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AnthonyI said:
If you read nothing of this article, I'll give you this........
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“How can the rest of the world expect America to lead on global threats — climate change, the extinction crisis, pandemics — when the country no longer has a sense of benign purpose, or collective well-being, even within its own national community? Flag-wrapped patriotism is no substitute for compassion; anger and hostility no match for love. Those who flock to beaches, bars, and political rallies, putting their fellow citizens at risk, are not exercising freedom; they are displaying, as one commentator has noted, the weakness of a people who lack both the stoicism to endure the pandemic and the fortitude to defeat it. Leading their charge is Donald Trump, a bone spur warrior, a liar and a fraud, a grotesque caricature of a strong man, with the backbone of a bully.”
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Holy shit -- odds that this actually ends the NRA? Guessing you don't announce a suit like this against an org like that if you don't think it's bulletproof (so to speak), because the blowback is gonna be intense.

Also wonder if/to what degree the Biden campaign was aware of this possibility, because this certainly gives the right a non-Trump shiny object to rally around in the 90 days left before the election.
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Weigel with the counter-point:

 
Space Wanderer said:
Weigel with the counter-point:

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Well, I think Weigel is misconstruing the concern a bit in that tweet. It's not necessarily about swing voters, but about whether this does anything to the enthusiasm gap on the right, i.e. people who voted Trump in 2016 and might be just disillusioned enough not to vote at all in 2020.

If it doesn't have a substantial impact, great. The NRA's influence has been waning under mismanagement and bad PR for a few years now, so maybe it's not the third rail juggernaut it might have been at one time...but I definitely do not think it's unwarranted hand-wringing to wonder how much a case against the biggest 2A lobbying group there is might impact a national election that is less than 3 months away. Especially in this, of all years. Hope he's right, though.
 
www.cnn.com

Donald Trump claims Joe Biden, a devout Catholic, wants to 'hurt God' - CNN Video

CNN's Jeremy Diamond reports that President Trump has been trying to associate presumptive democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden with the "radical left" and shore up support among evangelical voters.
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Umm, what :oops:

Biden is going to take away reglision, guns, hurt god... Trump just keeps going on with bizarre false claims.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Well, I think Weigel is misconstruing the concern a bit in that tweet. It's not necessarily about swing voters, but about whether this does anything to the enthusiasm gap on the right, i.e. people who voted Trump in 2016 and might be just disillusioned enough not to vote at all in 2020.

If it doesn't have a substantial impact, great. The NRA's influence has been waning under mismanagement and bad PR for a few years now, so maybe it's not the third rail juggernaut it might have been at one time...but I definitely do not think it's unwarranted hand-wringing to wonder how much a case against the biggest 2A lobbying group there is might impact a national election that is less than 3 months away. Especially in this, of all years. Hope he's right, though.
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Sure, except inasmuch as “base enthusiasm” strategies will (almost by definition) be less effective in swing states than they are in states that are already in the pocket. In other words, you could almost replace the word “voter” with “state” in his tweet (which would actually make it closer to the point he was making in the prior tweet).

Trump’s entire campaign so far - especially if you conceptualize his “campaign” as beginning as soon as he took office - has been based on the type of ”base energization” strategies in question here. And you can see where it’s gotten him, especially in the critical states. Yet there is a certain type of Democrat who remains terrified of it.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
My father says that the second amendment protects the NRA, and that this lawsuit is not constitutional.

First off, the NRA isn't the rights to bare arms. Secondly it doesn't protect them from charges of money laundering.
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Ask your dad if he’d feel the same way about a similar lawsuit being brought against the ACLU, and if not why not.
 
Overnight Trump signed an Executive order banning TikTok and WeChat in the United States.

No United States company can do business with either TikTok or WeChat. They have 45 days to end current current business before hit with sanctions.
 
Talks have broken down and it looks like no stimulus will be passed this month. Democrats and Republicans can't see eye to eye. The next chance to push a stimulus through will be in September when the next federal budget needs to be approved.

There was a last ditch effort last night to try to come to a deal, but all talks ended up breaking down.

It's coming out now that the issue was the GOP's unwillingness to negotiate with the Democrats.

