You’re right. I don’t get it, Juiceless wasnt always like this.
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You’re right. I don’t get it, Juiceless wasnt always like this.
NathanRicaud
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Actually never-mind, I re-listened to the album and I just couldn’t! Future’s rapping and singing is just awful on this album unfortunately! The singing especially is awful and the most of the production is average! 
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So yeah, even though the colour variant looks great, I won’t be picking up this ROTM! I’d be more than happy though if VMP gave it to me for free, as I love the track “Move That Dope”! I’d love blasting that song and dance and twerk and get my energy up and act like I’m boss as fuck!
🗑So yeah, even though the colour variant looks great, I won’t be picking up this ROTM! I’d be more than happy though if VMP gave it to me for free, as I love the track “Move That Dope”! I’d love blasting that song and dance and twerk and get my energy up and act like I’m boss as fuck!
I won i feel is the most explicitely BLEH song on the album... i'm pretty sure even future somewhat regrets making this but hey if you like it no skin off my back i just dont have to pay another 30 bucksActually never-mind, I re-listened to the album and I just couldn’t! Future’s rapping and singing is just awful on this album unfortunately! The singing especially is awful and the most of the production is average!
So yeah, even though the colour variant looks great, I won’t be picking up this ROTM! I’d be more than happy though if VMP gave it to me for free, as I love the track “Move That Dope”! I’d love blasting that song and dance and twerk and get my energy up and act like I’m boss as fuck!
wingclipper
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Also, I don’t mean this as any disrespect to the moderators but I did find the comment about all of us hippity hoppers and rappity rap fans causing a rawkus on this here forum. You people need to be more like these nice and quiet devendra banhart fans!
wingclipper
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I meant I did find it funny. It reminded me of my mom and grandparents in the 90s when they thought hip hop was going to rot my brain along with video games.
Joke was on them though, cable news rotted their brains before rap and video games got to mine!
Joke was on them though, cable news rotted their brains before rap and video games got to mine!
Dead C
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Actually never-mind, I re-listened to the album and I just couldn’t! Future’s rapping and singing is just awful on this album unfortunately! The singing especially is awful and the most of the production is average!
So yeah, even though the colour variant looks great, I won’t be picking up this ROTM! I’d be more than happy though if VMP gave it to me for free, as I love the track “Move That Dope”! I’d love blasting that song and dance and twerk and get my energy up and act like I’m boss as fuck!
As an old guy, I'm not trying to trash all young rappers. I honestly think that a lot of people slept on that Polo G album over the last couple of days and now it's sold out/removed from his site. That being said, I could never get into the type of shit that I'd heard from Future, so I never tried to give him any real chance. Now I did. I just listened to this album and, for me... the nicest way that I could put it would be to say that it's tired and uninspired, at best.
I should say at this point that I'm genuinely happy for whoever is excited about this one. If this is an album you want, then you're getting a solid looking package and a deluxe version on top of that.
Now that that's out of the way, I'm about to rag on it a bit, so I'm going to use a spoiler tag so nobody that's happy needs to see my negativity. If you love it, you love it. My shitty opinions are just my shitty opinions and you probably don't want to read them. I do, however, want respond to respond/add to what @NathanRicaud posted, so I'll do that below.
This album for me... yikes. You don't have to be the greatest lyricist and you don't even have to rap about the deepest most introspective material, but I'm really not into listening to other people spitting about penetration constantly. It feels like someone bragging about how they kissed a girl at camp, or has a girlfriend, but she lives in Canada, but at the highest level. Don't talk about it, be about it. Not sure who started this trend where people have to hear about "pussy dripping" on every track, but it doesn't do it for me. And I guess that I can't even trip about the content, but the delivery, because I look at Kool Keith as one of the greats and I love Sex Style. Season Of Da Siccness is also one of my favorites and Lynch is straight up eating babies on that album. Still, there's a point where bragging about hooking up with chicks just isn't impressive like it might have been if I was in 6th grade and some older kid bragged about touching a boob.
