Vinyl Me Please (store, exclusives, swaps, etc)

But the new platform will allow for some of this and an actual loyalty program (think tenure and order position). Basically, the new platform will provide a lot of options to try things out, create a more customer-friendly service.

Anyone who actually believes that any sort of loyalty program is coming is delusional at this point. This, along with MANY other things, is something that's been "in the works" for over three years now, without anything to show for it. I'd go as far as to say VMP is actively anti-loyalist. How is overselling a record, and then randomizing who gets their orders canceled and who doesn't, a positive for loyal customers? Hell, people say it all the time that, when they cancel their VMP membership, they get offered a free record to stay subscribed. VMP literally give more freebies to people who decide to leave than those who have stayed for years. Couple that with the sudden forum closure, and the complete lack of clear communication, and VMP is practically begging us to realize they don't care about loyal customers in any way.

None of this is against you, Enoch. I'm glad you're communicating this information to us, and shedding some light on what exactly VMP higher-ups are saying. The problem is 1.) the fact that what they're saying essentially amounts to "we're working on it" for the trillionth time, and B.) the fact that you have to basically give us the inside scoop on a one-on-one conversation in order for anyone else to learn what's going with VMP. When it comes to questions as simple as "What's going on with all these promises you've been making for years?" or even "What is going on with the product I purchased?", Lloyd "going out of his way" to tell you all of this, and then you relaying it to us, doesn't make up for the fact that they took away major platforms for these questions to be asked publicly in the first place
 
Reflections from my two and a half hour meeting with Llyod (neither of us expected it to go that long).

First and foremost, the employees of VMP are people, they have had some recent issues with threats, please keep that in mind; they are fine with criticism of the company but personal attacks are not cool. I don't any of really fall into that category.

Llyod seems to have a good head about directions to go. He definitely is great at communicating. We talked quite a bit about that and where it has been a struggle in the past. I emphasized some staff need to pause before responding or even just run their response past someone else as again they are invested and take things personally when maybe it isn't so much.

We talked about new things versus fixes needed within the company. My emphasis was on perception. I 100% understand them taking on new things to help fund what needs to be done but the consumer doesn't always see that. I, at times, get frustrated that they are say doing Anthology when shipping is still a mess. But things like Anthology help them fund for the fix. That said a new platform through Shopify is coming (as seen with Anthology and mentioned before.) Once that is up and running VMP will have actual inventory control and numbers which you might be able to make a connection on what they would mean in terms of the future of shipping.

Concerning Weyes Blood and Hatchie, this goes with my thought I had when I heard about WB (as upset as I was/am), extrapolate if VMP had stuff missent what that means overall.

They are working on a new way to receive feedback on what is going right and what needs work. It isn't fully fleshed out yet but is in process for the next few months. Once settled it will be announced in some manner.

There are ideas on how to keep the same type of service but bring in some new ways of going about it. I would like to know a little bit more about it before I think it is a good idea. I advocated for the pre-announce model that Classics started off with. The big obstacle he shared about that is some label want their albums not announced or even they pull out right before pressing begins (this mainly affects Essentials). But the new platform will allow for some of this and an actual loyalty program (think tenure and order position). Basically, the new platform will provide a lot of options to try things out, create a more customer-friendly service.

I talked about my idea of having a damage report window. So maybe for three weeks, they collect damage reports and then they can rank them and potentially collect data on if there is an overall issue; SC messing something up (same corner dings, VMP can get a refund for that, or a pressing issue like Stars mostly is). He liked that idea, we also discussed potentially just sending out the damaged part, so if your disc is warped you just get a disc, sleeve damage you get a sleeve. They had someone come in and essentially audit the requests and there was at least one person claiming damage on every item they received. Which is why sending out just the item in the package that has the problem would prevent the abuse of flipping. What is to stop someone from dropping their album and claiming shipping/packaging damage to get a second copy to flip.

I will add more if I remember anything else of import. I think hiring Llyod may be a good turning point for VMP, but we will see and that is what I told him.
I am not trying to give you a hard time, so please don't take it that way, but I feel like this is really not a lot of information. Maybe it's just that my expectations of setting up an in person meeting with the COO meant that there was going to be more things said of greater import, or maybe even it's just that there are things missing from here that I would have asked if I felt so inspired as to try to get a question to Lloyd, but that's my take. I feel a lot of this stuff is what many have already guessed about their directions. It seems to me as if meeting with one of their biggest customers and most active N&G forum member like this may have been more a PR move than anything.

I don't think anyone should have to receive death threats, but I'm not sure why he felt it necessary to tell you that. It would make sense to me if people from this forum were responsible for threats or if we were personally attacking them. I hope that's not the case. At the same time, I receive threats at my workplace all the time. I work in the ICU of one of the biggest hospitals in the world. People threaten my life to my face. Violently. People attempt to assault me and sometimes successfully do. And yet, I still am expected to do my job faithfully and I do.