The democrats wanted a $3.4 Trillion Relief package. The GOP wanted a $1 Trillion.

The democrats were willing to cave and said if you go up $1 Trillion and make this a $2 relief package we will meet all your other demands. That deal was better than meeting in the middle. GOP goes up by 1 and the Democrats go down by 1.4.

However the GOP said the rest to go up by $1 Trillion is "a non-starter".

Currently there are 20 republicans in the senate that will not vote yes for any kind of relief package. And those that would will not go higher than $1 Trillion. Both Pelosi and Schumer said any lower than $2 Trillion and you wouldn't have enough votes from the democrats to pass anything.

On a private call with GOP senators earlier in the day on Friday, Mnuchin and Meadows said they believed that the Democrats' demand for nearly $1 trillion for state and local government is the biggest sticking point over a deal, multiple sources told CNN.
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And ofcourse the GOP is blaming the "do nothing democrats" for not getting a deal.

The Republicans relief package focused more on business loans than personal aid. And they were to give a $600 stimulus, not a second $1200 to anyone who was listed as currently employed. You heard that right, they weren't going to send it to people who lost their job due to COVID-19.
 
Trump just held a evening press confrence. It can be summed up as the following.

A bizarre fact about about how the economy has created more jobs in the last 3 months than anytime in American history. Yet he failed to mention this followed great depression level job loses during state shutdowns because of COVID-19. He called COVID-19 "The Chinese Virus" at every mention. He is placing all blame on the Democrats for holding the stimulus and expanded unemployment hostage because the radical left wants to pass radical changes unrelated to "the chinese virus" as a condition of the stimulus. Trump says if the democrats don't act he will be executive order extend expanded unemployment through the end of the year. He will also defer student loan payments and interest through the end of the year as well is issue a payroll tax cut through the end of the year.

Both the GOP and Democrats have no interest in the payroll tax cut because that's how social security is funded. No payroll tax through the end of the year would bankrupt the system leading to another crisis to solve.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Trump just held a evening press confrence. It can be summed up as the following.

A bizarre fact about about how the economy has created more jobs in the last 3 months than anytime in American history. Yet he failed to mention this followed great depression level job loses during state shutdowns because of COVID-19. He called COVID-19 "The Chinese Virus" at every mention. He is placing all blame on the Democrats for holding the stimulus and expanded unemployment hostage because the radical left wants to pass radical changes unrelated to "the chinese virus" as a condition of the stimulus. Trump says if the democrats don't act he will be executive order extend expanded unemployment through the end of the year. He will also defer student loan payments and interest through the end of the year as well is issue a payroll tax cut through the end of the year.

Both the GOP and Democrats have no interest in the payroll tax cut because that's how social security is funded. No payroll tax through the end of the year would bankrupt the system leading to another crisis to solve.
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The other, and arguably larger (at least in the immediate term) problem with the payroll tax cut is that you have to be on a payroll to benefit from it.
 
Space Wanderer said:
The other, and arguably larger (at least in the immediate term) problem with the payroll tax cut is that you have to be on a payroll to benefit from it.
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Well, that's only really a concern on one side of the aisle unfortunately. Not just for many GOP lawmakers but many registered republican voters as well.

See Twitter thread below.





While we may see Jim Lanham as trolling, he and people like my father when I shared this thread with last night, think the person who is calling Jim is a liberal Troll or very ignorant.

The GOP and registered republican voters either do not understand wage inequality or they are willfully ignorant to it.

This twitter thread disgusts me with out Jim believes workers are getting paid exactly what they are owed.

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debianlinux said:
Nobody earns a billion dollars.
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Sure they can. All they have to do is make all the right life decisions and be skilled labor. It has nothing to do with connections connections you have when coming from wealth that open all the right doors to exploit the working class to make profits.

I'd also like to argue that much of the working class is not unskilled labor either. Outside of the service industry much of that labor is highly skilled trades tor requires college degrees. Yet these peoples wages have been stagnant for 40 years whereas once a very good middle class wage is now puttin you close to poverty because the cost of living has gone up.

Went to college and got buried in student loan debt? That's a poor life decision according to these people. You should have worked harder to pay your way through school and not have taken out loans.
 
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