There was a really weird thing that started happening in the 90s once they started mixing R&B with rap verses -- you know, when every shitty pop song needed to have a rap verse in the middle of it like a narrator doing some interlude. Some cat like Ja Rule would make a song about cheating on his girlfriend and then follow it up with a love song about never cheating on her. Back to back, every fucking time. It was a formula. First single was one and the second was the other. MTV. All day. And none of those fools ever seemed like they were really about shit, because they'd even contradict themselves within the same song, sometimes. Pick a lane. There's a good amount of that shit here on this album.
"Move That Dope" probably has the best beat on the album, even if I don't think I need to know that Mike Will Made It, every time he does. Lyrically, it's still pretty wack, unfortunately, and seems like they just needed a dope slanging song, as if that added depth to the album. So, they are hyping pushing dope, and then Pusha T comes in to say that it's actually not that cool and he knows better, in his older age, but then drops a couple of lines about how he was so slick back int he day and been there. Pharrell needs to come up with something too, even though that's not really his life. It's a little weird, but... even then, this is definitely a standout on the album. I agree with you.
The Kanye feature on "I won" might be the most cringeworthy spot on the album. This is supposed to be the love joint and it's all about viewing your lady like a trophy. Before this, Future keeps rapping about how none of these women mean shit to him and he'll just replace them and fuck their friends. Then he comes in with the "romance" tune. So, again, nothing of substance. I guess she looks hot? Kanye comes out and fully exposes his whole deal with his high school mentality regarding his whole history tracking down Kim Kardashian, because he, essentially, wanted the status of being with a popular girl. That's already apparent, but he lays it out here. Right out the gate he admits she's a trophy wife. He talks about fucking her on a motorcycle in the Bound video. But, the creepiest part is how he mentions all of her sisters by name and says that her mom only gives birth to trophies. Almost as bad is how it sounds so thrown together.
The one track that really caught me off guard was "Benz Friends," because it's basically just an Andre 3000 joint. Not only that, but after an album of Future talking about his watches and cars, this song is all about how none of that shit matters and it's shallow materialistic garbage. Uh oh! He's sold his entire value on that and someone let out the cat. And again, it's basically all Andre 3000. He spits all the versus and most of the chorus. That and "Move That Dope" are the only real memorable moments for me, and they sound different than anything else, which is really good in this situation.
This album feels really cobbled together with zero direction and patched up with auto tune. Dude should have released this under the name Features, because it relies heavily on names from Wiz Khalifa to Drake, when they either don't bring anything to the table or out rap him. "Move That Dope" sounds the most consistent throughout, at least regarding multiple rappers on a track. I don't count "Benz Friends" because Future sounds like the feature on his own track. Drake is also still corny to me and that song is short as fuck. He just pops in long enough to claim that he can't stop cheating in a half brag about fucking his girl's friend. Whenever he's bragging on a song, I half expect it to stop abruptly when someone finds a wire on him. He's so unconvincing. Dude is forever wheelchair Jimmy from Degrassi, no matter how much he wants everyone to believe he has clout in the streets of Memphis. But that's a whole other thing. This isn't his album, but he sure as fuck doesn't help on it.
@NathanRicaud, you seem to specify that it's this Future album in particular that you have an issue with. I've only heard tracks, but never a full album. Now that I have, it's official official that I don't want to fuck with this dude at all. If you recommended something, what project do you like from him? Also, best use of emojis yet.
There was a really weird thing that started happening in the 90s once they started mixing R&B with rap verses -- you know, when every shitty pop song needed to have a rap verse in the middle of it like a narrator doing some interlude. Some cat like Ja Rule would make a song about cheating on his girlfriend and then follow it up with a love song about never cheating on her. Back to back, every fucking time. It was a formula. First single was one and the second was the other. MTV. All day. And none of those fools ever seemed like they were really about shit, because they'd even contradict themselves within the same song, sometimes. Pick a lane. There's a good amount of that shit here on this album.
"Move That Dope" probably has the best beat on the album, even if I don't think I need to know that Mike Will Made It, every time he does. Lyrically, it's still pretty wack, unfortunately, and seems like they just needed a dope slanging song, as if that added depth to the album. So, they are hyping pushing dope, and then Pusha T comes in to say that it's actually not that cool and he knows better, in his older age, but then drops a couple of lines about how he was so slick back int he day and been there. Pharrell needs to come up with something too, even though that's not really his life. It's a little weird, but... even then, this is definitely a standout on the album. I agree with you.
