NHL Thread Because There Isn't An NHL Thread

Turbo said:
That defense group is shit, it can only get better.
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It's about a league-average team D statistically. It's fine. Adding a 6th/7th D with only negative on-ice impacts, like Edmundson, certainly doesn't make it any better.

Regardless, defence has not been the reason for any of the Leafs' playoff failures in the last several years. A lack of depth scoring has usually been.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
It's about a league-average team D statistically. It's fine. Adding a 6th/7th D with only negative on-ice impacts, like Edmundson, certainly doesn't make it any better.

Regardless, defence has not been the reason for any of the Leafs' playoff failures in the last several years. A lack of depth scoring has usually been.
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Also a team core that has all the heart of a syphilitic gnat.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
It's about a league-average team D statistically. It's fine. Adding a 6th/7th D with only negative on-ice impacts, like Edmundson, certainly doesn't make it any better.

Regardless, defence has not been the reason for any of the Leafs' playoff failures in the last several years. A lack of depth scoring has usually been.
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Edmundson was great for us during that playoff run, but he slowed down a lot by the time he left us. Back problems mostly. Not sure how that's going for him. Anyway, considering he didn't cost much, he'd be fine as a 7th for use as needed.
 
Turbo said:
Pens should start thinking of the future at this point, no? Do they think they can squeeze another out of the current core?
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Yeah that's what management thought at the start of the season hence why they signed EK65 and all those depth players but now they're in selling mode as they know their window 🪟 to make the playoffs or all but closed 🔒
 
Turbo said:
Edmundson was great for us during that playoff run, but he slowed down a lot by the time he left us. Back problems mostly. Not sure how that's going for him. Anyway, considering he didn't cost much, he'd be fine as a 7th for use as needed.
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"In the years since, Edmundson has been seriously hampered by injuries which caused a huge drag on his team’s on-ice numbers at both ends of the ice. He slid down the depth chart as a result and in Washington has at the very least been passable with neutral relative numbers. On a bad team that’s still a net negative, especially in a third pairing role. The fact that he played the softest competition on the team while also having the benefit of playing with Nick Jensen, a solid defensive defender, paints it in an even lesser light. For the Leafs it at least offers a glimmer of hope that he probably won’t be the huge liability he was in his final two years in Montreal. With the right partner in the right situation— Edmundson might be fine.

That doesn’t speak to a player who will help much on his own accord and a closer examination of Edmundson’s limited puck skills proves that. Edmundson is one of the league’s least involved defenders when it comes to retrieving pucks and breaking them out. That low burden is for good reason — he’s not good at it. His 31 percent controlled exit rate is among the worst in the league and his ability to turn retrievals into an exit of any kind is also below average at 45 percent. It’s why his teams often get hemmed in when he’s on the ice. Add the fact that they know they can target him at the blue line and get a controlled entry out of it and it makes sense why Edmundson’s numbers and role have dropped in recent seasons. His projected Net Rating is minus-seven which falls below what you’d want from a third pair defenseman."

Yeah, doesn't sound great. Not sure how that would be an improvement on any of our depth guys, who have been serviceable this year. Spending a third and a fifth on that, when we've got so few picks to start with and much more pressing needs, is sure something. Feels like Treliving is trying to bring us back to the very, very dark Dave Nonis years.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
"In the years since, Edmundson has been seriously hampered by injuries which caused a huge drag on his team’s on-ice numbers at both ends of the ice. He slid down the depth chart as a result and in Washington has at the very least been passable with neutral relative numbers. On a bad team that’s still a net negative, especially in a third pairing role. The fact that he played the softest competition on the team while also having the benefit of playing with Nick Jensen, a solid defensive defender, paints it in an even lesser light. For the Leafs it at least offers a glimmer of hope that he probably won’t be the huge liability he was in his final two years in Montreal. With the right partner in the right situation— Edmundson might be fine.

That doesn’t speak to a player who will help much on his own accord and a closer examination of Edmundson’s limited puck skills proves that. Edmundson is one of the league’s least involved defenders when it comes to retrieving pucks and breaking them out. That low burden is for good reason — he’s not good at it. His 31 percent controlled exit rate is among the worst in the league and his ability to turn retrievals into an exit of any kind is also below average at 45 percent. It’s why his teams often get hemmed in when he’s on the ice. Add the fact that they know they can target him at the blue line and get a controlled entry out of it and it makes sense why Edmundson’s numbers and role have dropped in recent seasons. His projected Net Rating is minus-seven which falls below what you’d want from a third pair defenseman."

Yeah, doesn't sound great. Not sure how that would be an improvement on any of our depth guys, who have been serviceable this year. Spending a third and a fifth on that, when we've got so few picks to start with and much more pressing needs, is sure something. Feels like Treliving is trying to bring us back to the very, very dark Dave Nonis years.
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You never have too many defenders in the playoffs, but you still hope you don't need to go that deep.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
"In the years since, Edmundson has been seriously hampered by injuries which caused a huge drag on his team’s on-ice numbers at both ends of the ice. He slid down the depth chart as a result and in Washington has at the very least been passable with neutral relative numbers. On a bad team that’s still a net negative, especially in a third pairing role. The fact that he played the softest competition on the team while also having the benefit of playing with Nick Jensen, a solid defensive defender, paints it in an even lesser light. For the Leafs it at least offers a glimmer of hope that he probably won’t be the huge liability he was in his final two years in Montreal. With the right partner in the right situation— Edmundson might be fine.

That doesn’t speak to a player who will help much on his own accord and a closer examination of Edmundson’s limited puck skills proves that. Edmundson is one of the league’s least involved defenders when it comes to retrieving pucks and breaking them out. That low burden is for good reason — he’s not good at it. His 31 percent controlled exit rate is among the worst in the league and his ability to turn retrievals into an exit of any kind is also below average at 45 percent. It’s why his teams often get hemmed in when he’s on the ice. Add the fact that they know they can target him at the blue line and get a controlled entry out of it and it makes sense why Edmundson’s numbers and role have dropped in recent seasons. His projected Net Rating is minus-seven which falls below what you’d want from a third pair defenseman."

Yeah, doesn't sound great. Not sure how that would be an improvement on any of our depth guys, who have been serviceable this year. Spending a third and a fifth on that, when we've got so few picks to start with and much more pressing needs, is sure something. Feels like Treliving is trying to bring us back to the very, very dark Dave Nonis years.
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The only thing Joel is going to do, is to cross check people in the face in front of the net. That's pretty much it.
 
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