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Hemotep said:
It was a forgone conclusion, but the fact that human shit stain is getting closer to power again is a sad condemnation of the mass of awful people who live in this shit hole country.
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The fact that people Trumpers are saying things like: "We actually need a dictator nowadays" boggles my mind. They have no idea what they are wishing for.
 
ranbalam said:
The fact that people Trumpers are saying things like: "We actually need a dictator nowadays" boggles my mind. They have no idea what they are wishing for.
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I think they are just sick of congress getting nothing done and want to give all the power to one man to get things done. But don't realize what that entails.
 
Bull Shannon said:
Me too. I may be beating the drum of optimism when it comes to this election but if he wins I doubt there’ll be another.
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i fear not enough people are taking is possibility serious enough. my impression among the young voters is they feel they can protest this election and re-engage in 2028…which honestly i don’t believe would happen under another Trump shitshow.
 
epyon415 said:
i fear not enough people are taking is possibility serious enough. my impression among the young voters is they feel they can protest this election and re-engage in 2028…which honestly i don’t believe would happen under another Trump shitshow.
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There will be other elections just not necessarily ones that someone else can win. Purin gets himslef reelected regularly as well
 
Hemotep said:
Desantis or some other fascist fuckstick gets handed the reigns. Trump is only a symptom of a much larger rot.
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yes, but also: none of the others have the cult of personality that trump does. none of them have the shamelessness required.

not sure that any of the others have the kompromat that has trump in thrall to putin either.
 
Jan said:
There will be other elections just not necessarily ones that someone else can win. Purin gets himslef reelected regularly as well
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We're already seeing the beginnings of this in what is happening now. Trump isn't campaigning; not really. He travels around saying nasty things and attending to his various criminal proceedings. Otherwise, he's...what? Not advancing policy positions. Not debating his primary opponents (basically zero chance he ever agrees to debate Biden again). Not building a coalition. He's not *running* for anything. He's running for president in the same sense that Michael Scott declared bankruptcy. I think he leans into the grievance politics and the condemnations of his supposed lust for power only because it provides a convenient cover for this true motive, which at this point is to avoid criminal liability for things he did in his first term. If that specter weren't looming over him, I'm not sure I think he'd be running again.
 
yukbon said:
yes, but also: none of the others have the cult of personality that trump does. none of them have the shamelessness required.

not sure that any of the others have the kompromat that has trump in thrall to putin either.
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If we were guaranteed free elections again after a second Trump presidency, I'd agree, but once the guardrails are dismantled you don't need the cult of personality as much to stay in power. And there are plenty who could fill that position, especially if it's some Christian nationalist who has some charisma. A lot of those guys are shameless enough. But it's probably more likely that the empire crumbles and regionalizes if there isn't a single unifier on that side after Trump meets his end. At least that's what previous examples of authoritarian governments have tended to do. I'm going to another conference on authoritarianism this Spring so it'll be really interesting to see what new research is being done on this. Of course history can always throw us some surprises.
 
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This got me wondering about comparisons to the recent couple of caucuses. It's somewhat heartening to realize that 1.) the frontrunner in Iowa isn't a surefire win for the primaries [see Bernie/Cruz], 2.) DJT's just a smidge above par from his past primary caucus even with fewer rivals to split votes between, and 3.) R caucus participation is significantly down from 186,932 votes cast in 2016.

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EvanBenner said:
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This got me wondering about comparisons to the recent couple of caucuses. It's somewhat heartening to realize that 1.) the frontrunner in Iowa isn't a surefire win for the primaries [see Bernie/Cruz], 2.) DJT's just a smidge above par from his past primary caucus even with fewer rivals to split votes between, and 3.) R caucus participation is significantly down from 186,932 votes cast in 2016.

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I think there is one other thing to take into consideration: never has the frontrunner been under criminal indictment and facing multiple trials. Obviously, Cannon is doing all she can to delay the Florida trial, but I truly believe that there will be at least once trial held before voting begins. There is a percentage of trumpers who are on record stating that if he's convicted, they won't vote for him. That doesn't mean that Biden will get their votes, they'll probably abstain instead.

I have also seen Haley supporting caucus goers say that if trump gets the nom, they WILL in fact vote for Biden. He's not as popular as he was, it's just that his die hard supporters are insanely vocal. Regardless, I am terrified and hope that bastard is convicted multiple times prior to the convention or that his love of McDonalds renders him incapacitated.
 
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