The Kanye feature on "I won" might be the most cringeworthy spot on the album. This is supposed to be the love joint and it's all about viewing your lady like a trophy. Before this, Future keeps rapping about how none of these women mean shit to him and he'll just replace them and fuck their friends. Then he comes in with the "romance" tune. So, again, nothing of substance. I guess she looks hot? Kanye comes out and fully exposes his whole deal with his high school mentality regarding his whole history tracking down Kim Kardashian, because he, essentially, wanted the status of being with a popular girl. That's already apparent, but he lays it out here. Right out the gate he admits she's a trophy wife. He talks about fucking her on a motorcycle in the Bound video. But, the creepiest part is how he mentions all of her sisters by name and says that her mom only gives birth to trophies. Almost as bad is how it sounds so thrown together.
The one track that really caught me off guard was "Benz Friends," because it's basically just an Andre 3000 joint. Not only that, but after an album of Future talking about his watches and cars, this song is all about how none of that shit matters and it's shallow materialistic garbage. Uh oh! He's sold his entire value on that and someone let out the cat. And again, it's basically all Andre 3000. He spits all the versus and most of the chorus. That and "Move That Dope" are the only real memorable moments for me, and they sound different than anything else, which is really good in this situation.
This album feels really cobbled together with zero direction and patched up with auto tune. Dude should have released this under the name Features, because it relies heavily on names from Wiz Khalifa to Drake, when they either don't bring anything to the table or out rap him. "Move That Dope" sounds the most consistent throughout, at least regarding multiple rappers on a track. I don't count "Benz Friends" because Future sounds like the feature on his own track. Drake is also still corny to me and that song is short as fuck. He just pops in long enough to claim that he can't stop cheating in a half brag about fucking his girl's friend. Whenever he's bragging on a song, I half expect it to stop abruptly when someone finds a wire on him. He's so unconvincing. Dude is forever wheelchair Jimmy from Degrassi, no matter how much he wants everyone to believe he has clout in the streets of Memphis. But that's a whole other thing. This isn't his album, but he sure as fuck doesn't help on it.
@NathanRicaud, you seem to specify that it's this Future album in particular that you have an issue with. I've only heard tracks, but never a full album. Now that I have, it's official official that I don't want to fuck with this dude at all. If you recommended something, what project do you like from him? Also, best use of emojis yet.
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BazookaTooth
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i wish we'd talk more about Rawkus in here though .
kinda sad though when people tell each other to fuck off in here. thats not what this place is about , to me at least.
Dead C
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This isn't the Rap thread though. This is the VMP RHH thread, so it would be nice if they gave us a reason to talk about Rawkus by releasing something from their catalog
supahypeag
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Future seems stuck in the past
Awesome spot
I knew VMP would deliver the deluxe even though its the standard cover. Im pumped for this. This vinyl just went up to 11 in my book 
Jonathan Y
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Whelp. Only one thing to do...more Mach Hommy
Been listening to MMLP, Igor, High Off Life & DS2 all day. DS2 is a classic @NathanRicaud im happy to say that. Kno the meaning is my jam
Fuck up some commas, Rich Sex too but them all
Fuck up some commas, Rich Sex too but them all
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Think I’m in for all 3 this month unless anything wild shows up in swaps. That future package looks really nice and there are enough bangers on it that Its a keep for me. Both the King and the White Stripes albums are fantastic . I’m at the end of the 3 months promo for my 2nd acct so hopefully I can swap a Shabaka on that one .
NathanRicaud
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@Dead C - I agree that Future’s album “Honest” sounds tiring and uninspired! “Move That Dope“ definitely has the best beat on the album and I think all verses are solid and all versus bring a unique sense of humour! Pusha T’s verse is incredibly strong, and has amazing punch lines! Pharrell’s verse is cool and left field and Casino brings a really nice energy to the track! It’s just an all round exceptional braggadocio, slick posse cut!
Benz Friends probably is the second best cut on the album but it’s nothing amazing! André 3000 does sound good however but Future just sounds like a ‘cheap’ placeholder in between his versus unfortunately.
I would rate Honest a 3/10. It does have some decent production but Future’s performance on most songs are extremely mediocre.
