Indymisanthrope
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Welcome to Earth
Will Smith
Welcome to Earth
Will Smith
Exactly how I feel.This season of Succession went none of the ways i expected it to but goddamn what a finish.
Yeah... I appreciate the journey of the show so much, but the ending fell very flat for me.Not recent TV. But I've been watching an episode of Lost a week for the past few years and watched the finale last week for the first time.
What the shit did I just watch??? I feel like they came up with that ending like 10 minutes before their assignment was due.
I mean, with the ending they chose, the time travel, Jacob, the smoke monster, the candidates, the light on the island...none of ended up mattering.Yeah... I appreciate the journey of the show so much, but the ending fell very flat for me.
A show that built up so much of its own mythologies and mysteries winds up with no real grand reveal except the story of Jacob and the other guy (Man in black? I don't remember) which is kind of interesting, but not ultimately that satisfying. It renders a lot kind of pointless in hindsight. And those "side-flashes" in the final season were incredibly pointless and dumb to me. I think people still completely misread the ending. But yeah I don't like how it all concluded.
I think the statute of limitations is up on “Spoiler” protection when the shows been off the air for over a decade.Not recent TV. But I've been watching an episode of Lost a week for the past few years and watched the finale last week for the first time.
What the shit did I just watch??? I feel like they came up with that ending like 10 minutes before their assignment was due.
This. When people give spoiler alerts for really old things, I kind of want to rebalance the universe by spoiling the ending of something currently in the popular zeitgeist.I think the statute of limitations is up on “Spoiler” protection when the shows been off the air for over a decade.
I remember when I watched these with my oldest about 6 years ago, and I'm waiting for the "I am your father moment." It happens, I look at my son all smiles like "whoa!" and he says, "Yeah, I already knew that. Everybody knows that part."This. When people give spoiler alerts for really old things, I kind of want to rebalance the universe by spoiling the ending of something currently in the popular zeitgeist.
We were B.S.-ing at work the other day and one of our folks whiteboarded (we have whiteboards all over my job and nerds for all different types of things - I don't mean that pejoratively, we say that everyone in our field has their "ism") what they see as the proper way to digest the Star Wars universe and its lore. This included the movies, TV shows (live action & animated), and also through some of the video games interspersed (they left out any canon books, although I believe they've read them).
Any way, they began w/ Episodes 4 & 5 and then took a long roundabout to go through other installments in the universe, then finally rewatching 4/5 way later to reorientate oneself and then 6 and bunch more stuff. It was a well thought out path, which showed a love for the universe and had reasoning behind it. It produced some debate with another coworker who saw some flaws (to put it in perspective, there has been analysis of the Death Star against the framework of analyzing the phases of WMD development for a nation or group; we've got some nerds on our hands here).
But right at the beginning they gave a spoiler alert for the ending of Episode 5 and that they wouldn't say more. I just blurted out to everyone listening that if anyone there didn't know that Vader is Luke's father that that's on them and if they got butthurt about a spoiler alert for a 40-year old movie then life was gonna be really tough for them.
TBF, one youngster gave me a "Hey!" 'cause I think they'd never seen the movies. Oh well.
A least for me the biggest issue was that it seemed like they had a fun premise and the show probably at some point had a workable and intriguing ending set up. The problem was network TV unwillingness to give up a cash cow until it’s become unprofitable. If Lost was half as long I feel like the ending probably would have been much less disappointing. People had starting speculating that they were in some sort of purgatory early on and as the show progressed the writers seemed intent on trying to push back against that theory. I will say that is speaks to Lindelof and Cruse creative ability that they essentially created enough intrigue to keep it going for years longer than it should have. The show was almost completely out of steam and then the “Flash Forwards” gave it another year or two of life. Unfortunately by the ending there was some much bloat and frayed loose ends that there was no way Lost was gonna end well. Thankfully Lindelof found an appropriate home for his new projects.I think, for better or worse, the ending of Lost is completely in line with the season and series that led up to it. Season six definitely got into a panic about landing the plane and shoved more explanations at me than I really needed (I think it's interesting that Lindeloff evolved through The Leftovers to "just let the mystery be"), but the show overall was preposterous, melodramatic, and pulpy. I just don't see how someone could hang through the 120 episodes before that and then find disappointment, especially if they were able to stick around from season 4 on.
It does also seem a lot of people conflate the church scene as meaning "the church is a purgatory they've all arrived in at once," and not "the church is the purgatory they will each eventually pass through;" I recently had a convo with a friend where they said the finale sucked because "it turned out they were all dead all along," which isn't what's trying to be conveyed there.
Also, the finale gets all the flak instead of the episode where Allison Janney "fills in" the backstory for the show's two meta antagonists by literally making up the rules of the world as she goes.