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Echo all the comments about cleaning records , new ones are often incredibly dirty , as the gunk at the bottom of my spin clean will testify .probably the best investment I’ve made in collecting vinyl ..it’s rescued so many albums for me.
 

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Echo all the comments about cleaning records , new ones are often incredibly dirty , as the gunk at the bottom of my spin clean will testify .probably the best investment I’ve made in collecting vinyl ..it’s rescued so many albums for me.
I contend that new is dirtier than twice played without cleaning because the needle has drug some gunk out of the latter.
 

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Looking for some input... If it needs to go in another thread point me there, but folks here know their stuff so...

I bought a 2M Black a while back and then had one of my Blue's retipped with a Shaibata from the guy that does work on ebay for a backup.

I tested them and all was good.

Upon working with Zu to get my speakers set up better I was getting just a bit of shrill in the trebles and the low mids bass were a bit lacking to me. We added a resistor to match the amp and raised them a bit more. They improved but I still wasn't as thrilled as I wanted to be.

I swapped on the retipped "black" tonight and BOOM! the resolution was still there but without the edge. The bass was deeper and the low-mids just a touch more forward in the mix. The overall impression was pretty great. Going back and forth it's noticeable .

The other doesn't sound "bad". To clarify it's not the same as the difference between a blue and Black. I have a regular blue as well and it's very different than that altogether. I'm also using the same cart for all 3 and swapping the tips.

Could this be down to wear? A different diamond? Variance from one to the next?

I know it's better and noticeable, but they definitely are still the "same" over all. It's like an EQ thing.
In case someone looks later and because I talk to myself all the time anyway... The person working on the styli noted that along with the difference in the tip and the cartridge there is a different magnet in the 2M Blue that would account for the difference in sound.
 

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Again, y’all have been so helpful. After A/B testing a stack of records in my collection it does seem like a dirty record is the culprit here and my new pre-amp is just highlighting all the nasties hiding away in the grooves. So crazy how before I couldn’t hear the difference but now it’s SUPER noticeable. Thanks for the recommendations, going to go ahead and grab a spin clean and get to work.

Bonus Comment: @HiFi Guy is the Nagaoka MP-200 a great cartridge to go for if I’m in the market for one in that price range or is there one you’d recommend over it?
 

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Again, y’all have been so helpful. After A/B testing a stack of records in my collection it does seem like a dirty record is the culprit here and my new pre-amp is just highlighting all the nasties hiding away in the grooves. So crazy how before I couldn’t hear the difference but now it’s SUPER noticeable. Thanks for the recommendations, going to go ahead and grab a spin clean and get to work.

Bonus Comment: @HiFi Guy is the Nagaoka MP-200 a great cartridge to go for if I’m in the market for one in that price range or is there one you’d recommend over it?
you won’t regret it. Although other bits made bigger jumps for me at €100 the spin clean was the biggest improvement on a pound for pound basis!
 

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Looking for some input... If it needs to go in another thread point me there, but folks here know their stuff so...

I bought a 2M Black a while back and then had one of my Blue's retipped with a Shaibata from the guy that does work on ebay for a backup.

I tested them and all was good.

Upon working with Zu to get my speakers set up better I was getting just a bit of shrill in the trebles and the low mids bass were a bit lacking to me. We added a resistor to match the amp and raised them a bit more. They improved but I still wasn't as thrilled as I wanted to be.

I swapped on the retipped "black" tonight and BOOM! the resolution was still there but without the edge. The bass was deeper and the low-mids just a touch more forward in the mix. The overall impression was pretty great. Going back and forth it's noticeable .

The other doesn't sound "bad". To clarify it's not the same as the difference between a blue and Black. I have a regular blue as well and it's very different than that altogether. I'm also using the same cart for all 3 and swapping the tips.

Could this be down to wear? A different diamond? Variance from one to the next?

I know it's better and noticeable, but they definitely are still the "same" over all. It's like an EQ thing.
In case someone looks later and because I talk to myself all the time anyway... The gentleman who replaced the styli tip explained that along with the tip and the cartridge there is also a different magnet between the the Blue and Black that would account for the change I was hearing.
 

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Again, y’all have been so helpful. After A/B testing a stack of records in my collection it does seem like a dirty record is the culprit here and my new pre-amp is just highlighting all the nasties hiding away in the grooves. So crazy how before I couldn’t hear the difference but now it’s SUPER noticeable. Thanks for the recommendations, going to go ahead and grab a spin clean and get to work.

Bonus Comment: @HiFi Guy is the Nagaoka MP-200 a great cartridge to go for if I’m in the market for one in that price range or is there one you’d recommend over it?
If it’s in budget, a vacuum cleaner would be better, like the Record Doctor at Audio Advisor.

The Nagaoka MP-200 would be what I’d buy for your Fluance. @brownsugah has that exact combo- maybe she will chime in.
 

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If it’s in budget, a vacuum cleaner would be better, like the Record Doctor at Audio Advisor.

