either have to sit through every other VMP discussion and go all in over in the VMP exclusives thread, or we're left out? We welcome the bleed over. We've come from a place that shut down dissent. Nobody is quarantining anyone to the VMP threads. They're quarantining themselves and -- although it was meant to be respectful to us -- have almost quarantined us out. Nobody will be shamed for staying on with a subscription over there. Some might even want to buy something from time to time. Some have just reduced what they choose to buy from them. Some will never give them another dime. Some find alternate ways to get things on the secondary market or buy different pressings. Some will continue to buy everything. Everybody has different reasons or needs and no one needs to explain themselves. A lot of us are evaluating our own stances and questioning our own choices. I'm not going to judge what you choose to do. The biggest travesty is if you don't step out into the other threads on N&G to get a more realistic view of what this place is. We lose value and dimensionality when you aren't part of it.
Also, really quickly: thanks for this town hall. I will be playing the "crazy widow" who has seen some "suspicious activity" around her farm and warns the town that something is afoot, and it relates to the government and, most likely, extra-terrestrials.
I have a number of thoughts on this that could unfold in pieces during back-and-forths throughout a lengthy discussion in this thread. Instead I'll just dump them all here right now and, those who want to read them, can. Others can choose not to. Just like anything/where else on this forum. Then I'll move out of the way while everyone else continues to make their own cases.
I'll present 2 things that largely control my perspective, not just on this topic, but on life and how I live it, in general. The first is that I know a bit about abuse and the dynamics involved with it. The 2nd is how I interpret positivity and negativity. Both ideas can, and often do, also intersect.
So... the glass is half full vs the glass is half empty. I'm a "the glass looks half empty, but I think I know of an easy way to just fill it up" perspective. That view can often be interpreted as negative by the "just don't mention it. It's good enough. Look, we have half a glass" crowd. The second example is something they believe is positive, but it's definitely not optimism. It's defeatist. Defeatism is the opposite of optimism. You see no hope beyond what's in front of you, so the implication of hope is negative. Meanwhile, you're shutting down those who would look to pursue a better way. I should also point out that, a large majority of the time, the "don't worry about it, half a glass is enough" crowd are still going to get some of that water. So, in reality, they don't really care to hear about or, from those, that don't/won't. It only brings them down. The VMP glass could have easily been filled, but they continuously choose not to. Part of that was because people were letting it slide. Instead, they're focusing on those who are fine with half a glass and ignoring that select others aren't getting any sips at all. What's water for the people, when you're drinking cold pressed juice with the big wigs, anyway?
There was a member praising VMP in the midst of some turmoil in the old forum and I told him that, since he was new, he should get back to me in 6 months. He said he was sorry to disappoint me, but his outlook doesn't change. Maybe, 2 weeks later -- if that -- we get the 48hrs notice thread and, by the time I get there, he's already unloaded on VMP -- and hard, and justifiably so -- a good 5 times in the first couple of pages. I quoted his old post and he vanished for good. Not my intention. I wasn't trying to do an "I told you so" for the sake of it, but to welcome him over and point out that everyone else wasn't just being an asshole for asking about the status of their orders. Because, when we got into it a little the first time, I told him that I didn't see the point of coming in to a situation where people are discussing legitimate concerns/feelings and trying to counteract them with how happy you are and how YOU don't have problems. Sorry if the problems of others sound negative to you. Those people deserved validation for their feelings and, if you can't handle it, then ignore them. You don't have the right to twist that into an attack on you and your sensitivities. Most of the time, that's all that anybody needs; they just need to feel heard. To me, it's both negative, -- and, often, unconscionable -- to try and suffocate the voices and concerns of others, to paint them out to be negative or poisonous for being brave enough to speak up or ask a question. "Their problems make me uncomfortable." How do you think they feel? I think and hope that more people feel validated here and I think that's a good thing. If it seems like it's taking a while to get over, give it time. It's a process. If the people fighting so hard for multiple VMP threads don't understand that it's a process that people are working through.... they should. Especially, when they are expecting the same understanding.
This concept extends to situations like politics where people are expected to always vote for the lesser of 2 evils and anyone who discusses problems that don't directly effect them is "idealistic" or asking "too much." People have different lives, situations, and concerns. During the civil rights era, a good portion of white America hated MLK. They hated Muhammad Ali. People sided on the idea that Jim Crow or segregation was fine and that "those people" should be happy, simply because they weren't slaves anymore. "Why are they complaining? What more do they want?" The stats on that are pretty clear and the percentages high. You can believe you wouldn't have fallen into that camp, but most people did. That mentality persists today and continues to persist until your own kids are drinking lead water. Or, in a much less significant example, until YOUR box shows up mangled, or your ROTM is oversold and YOU are shut out. Basically, until something happens to YOU. So, I always just kind of tried to support those with issues, not because I necessarily had the same issues every time, but because I could and because, even if I don't, folks were being made to feel like they were toxic for asking a question about a situation where they were clearly being screwed over. That entire forum has been labeled as toxic in the past and the people being labeled as toxic were US. Not the precious company that bred a mob to eat each other. Outsider assholes are still screaming about how the forum deserved to be shut down, because we are terrible people. ALL OF US.