My main takeaway from your posts is that there is no real replacement for the forum coming and that that was another lie as well.
 
VMP has said they were gonna do this thing and gonna do that thing for years and years without following through. That's their prerogative, but that is their established history of behavior. Anyone familiar with the history of VMP understands that, overwhelmingly and with few exceptions, they're just spewing words that are not backed by actions. This is not debatable.

I gotta ask: why do you think anything you are sharing is different? The impression I get is that for whatever reason you, to some degree, define yourself by your historical behavior of buying (nearly?) anything exclusive that VMP puts out, and perhaps this makes you take things too personally when someone gets irritated with VMP.

They're just a retailer. Just one of a ton of places to buy records. I've butted heads with them in the past and been banned from their forum a few times, eventually permanently. I still don't have animosity toward them. I purchased the Anthology set. I have an understanding - based on years of history as a customer of theirs - of how they act and what to expect.

Do I personally care what VMP says they might do? Nope. I judge them on their actions, not their words. I might buy from them again in the future and I might not. Depends on if the product seems compelling.

Do I care about your conversations with people at VMP? Nope, not a bit, but others might. Share away if you want, but history has labeled their words as nearly meaningless.
I finally canceled today, after letting my final 3 month plan run it’s course. And you perfectly distilled my feelings today as I was clicking the cancel button...’they’ve become just another retailer’ to me. Without the community fueling it, the magic is gone for me, and I don’t really care why they did it. Even on its worst day, it was still one of the kindest, most inclusive places on the internet. And from a business perspective, they pissed away one of the coolest, organically grown focus groups a company could ever dream of, one that marketing firms get paid big $$$ to replicate... ‘‘Twas a great ride, but I’m over it, happy to have made the migration to N&G with all of you.🍻
 
Omg, so cuteee! It’s so cute and funny that you’re getting your wife vinyl for Christmas 🤭

There’s something badass, high school and ghetto about CrazySexyCool, like gangster’s and playa’s so would’ve had sex while that album was playing in the background! So your wife’s ghetto vinyl library is just getting better and better 🙌🎃😁

Glad you're back @NathanRicaud !!!

read reviews (the U.K. paper the guardian and the Irish times are my two go tos).

I really like those Guardian reviews. Also this forum is great at helping with curation, the Colemine rabbit hole is amazing (and dangerous for wallets) and the N & G AoTM threads (great picks for Vol 0 and Vol 1, @Skalap and @Murfocakes did an awesome job!)
 
All sounds like positive intentions to me. Thanks for sharing @Enoch.

My only real problems with VMP are the shipping issues and overselling as well as regular damages in transit and uncertainty about replacements. Its a Vinyl subscription company so those things are IMO the most important things in need of fixing and it sounds like they do have plans in place.

Most of the other stuff like pre-announcing records, swaps, how they do pre-orders, transparency about upcoming features, the forum (sorry), etc is really up to them as a company and doesnt ultimately impact my overall enjoyment of the service. I just want them to continue pressing great records, let me buy way too many of them, and send them to me on time and in good condition each month
I get the sense by hiring Lloyd, who seems to know what he is doing (again seems) that this might actually be where they fulfill things they have said in the past. It is still to be seen if that is the case. He gave a brief rundown of how they were essentially patchworking the tech side and notes were not well kept. That is changing now with him on board and moving to Shopify (as he said no longer trying to recreate e-commerce). His hope is we will see a change by the end of the year but it is tech and it sometimes takes longer than expected. I hope this isn't more talk but based on their history I am skeptical because we have been hearing this for a while (though we have seen some changes whether better or not is debatable).
 
And you didn't ask me to clarify,

what was the point of it?

you immediately put me down

I wont give you a hard time about your """reflections""" comment because I do like you

and said this wasn't helpful because most no longer care.

@Enoch with regard to VMP, for some of us, there is no future.

You're reading this forum in English arent you?

Something has changed in you @Enoch. You use to be about the music, now its about a company that sells music. I hope everything is OK.
 
I wouldn't make these types of jokes, it is in very poor taste.
I knew it was sarcasm, but sarcasm about people receiving death threats seems incredibly insensitive to what they actually go through receiving them. I get it is stupid to get to that level about a vinyl company but it doesn't change the fact that real people are behind the receiving end of the threats.


I mean I guess it’s insensitive but I do find humor in how ridiculous people are. Rick & Morty fans sending McDonalds death threats over a sauce, people threatening Wendy’s over spicy nuggets, some idiot sending VMP threats over records. I realize real mental illness exists, but hell, I have to take a step back and laugh at how stupid all of that is.
 