The Nagaoka MP-200 would be what I’d buy for your Fluance. @brownsugah has that exact combo- maybe she will chime in.
@Ghost I approve of the Nagaoka MP-200 paired with the RT-85. The sound is clear and crisp. One of the best upgrades I have made. I also Have the MP-110 on my U-Turn.
 

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Ok, after a bit of soul searching and heavy thinking I've come to the conclusion that a network player would collect dust for me in the long run. I really use digital files and Spotify for convenience more than anything and my files are for my portable player for the most part. I have also come to a couple other conclusions, I like physical media and I know I won't be able to get everything, at least a good sounding version, on vinyl.

So can I get some opinions on an above average CD Player/Transport for around $500? I keep coming across some amazing deals on CD's that I would normally get, if I wasn't holding out for a vinyl pressing.........so I think it's time, lol.

Thanks in advance :)
 

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Ok, after a bit of soul searching and heavy thinking I've come to the conclusion that a network player would collect dust for me in the long run. I really use digital files and Spotify for convenience more than anything and my files are for my portable player for the most part. I have also come to a couple other conclusions, I like physical media and I know I won't be able to get everything, at least a good sounding version, on vinyl.

So can I get some opinions on an above average CD Player/Transport for around $500? I keep coming across some amazing deals on CD's that I would normally get, if I wasn't holding out for a vinyl pressing.........so I think it's time, lol.

Thanks in advance :)
If you don’t care about used and a missing remote- this is a good sounding coaster reader.

 

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Ok, after a bit of soul searching and heavy thinking I've come to the conclusion that a network player would collect dust for me in the long run. I really use digital files and Spotify for convenience more than anything and my files are for my portable player for the most part. I have also come to a couple other conclusions, I like physical media and I know I won't be able to get everything, at least a good sounding version, on vinyl.

So can I get some opinions on an above average CD Player/Transport for around $500? I keep coming across some amazing deals on CD's that I would normally get, if I wasn't holding out for a vinyl pressing.........so I think it's time, lol.

Thanks in advance :)
I think you are in player territory for that money because separate transport & DAC is usually higher end. It seems that the Marantz 6006 gets good reviews whenever I see it mentioned.
 

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If you don’t care about used and a missing remote- this is a good sounding coaster reader.

I think you are in player territory for that money because separate transport & DAC is usually higher end. It seems that the Marantz 6006 gets good reviews whenever I see it mentioned.
I think if I'm willing to use the budget I would prefer new, don't want to deal with any lens and or laser issues. And I wasn't sure where the price would break on a transport. Music Direct has some discounted.......one was the 6006. Any thoughts or glaring specs that stand out with these?
 

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I think if I'm willing to use the budget I would prefer new, don't want to deal with any lens and or laser issues. And I wasn't sure where the price would break on a transport. Music Direct has some discounted.......one was the 6006. Any thoughts or glaring specs that stand out with these?
The HD was a higher line than the 6006 but I’m pretty sure that it’s been discontinued now, maybe that’s why they’re being sold off at discount. I don’t know much about it as a player though sorry. @HiFi Guy did you have the DAC from that line at some point or am I loosing my marbles?
 

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The HD was a higher line than the 6006 but I’m pretty sure that it’s been discontinued now, maybe that’s why they’re being sold off at discount. I don’t know much about it as a player though sorry. @HiFi Guy did you have the DAC from that line at some point or am I loosing my marbles?
No you aren’t. I still have it. I did get a Schiit Loki to warm it up a bit. At the end of the day though, the DAC is used 99% of the time for TV/Netflix duty.

To answer @AnthonyI though, those players are so similar you can pretty much choose by form factor. You still get the 60 day money back guarantee either way.
 

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No you aren’t. I still have it. I did get a Schiit Loki to warm it up a bit. At the end of the day though, the DAC is used 99% of the time for TV/Netflix duty.

To answer @AnthonyI though, those players are so similar you can pretty much choose by form factor. You still get the 60 day money back guarantee either way.
Awesome, so is there any benefit in picking up the HD for the DAC? The prices are so close and it seems like they fall into the same "quality" bucket. Or would the 6006 suffice running through the PL instead of running the HD through the NAD for the DAC?
 

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Agreed, I think we'll lean towards the 6006 and not get into the DAC world, lol
Both of the ones you linked to are just players though. They both have digital outs to go to a DAC if you want it but neither requires it. Neither has a digital in to allow its DAC to utilised by another device either.

It really is a choice over which you think will look nicer on your shelf given that they are pretty much the same price 😂
 

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Both of the ones you linked to are just players though. They both have digital outs to go to a DAC if you want it but neither requires it. Neither has a digital in to allow its DAC to utilised by another device either.

It really is a choice over which you think will look nicer on your shelf given that they are pretty much the same price 😂
We've had this discussion ad infinitum, DAC's confuse me for some odd reason and it's actually starting to irritate me, so I'm better off steering clear.......a nice CD player is fine, lol. I also looked at the specs and they're pretty much identical so it does come down to looks at this point between those two.

<-----looks for a copy of DAC's for dummies on Amazon
 
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