And to play off the whole "outsider" concept, we're basically the greasers, like it or not. Personally, I like it just fine. I've always been comfortable with that position, because I've always been forced to live it. Take some pride in that. For others, it's a shocker, because they've always been socs. I feel like some of those people are quarantining themselves and blaming the rest of us, because, in their mind, it's their association with us that has created this thing where, if we just hadn't complained so much, maybe Dad would have never left us!!! How about just blaming your shitty dad, who decided he didn't need a family and wanted to chase his dream of drinking and becoming a big singer/songwriter traveling and playing dive bars? We haven't sent you to the VMP threads. If you don't leave there, that's by choice. When I check someone on reddit for besmirching the VMP forum and accusing us of toxicity, I'm trying to defend every single one of us.
In fact, those of us who are against multiple VMP threads, are actually the ones that defended the right to post VMP exclusives in the pre-order thread, because there was talk by well-meaning admins who thought the mention of VMP in there might upset us, somehow. I don't believe that @Woob_woob is in this thread, but he definitely defended the right to post VMP exclusives in there. We don't want to tell people that space isn't for them to discuss what whey want, too. Plus, what if FIona, or something, finally gets released? We don't get to know about it over there? It's all or nothing for us, where we either have to sit through every other VMP discussion and go all in over in the VMP exclusives thread, or we're left out? We welcome the bleed over. We've come from a place that shut down dissent. Nobody is quarantining anyone to the VMP threads. They're quarantining themselves and -- although it was meant to be respectful to us -- have almost quarantined us out. Nobody will be shamed for staying on with a subscription over there. Some might even want to buy something from time to time. Some have just reduced what they choose to buy from them. Some will never give them another dime. Some find alternate ways to get things on the secondary market or buy different pressings. Some will continue to buy everything. Everybody has different reasons or needs and no one needs to explain themselves. A lot of us are evaluating our own stances and questioning our own choices. I'm not going to judge what you choose to do. The biggest travesty is if you don't step out into the other threads on N&G to get a more realistic view of what this place is. We lose value and dimensionality when you aren't part of it.
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Dead C
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The collapse of that old place had a major silver lining. Needles & Grooves is that silver lining. Anyone who doesn't see that... I can't say you're delusional, but I can say that we have a different perspective. If you want to go back to the other forum, you might need to ask yourself why you can't and recognize whose fault that really is. It's not N&G. I'm not going to call anyone out by name, but before the last forum even ended, I saw posts about how "nothing would ever be good enough" for us. FOR US! FOR US??? The apologies from VMP weren't going to be enough for us. No shit. What would have been enough was for them to just not take it down on us for no discernible reason. To pull out on a ridiculous and unpopular decision. Our pleas weren't good enough for THEM. How much it meant to individuals wasn't ENOUGH for them to just give us a a few more days. At least they exposed themselves to the point that most people united and something beautiful grew out of it. Most of us don't care about them either way. But, at the same time, this isn't a place where you can just silence dissent anymore. Frustrations may be raised, but they are also validated, so that they can eventually move on, and be worked through, rather than being shoved back down your throat until next week, when the same person who argued with you for asking a question is off on their own rant about something else. I think we're pretty supportive here. I also find it very interesting, if not ironic, that this forum has opted for a darker theme, aesthetically, yet it feels like someone has finally opened the skylight. It feels easier to breathe in here for me. It feels brighter, like were' not stuck in a basement anymore. If you feel the opposite way, then please come out of the basement.
The thing is that, the people that feel most isolated or as if there is negativity... Ok. Um... one of the most vocal of them came over here and one of the very first things they posted on their status was that they hoped this place wasn't going to be super negative. What's more negative than leading with that? Then they went to the introduction thread and posted about how much they miss the old place. Most people were happily building the structure for this new city and setting up their new rooms. Whistling while they worked. Who is the one being negative? You've shat on this forum before it's even gotten going. You've entered into this with so much negativity, while the rest of us are super excited and in awe of what we can achieve on our own. Appreciative of the administrators that came together and gave us a second life. Then, some people opted to come and rebuild things exactly like the old place and have quarantined themselves in those areas. There is no guess thread and no need for one, but... WHAT IF DAD COMES BACK?!!! That's what this feels like. "I hope Pauly and Storf come in here. Wouldn't that be great?" No. It wouldn't. That eviction notice literally instructed us to go build them a new shrine to praise them, as they were tearing ours down. They just told, and expected, the mods on reddit to continue to run a sub for them for free. When I went over there the other day to post about the Bespoke Post deal, I partially did it as a reminder that it's not a platform that they run. I'll undercut them with their own product, as long as it's to the benefit of the community.