DS2 is Future’s best album and I would personally rate is around an 8.8/10! It’s intoxicating, hazy, rich, moody yet has a vibrant energy to it. Future’s voice becomes more of an instrument, yet his tone is very articulate! He shows urgency, yet mellowness really nicely on the album. He seems to be more sincere on this album too and the production is simply outstanding on this album! I highly recommend it and really wished I had the VMP pressing of it!
Apart from DS2, there isn’t a single Future album I recommend. The rest of his discography is a mixed bag for me, with Honest being one of his weakest projects, despite having the killer posse cut “Move That Dope”!
Benz Friends probably is the second best cut on the album but it’s nothing amazing! André 3000 does sound good however but Future just sounds like a ‘cheap’ placeholder in between his versus unfortunately.
I would rate Honest a 3/10. It does have some decent production but Future’s performance on most songs are extremely mediocre.
DS2 is Future’s best album and I would personally rate is around an 8.8/10! It’s intoxicating, hazy, rich, moody yet has a vibrant energy to it. Future’s voice becomes more of an instrument, yet his tone is very articulate! He shows urgency, yet mellowness really nicely on the album. He seems to be more sincere on this album too and the production is simply outstanding on this album! I highly recommend it and really wished I had the VMP pressing of it!
Apart from DS2, there isn’t a single Future album I recommend. The rest of his discography is a mixed bag for me, with Honest being one of his weakest projects, despite having the killer posse cut “Move That Dope”!
Do you like Migos Nathan....gonna go on a hunch and say no
NathanRicaud
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I don’t really care for Migos, but I think their album “Culture” was pretty great! There were some outstanding songs on there! “T-Shirt” was definitely one of the best tracks of 2017! That track is the definition of intoxicating!
T shirt is pretty cool. I love how Takeoff the most underrated Migo made it his own. Everyone talks Offset and Quavo but Takeoff is a dark horse in that group. Do you like trap? Like Gucci? Or not too keen i feel?
NathanRicaud
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Yeah, Takeoff’s performance on that song is extremely effortless and skilful! It’s like he’s doing vocal acrobatics but it’s so slick, you don’t view it as that! He easily is the best on T-Shirt!
I do like trap! Trap is a very diverse genre and there’s many sub-genres of it!
I honestly feel like Playboi Carti revived trap to sound fresh and exciting with his masterpiece “Die Lit”! The trap production is minimal, atmospheric, warped and digitalised sounding! Playboi Carti’s ad-libs and punk aurora matches the trap production so well!
Other trap albums I absolutely love are Travis Scott’s “Rodeo”, Future’s “DS2”, Waka Flocka Flame’s “Flockaveli” and Megan Thee Stallion’s “Fever”
I love the trap-infused, dark aggressive bangers on Denzel Curry’s TA13OO, the moody, stealthy, dark, nocturnal trap bangers on Drake’s If You’re Reading This It’s Too Late, the braggadocio, mafia, trap-southern infused bangers on Rick Ross’ Teflon Don and the syrupy, dizzying, woozy trap songs on Young Thug’s Barter 6!
So yeah, I like trap! I’m obviously critical but I enjoy a lot of trap music overall! Most trap music I don’t care for, but when it’s done well, it’s amazing!
PineapplePhantom
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Just gonna hop in to say that while I like this project, don’t love it but it’s solid, it’s probably one of the worst ones to choose to try and get into Future with as it came at a weird point in his career. Would strongly strongly recommend giving Monster or DS2 a go but if you don’t like those then it’s very fair to say he isn’t to your tastes.
Monster is the best example of a project where Future focuses on the type of dark introspective trap tunes that he often gets lauded for but isn’t really represented in his more mainstream features or his singles.
DS2 is probably the best halfway point between a poppy/mainstream Future release and something more brooding like Monster, and possibly has the best production of any of his projects.
If you wanted a taster of that side of things the tunes March Madness, Codeiene Crazy and Thought It Was A Drought are probably a more convincing case for his quality than all the best moments on Honest combined. Just my two cents but I understand Future is not for everyone!
I kind of like it just because I’m a Philadelphia Eagles fan and I’m sure that song make Russell Wilson cry just a little inside .