I don't think anyone should have to receive death threats, but I'm not sure why he felt it necessary to tell you that.
He shared because people on the forum dehumanized staff at times and that elevated outside of the forum to things more serious.
My main takeaway from your posts is that there is no real replacement for the forum coming and that that was another lie as well.
Would you want another forum by them? They are working on other ways to build community, no real specifics yet (there is a decent beginning of a plan), I get that is a "we are working on it" response but it really is being worked on, they have had conversations with other members on how to design it.
 
there is no future
Sorry if I've missed something mate
these portions told me in the context of the rest of your comment that you weren't interested in dialogue. If you really have questions please ask
now its about a company that sells music
In this thread, yes I am talking about VMP because it is a VMP thread and the music they are selling. I don't bring this up in other threads because they are about the music, saying you think something may be wrong with me is not helpful and doesn't encourage me to interact with you.

Nope...we are all good here. Do you want another forum by them?
nope and I told him that
 
I mean I guess it’s insensitive but I do find humor in how ridiculous people are. Rick & Morty fans sending McDonalds death threats over a sauce, people threatening Wendy’s over spicy nuggets, some idiot sending VMP threats over records. I realize real mental illness exists, but hell, I have to take a step back and laugh at how stupid all of that is.
There is a difference though, you are directing the joke at a very specific group, a group that received death threats. Making a general joke that isn't directed at anyone is a different thing altogether. I agree that them receiving threats about this is ridiculous.
 
these portions told me in the context of the rest of your comment that you weren't interested in dialogue. If you really have questions please ask

So what about this portion of my comment, does this help, does this convince you that I had a question?

Is the intention for you to try and fix Vinyl Me, Please via the N&G community?

Sorry if I've missed something mate.

No sorry, don't fucking bother mate, what a joke!
 
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He shared because people on the forum dehumanized staff at times and that elevated outside of the forum to things more serious.

Would you want another forum by them? They are working on other ways to build community, no real specifics yet (there is a decent beginning of a plan), I get that is a "we are working on it" response but it really is being worked on, they have had conversations with other members on how to design it.
Again, that doesn't explain what telling you they've received death threats accomplishes. It is not going to solve the problem. It should not stop anyone from criticizing their lack of ability to do their jobs well. I only see it as an attempt to get sympathy for something none of us are responsible for. I think they should handle all death threats seriously and I think they should respond to people personally attacking them in an appropriate fashion as well. I feel like that was just trying to score "points". Just one aspect of the PR campaign that it sounds like this meeting basically was.

At the same time, the way they have handled the FB page speaks volumes to me in the context of what you have said. Did you ask anything about why it has been run the way it has? Did them receiving death threats make them unable to moderate the group? Did the fact that they took criticism personally make them decide to allow all the sycophants harassing the "complainers" to keep going about their business? This is the most recent "community" that they have been "running" and it is possibly the worst shithole I've ever participated in. And the fact that they basically acknowledged that the forum being "paused" to resume in a new form at a later date was a lie is my main takeaway from what you said about ways they are looking to build community in the future.

Do I want a new forum from them? Of course not. I don't know if I will ever want anything from them again. But that's not due to bitterness, it is a direct result of them running the majority of things I've experienced from them so badly that I don't know what would make me overlook that in the future to do business with them again.
 
Again, that doesn't explain what telling you they've received death threats accomplishes. It is not going to solve the problem. It should not stop anyone for criticizing their lack of ability to do their jobs well. I only see it as an attempt to get sympathy for something none of us are responsible for. I think they should handle all death threats seriously and I think they should respond to people personally attacking them in an appropriate fashion as well.

At the same time, the way they have handled the FB page speaks volumes to me in the context of what you have said. Did you ask anything about why it has been run the way it has? Did them receiving death threats make them unable to moderate the group? Did the fact that they took criticism personally make them decide to allow all the sycophants harassing the "complainers" to keep going about their business? This is the most recent "community" that they have been "running" and it is possibly the worst shithole I've ever participated in. And the fact that they basically acknowledged that the forum being "paused" to resume in a new form at a later date was a lie is my main takeaway from what you said about ways they are looking to build community in the future.

Do I want a new forum from them? Of course not. I don't know if I will ever want anything from them again. But that's not due to bitterness, it is a direct result of them running the majority of things I've experienced from them so badly that I don't know what would make me overlook that in the future to do business with them again.
So why do you care about responding to my post if you have no interest in VMP anymore. I don’t mean this rhetorically. I am genuinely curious.
 
I think I asked specific questions about things I was curious about.
I don’t have answers to those, I had a conversation about many things but I wasn’t going to get an answer to every possible question which includes the ones you asked. But I still am interested in why you are following this if you are done with VMP.
 
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