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bdrummond said:
I did ask for it I guess.

I do agree with the placement of Downward Spiral.
Hole was a big part of music in grade 7/8, so Live Through This will always have a place in my heart.

What I will not accept is Third Eye Blind S/T slander. The rest is fair game.

There's also a short doc on why Ace of Base was so popular at the time. It's pretty much science driven to be as ear wormy as possible with as little thought to lyrics as humanly possible.
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I totally understand all of this - context is everything.
I was a 3rd year College student when I was forced to Live Through This

Much of my consternation stems from what appears to be a wholesale re-writing of history as it applies to what we are calling 90s music.

That is probably because what is happening now is the mining/marketing of the nostalgia for that era. For a certain segment of the U.S. population there was the active rebellion against exactly that - the mining/marketing of 60s/70s nostalgia. So to see it happening now to "my music" makes my head explode.

And it could be that those spinning the flat circle of time around on its axis did NOT fall within my peer group - who would rather pound their head agaisnt the wall than be sold on the idea that Hole was somehow a more important piece of the early/mid-90s music in popular culture than ...well almost anyone.
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
Really? I had no idea. I have the other two and they pretty rad, need to put that on my wantlist
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Yeah! I used to see them regularly enough back when I started collecting in 2013 but haven’t for a long time now. Sadly I had other more basic collection building wants all that long time ago!

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Pulp - Different Class

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2011 Vinyl release of "Different Class" on Discogs.
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Viking Dan said:
And it could be that those spinning the flat circle of time around on its axis did NOT fall within my peer group - who would rather pound their head agaisnt the wall than be sold on the idea that Hole was somehow a more important piece of the early/mid-90s music in popular culture than ...well almost anyone.
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I wouldn't go that far, but Hole, and particularly Live Through This WAS important in the same way that Weezer's Blue album or Green Day's Dookie was to me. Didn't revolutionize music or anything, but they were definitely big shapers of my musical identity.
 
bdrummond said:
Perhaps, sounds about right. Can't remember the name. It was an episode of some netflix doc series.
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This Is Pop (TV Series 2021– ) - IMDb

This Is Pop: With Ludwig Göransson, T-Pain, Orville Peck, Wanya Morris. Uncover the real stories behind your favorite pop songs as this docuseries charts the impact of the festival scene, Auto-Tune, boy bands and more.
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This is the doc.
Also the episode about Autotune is worth a watch. You leave feeling awfully sorry for T-Pain.
 
Heaven or Las Diaper Baby said:
Looks interesting. Just when you say Swedish, Max Martin has been a mega producer for years pumping out hits. Him or those who have worked with/under him.
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Yeah.
What's interesting was the mention that basically the lyrics aren't supposed to make sense. They're supposed to be as catchy as possible.

If you go back and listen to any Ace of Base hit you can tell...they make absolutely ZERO sense, but you likely know them all.
 
Viking Dan said:
Since I have the go ahead:
Umm...I'd call them Garbage, but there was another totally meh 90s band that co-opted that moniker.

So, I'll just say VMP doing a Live Through This reissue would be completely ON BRAND for VMP Essentials: passing over a plethora of deserving releases in favor of something...else.

IF they are going to repress Live Through This, the might as well add these to the list:

Collective Soul - Hints Allegations and the rest of that bullshit album
Third-Eye Blind - S/T with the song that Semi-turns me into the dude in Jumper
Spin Doctors - Pocket Full of Vomit
Limp Bizkit - Not Even worth a 3 Dollar Bill Y'All
Van Halen - III Singers Too Many
Ace of Base - The Sign that signaled "alternative" music had been co-opted by the money counters
Eric Clapton - Unplugged because we can't stand him plugged in and at full volume
Matchbox 20 - Yourself or Someone Like You needs to explain why you helped popularize this dreck

In case its not clear - I have unresolved 90s music opinions.

While I'm here, can some one explain how Boards of Canada and Two of Janet Jackson's albums charted higher than NIN - The Downward Spiral on that P4k 90s list?No disrespect to BOC or Ms. Jackson (cause I'm being nasty), but The Downward Spiral at 40 with Live through this at 8? I just cant take a list like that seriously.

Ok - rant over.
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Okay all those albums you listed are awful and Live Through This absolutely smokes them.

I would rather listen to Live Through This than Nevermind.
 
bdrummond said:
Yeah.
What's interesting was the mention that basically the lyrics aren't supposed to make sense. They're supposed to be as catchy as possible.

If you go back and listen to any Ace of Base hit you can tell...they make absolutely ZERO sense, but you likely know them all.
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Yea, if I listen to lyrics that make zero sense I prefer not be able to repeat them. Looking at you Sigur Ros.
 
bdrummond said:
It's the band I've seen live the most times (including seeing Jonsi solo once).
I've been chasing the dragon ever since seeing them at Massey Hall, and unfortunately nothing has even come close to that show.
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I saw them once. I think it was the Takk tour and they played only a small handful of U.S. tour dates. One happened to be Vegas. It was really good.
 
bdrummond said:
I wouldn't go that far, but Hole, and particularly Live Through This WAS important in the same way that Weezer's Blue album or Green Day's Dookie was to me. Didn't revolutionize music or anything, but they were definitely big shapers of my musical identity.
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See - this is where I have to disagree.

The Blue Album was important because it took that 60s Beach Boys sound/nostalgia, poured the Distortion/Fuzz/90's Disaffection on top of it and spit out something unique when you consider its contemporary albums (Downward Spiral; Superunknown; Mellow Gold; Purple, etc.) I'm not a music theory guy - but its was like the world was living in the Minor Chord Scale and The Blue Album came in with here's the Alt-Rock sound but painting with Major Chord Scales. I would argue - they took what Mathew Sweet's Girlifriend album did an pushed it farther an into the broader cultural zitegiest that MS did.

Green Day's Dookie - also was important in that it was THE album that shifted what was deemed "popular" away from the major "grunge" acts that had now climbed to the top of the heap - and made the Punk sound something accessible within the broader cultural zeitgiest. That is not to say that Cobain and other acts' being heavily punk influenced didn't move the importance of punk into a wider cultural acceptance - but Dookie shut the door on the early Alt Rock era (1989/Pretty Hate Machine - 1994/Dookie) and opened the door to an accessible punk sound that allows No Doubt to rule the airwaves two years later.

Hole, IMO, never innovated nor moved the needle in the way The Blue Album or Dookie or others can be said to have done.

At least that's how it all felt in real time - rather than looking back on it all.
 
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