I, personally, believe that specific people have embraced a victimized stance from the jump, where they believe the lie that this forum is hostile. That the forum is against anyone that still is subscribed to VMP or doesn't aggressively and outwardly hate them. I think that's completely backward. If you just had one thread to discuss the releases, they would focus more on the releases. It's all the dead space between that discussion which breeds the rest of it. There's a RIP VMP Forum thread for that distaste and discussion. Nobody here took your old forum away -- VMP TOOK YOUR FORUM AWAY -- but I've felt hostility as if we did. As if our justified frustrations over there are what killed the forum for those willing to obediently stay quiet. I think that silence is an endorsement of what happens to others, so what is it when you are vocally trying to silence their pain and frustrations, because you're doing well and you don't like the sound of it, because it makes you "uncomfortable"?
Come hang out with us!!! You don't need 5 to 10 threads to avoid the rest of this place. There is a beautiful community of people curating our own experiences and sharing ideas. Let go of the side of the pool. Share your ideas and discover new music and share what you know with other people, rather than avoid it. Or, at the very least, present a valid reason for the need for the VMP name to remain stamped all over the multiple threads swallowing up this new place. N&G isn't against VMP. Being against VMP would still allow them to define us. It doesn't. It actually never did, or should have. And that's kind of the entire point.
The thing is that, the people that feel most isolated or as if there is negativity... Ok. Um... one of the most vocal of them came over here and one of the very first things they posted on their status was that they hoped this place wasn't going to be super negative. What's more negative than leading with that? Then they went to the introduction thread and posted about how much they miss the old place. Most people were happily building the structure for this new city and setting up their new rooms. Whistling while they worked. Who is the one being negative? You've shat on this forum before it's even gotten going. You've entered into this with so much negativity, while the rest of us are super excited and in awe of what we can achieve on our own. Appreciative of the administrators that came together and gave us a second life. Then, some people opted to come and rebuild things exactly like the old place and have quarantined themselves in those areas. There is no guess thread and no need for one, but... WHAT IF DAD COMES BACK?!!! That's what this feels like. "I hope Pauly and Storf come in here. Wouldn't that be great?" No. It wouldn't. That eviction notice literally instructed us to go build them a new shrine to praise them, as they were tearing ours down. They just told, and expected, the mods on reddit to continue to run a sub for them for free. When I went over there the other day to post about the Bespoke Post deal, I partially did it as a reminder that it's not a platform that they run. I'll undercut them with their own product, as long as it's to the benefit of the community.
I, personally, believe that specific people have embraced a victimized stance from the jump, where they believe the lie that this forum is hostile. That the forum is against anyone that still is subscribed to VMP or doesn't aggressively and outwardly hate them. I think that's completely backward. If you just had one thread to discuss the releases, they would focus more on the releases. It's all the dead space between that discussion which breeds the rest of it. There's a RIP VMP Forum thread for that distaste and discussion. Nobody here took your old forum away -- VMP TOOK YOUR FORUM AWAY -- but I've felt hostility as if we did. As if our justified frustrations over there are what killed the forum for those willing to obediently stay quiet. I think that silence is an endorsement of what happens to others, so what is it when you are vocally trying to silence their pain and frustrations, because you're doing well and you don't like the sound of it, because it makes you "uncomfortable"?
Come hang out with us!!! You don't need 5 to 10 threads to avoid the rest of this place. There is a beautiful community of people curating our own experiences and sharing ideas. Let go of the side of the pool. Share your ideas and discover new music and share what you know with other people, rather than avoid it. Or, at the very least, present a valid reason for the need for the VMP name to remain stamped all over the multiple threads swallowing up this new place. N&G isn't against VMP. Being against VMP would still allow them to define us. It doesn't. It actually never did, or should have. And that's kind of the entire point.
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Sebastian
It’s Wool…
Holy shit, dude.
heartswells
Member
I’m not gonna lie, and I can imagine there are many more like me who generally use this forum just for updates on vinyl releases, but for me 90% of my time on this forum, on Vinyl Collective and on the old VMP forum is just to see what new releases are upcoming and what the upcoming releases for certain clubs are. If people haven’t already ventured out I doubt that’s because they don’t know what the rest of the forum has to offer, they’re just not arsed. I’ll occasionally post in poptarts and general music list threads but that’s where my interest lies.
