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Covid-19's full death toll is nearly three times higher than reported, WHO data suggests | CNN

About 14.9 million people around the world died as a direct or indirect result of Covid-19 in the period between January 1, 2020, and December 31, 2021, according to new estimates from the World Health Organization -- nearly three times more deaths than were officially reported.
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It comes to no surprise to me that the actual death toll is higher than what has been reported.

The latest WHO data suggest that it is 3 times higher actually.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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Covid-19's full death toll is nearly three times higher than reported, WHO data suggests | CNN

About 14.9 million people around the world died as a direct or indirect result of Covid-19 in the period between January 1, 2020, and December 31, 2021, according to new estimates from the World Health Organization -- nearly three times more deaths than were officially reported.
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It comes to no surprise to me that the actual death toll is higher than what has been reported.

The latest WHO data suggest that it is 3 times higher actually.
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Many experts believe that here in the US, we are counting about one case in seven.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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Covid-19's full death toll is nearly three times higher than reported, WHO data suggests | CNN

About 14.9 million people around the world died as a direct or indirect result of Covid-19 in the period between January 1, 2020, and December 31, 2021, according to new estimates from the World Health Organization -- nearly three times more deaths than were officially reported.
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It comes to no surprise to me that the actual death toll is higher than what has been reported.

The latest WHO data suggest that it is 3 times higher actually.
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The simplest and most crude way to measure this is look at worldwide deaths before the pandemic and them looks at it during the pandemic. I’m sure there was a spike.
 
Dtknuckles said:
The simplest and most crude way to measure this is look at worldwide deaths before the pandemic and them looks at it during the pandemic. I’m sure there was a spike.
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Oh for sure. There is a great deal of extra deaths unaccounted for that likely belong to covid.

Wonder how they didn't die from covid, they died with covid arguments fit into this.
 
Dtknuckles said:
The simplest and most crude way to measure this is look at worldwide deaths before the pandemic and them looks at it during the pandemic. I’m sure there was a spike.
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But there was also the young people dying mystery too.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”

OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. The company has approximately 2,400 employees and sells life insurance, including group life insurance to employers nationwide.


Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”

Davison was one of several business leaders who spoke during the virtual news conference on Dec. 30 that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.

Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said.

“What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”
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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

(The Center Square) – The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.
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I actually saw a deeper analysis on the deaths and it was found that the lion's share of deaths in this younger age cohort were due to neoplasms (cancer) and dementia--I was surprised that this wasn't due to suicide or overdose, but if you take these incidences out, it barely changes your death rate. And that 2020 levels for the deaths of these conditions are much higher than 2019.

This was a head scratcher for me until I came across another study that found that people who had problems paying for cancer care were about 10 to 20% more likely to die of cancer. I do wonder if we saw excess deaths in this younger cohort due to loss of health insurance or the limiting of health insurance in 2020--or just the general issue of everything getting more expensive.

While yes, you are absolutely right, the easiest and the most valid way to get these stats is by extrapolating based on deaths before vs after, but I think that this statistic will probably suffer from overcounting when it comes to younger cohorts. We really need to look at 1. the affects of long term covid on younger people and 2. the sudden spike of deaths in this cohort to figure out why they are getting more sick from conditions that they were not dying from in such great rates pre pandemic.

This is immensely interesting to me and I could go on, but I will limit myself because no one else gets this geeky over population statistics.
 
Not really a big sharer of personal life stuff on here but am sharing because I am wondering how other folks have dealt with Covid.

I tested positive last week Monday after having some light symptoms on Saturday and Sunday of that weekend. My girlfriend and I have been working remote for the past 2 years and decided to come back, voluntarily, into the office two weeks before I tested positive, in Mid-April. The office is a huge converted warehouse with 30ft ceilings. At any time there's maybe 12 people in the building that normally would house at least 120 people. The closest person to me is about 10 feet away. On that Monday, I started working remote that day because I thought I just had a cold. My close sitting coworker chatted me and asked how I was feeling because he had a fever and congestion over the weekend but had a negative PCR test. I did an at home which was positive and then positive PCR results a day later. We don't go anywhere unmasked since then and I still grocery shop and run errands with a mask but the only maskless place was sitting at our desks.

Anyways, it was lousy for about 3 days and then I've been back to work remote dealing with just some nasal congestion and off-and-on mucus since then. I was hopeful that 8 days after first testing positive with the at-home test I'd have been cleared today. Still positive 😩. I've felt fine, exercised by taking some walks more days than I've not and even took an 8 mile bike ride yesterday. Not fatigued in the slightest.

For anyone who's had it recently, how long did it take for you to test negative after having it?

My predicament is that I have tickets for a music festival this weekend that I was hoping to go to but I may have to flip them if I'm still testing positive up until then.
 
wokeupnew said:
Not really a big sharer of personal life stuff on here but am sharing because I am wondering how other folks have dealt with Covid.