Regarding negativity produced by VMP threads, well we’re gonna keep getting that when people want to post their frustrations in those threads, getting rid of the store thread just moves all that into another VMP one. You’ve seen how many store exclusives get delayed, if that discussion was almost limited to the preorder thread you know each time would spark a bunch of other replies airing out their grievances with VMP.
I’d be more than happy to keep current discussions to five threads, and like you said, those who want to read them, can, others can choose not to.
doncornelius
Well-Known Member
I am for five threads because that is how many we have now, and forcefully removing one or more would be distasteful.
As for additional threads, this place already has a policy of avoiding threads that cover overspecific derivative subjects, and I don't see how VMP deserves a preferential treatment.
As for additional threads, this place already has a policy of avoiding threads that cover overspecific derivative subjects, and I don't see how VMP deserves a preferential treatment.
Enoch
Well-Known Member
I never was arguing the exclusives should have their own thread forever, but it does make sense for there to be a store thread right now
roffle24
Member
I definitely don't have as strong of an opinion on the above topics as some others, but I just enjoyed VMP's forum setup for what I cared about. I realize some that have come over here have since cancelled VMP and don't want to be bothered with it, but VMP is where we came from, so it's natural that most conversation would be around their store, still. I understand this is a general vinyl forum, but some stores/topics/threads are going to be more popular than others. If people want the VMP threads to calm down in the "Vinyl Club" board, have we considered making a VMP specific board for the VMP related posts, and moving the threads there? Not sure if this is possible, or if that's even a direction this site wants to go in, just a thought.
As for those who cancelled VMP, are festering anger, or are being negative, why are you in the VMP threads to begin with?
On a semi-related topic. I used to really like the stock checks threads. Obviously with storf not being on these forums there's not a "stock check" for specific VMP releases, but I'd like to see a "Low Stock" or "Re-stock" thread across all platforms to some degree. It's nice to know if you're interested in something and it might sell out soon to grab it before it's gone, or if you missed it and its available again.
As for those who cancelled VMP, are festering anger, or are being negative, why are you in the VMP threads to begin with?
On a semi-related topic. I used to really like the stock checks threads. Obviously with storf not being on these forums there's not a "stock check" for specific VMP releases, but I'd like to see a "Low Stock" or "Re-stock" thread across all platforms to some degree. It's nice to know if you're interested in something and it might sell out soon to grab it before it's gone, or if you missed it and its available again.
Enoch
Well-Known Member
because the hurt is still very real and seems like the best place to vent instead of it taking up other threads, I am not in that boat but I understand it
roffle24
Member
Yeah, I definitely understand the hurt is still there and I'm honestly not that bothered with some complaining of ex VMP users and the such.
I meant this more in the fashion that eventually there needs to be some self realization. I realize it's only been a little over 2 weeks since the forums going down....but coming onto these forums every day and complaining about your frustrations about a product that you don't even subscribe to any longer isn't helping anyone. I'm not saying "cancel and move on", but eventually people have to let it go.
Enoch
Well-Known Member
which should decrease the activity on all of them and I think the threads will begin to dwindle naturally as there is less connection to VMP hence the idea of this poll and the exploration of it again in three months as the current results weren't unexpected
goodoohuru
Member
Just because people cancelled their memberships doesn't mean they lose the right to discuss the albums VMP release. They're still able to purchase from VMP, read the reviews etc...they're just not locked in, for whatever reason. For me, this latest round of ROTMS did nothing for me and on the back of all that has transpired recently, I have zero reason to hang around or give them money at the moment.
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But equally recreating your ex’s old house piece by piece in your new gaff isn’t healthy either.
ByersVinyl
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RecordTown
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I agree with you about a separate thread for swaps, I just want to see news on exclusives, I’m still part of #TeamNoSwaps
ByersVinyl
Well-Known Member
Im sure this has been said multiple times, but cant this all be self governing. A thread will slip down the order if getting no posts and die.
If each of the “track threads start getting limited posts, then maybe they could be combined.
Although when a big release drops one month or some other VMP related disaster occurs, that thread is bound to be popular. Im just saying whats the big deal having even 10 threads if they are used ?
If each of the “track threads start getting limited posts, then maybe they could be combined.
Although when a big release drops one month or some other VMP related disaster occurs, that thread is bound to be popular. Im just saying whats the big deal having even 10 threads if they are used ?
roffle24
Member
It's also not everyone's ex.
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