I tested positive last week Monday after having some light symptoms on Saturday and Sunday of that weekend. My girlfriend and I have been working remote for the past 2 years and decided to come back, voluntarily, into the office two weeks before I tested positive, in Mid-April. The office is a huge converted warehouse with 30ft ceilings. At any time there's maybe 12 people in the building that normally would house at least 120 people. The closest person to me is about 10 feet away. On that Monday, I started working remote that day because I thought I just had a cold. My close sitting coworker chatted me and asked how I was feeling because he had a fever and congestion over the weekend but had a negative PCR test. I did an at home which was positive and then positive PCR results a day later. We don't go anywhere unmasked since then and I still grocery shop and run errands with a mask but the only maskless place was sitting at our desks.

Anyways, it was lousy for about 3 days and then I've been back to work remote dealing with just some nasal congestion and off-and-on mucus since then. I was hopeful that 8 days after first testing positive with the at-home test I'd have been cleared today. Still positive 😩. I've felt fine, exercised by taking some walks more days than I've not and even took an 8 mile bike ride yesterday. Not fatigued in the slightest.

For anyone who's had it recently, how long did it take for you to test negative after having it?

My predicament is that I have tickets for a music festival this weekend that I was hoping to go to but I may have to flip them if I'm still testing positive up until then.
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Over here, 10 days after the first positive test, if symptoms have improved and there’s no fever, you’re considered cleared. No need for a negative test. Some people test positive well after their first diagnosis but are thought to not be contagious anymore.

So you guys need a neg test to resume activity?
 
Turbo said:
Over here, 10 days after the first positive test, if symptoms have improved and there’s no fever, you’re considered cleared. No need for a negative test. Some people test positive well after their first diagnosis but are thought to not be contagious anymore.

So you guys need a neg test to resume activity?
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It's 5 days unless you still have symptoms. However, it looks like I would be "in the clear" because my symptoms have improved.

COVID-19 Symptoms & Treatment | Vermont Department of Health

Learn what to do if you have symptoms or test positive and read the guidance for close contacts.
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I still have very minor sinus congestion. I'd like to test negative before I resume my normal activities. Although I'll probably stay away from the office and continue to work remote for some time until cases have gone down significantly.
 
wokeupnew said:
It's 5 days unless you still have symptoms. However, it looks like I would be "in the clear" because my symptoms have improved.

COVID-19 Symptoms & Treatment | Vermont Department of Health

Learn what to do if you have symptoms or test positive and read the guidance for close contacts.
www.healthvermont.gov www.healthvermont.gov

I still have very minor sinus congestion. I'd like to test negative before I resume my normal activities. Although I'll probably stay away from the office and continue to work remote for some time until cases have gone down significantly.
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We also have a 5 day thing if your symptoms improve but you have to wear a mask at all times during days 5-10 (so you can't go to restaurants, gyms, etc - and it will still apply after masks are not mandatory indoors anymore in 4 days).

You're being very responsible! If everyone was like that, we'd all be doing much better.
 
Turbo said:
We also have a 5 day thing if your symptoms improve but you have to wear a mask at all times during days 5-10 (so you can't go to restaurants, gyms, etc - and it will still apply after masks are not mandatory indoors anymore in 4 days).

You're being very responsible! If everyone was like that, we'd all be doing much better.
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yeah! I was hopeful to be someone who never got it but oh well. Kind of annoying because I know people who (while being vaccinated and boosted) have been not as cautious pretty much doing everything they used to without masks and never have gotten it. One lax in masking for a period of time and here I am.
 
Surprise surprise, there is a high level of community spread in my mothers office and surround community now.

The return to the office April 1st is not being rolled back. But rather masks are mandatory except when you are sitting at your desk where you can take them off.

My mother really hasn't noticed much behavior changes from coworkers. Those who are ani vaxers / anti maskers still aren't wearing their masks...
 
I don't understand why this headline is buried on the major news outlet homepages, but this is a BFD.


Edit: Forgot the WaPo links don't embed well. Pfizer & BioNTech released top-line results claiming that the 3-dose vaccine regimen for kids under 5 is 80% effective. Huge news for parents.

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Pfizer Says 3 Vaccine Doses Produce Strong Response in Young Children

Preliminary results appeared to show that three doses of the coronavirus vaccine worked better than two, but the company did not release supporting data.
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Edit 2: Okay, NYT sucks too:

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Three-dose Covid-19 vaccine produces strong immune response in children ages 6 months to 5 years, Pfizer and BioNTech say | CNN

Three child-size doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine appeared to be safe and showed a strong immune response in children ages 6 months to 5 years, the companies said Monday. The vaccine makers said they will finish submitting the trial data to the US Food and Drug Administration this week.
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Edit 3: Sounds like the 80% figure comes from an interim analysis triggered by 10 incidents of symptomatic illness. That number will likely decline as the endpoint for the trial was defined as 21 cases of symptomatic illness. Still quite a bit better than the protection currently being claimed by Moderna.
 
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