Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

Today's argument with my mother: ivermectin and hydrochloroquin work, you guys, but The Government is hiding the research. In fact, and you'll be horrified to learn this, but an unspecified German report by scientists, that had a zoom or whatever, showed that up to 50 people who have taken the vaccine have died!

Apparently I was supposed be horrified more about 50 dead among literally millions that have been vaccinated vs again, millions dead that have not been vaccinated. MRNA is bad, apparently, but the j+j dead-virus old school vaccine is also bad? because someone makes money off it? and also there are breakthrough cases, and vaccines are supposed to last forever, so this isn't a "real" vaccine? it's honestly just such a miasma of knee-jerk responses and all of them are emotional beliefs with no basis.
 
Biden mandate is a mistake

Booster shots cause more confusion

"We can't booster our way out"

5-12 year olds can finally be vaccinated and somehow that bad



Holy shit what did I miss and I dunno how the reception even is right now
Honestly, I am against wide spread boosters until we can get the rest of the globe vaccinated. I had already posted about how HIV populations in Africa are being seen as a problem, because covid likes to stay in these people and mutate. The WHO thinks this might be where some of our new variants will come from. Until we vaccinate poorer countries, we are not going to see the end of these mutations.

There is some issue with the vaccine and children. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and the scientists are asking themselves tough questions about whether the incidence of side effects is more or less prevalent than the risk of severe covid in kids--since they are the cohort that seems least affected. Here's an NPR article on the debate: COVID Vaccines In Teens And Myocarditis: What You Need To Know
Today's argument with my mother: ivermectin and hydrochloroquin work, you guys, but The Government is hiding the research. In fact, and you'll be horrified to learn this, but an unspecified German report by scientists, that had a zoom or whatever, showed that up to 50 people who have taken the vaccine have died!

Apparently I was supposed be horrified more about 50 dead among literally millions that have been vaccinated vs again, millions dead that have not been vaccinated. MRNA is bad, apparently, but the j+j dead-virus old school vaccine is also bad? because someone makes money off it? and also there are breakthrough cases, and vaccines are supposed to last forever, so this isn't a "real" vaccine? it's honestly just such a miasma of knee-jerk responses and all of them are emotional beliefs with no basis.
There is some biological basis for ivermectin, but from what I understand, it gets negated in the body--it makes it harder for certain receptors to attract the virus, however, from what I have read, this only works in a petri dish out side of the body. However, ivermectin is still a drug they are regularly using in India, various South American countries and in Japan. This indicates to me that clinicians in those countries are seeing some benefit.

The vaccine isn't bad, however, legal immunity was waived--which means that if these vaccines end up really harming people, no one would be able sue these vaccine producers. And while this is generally okay with me for tried and true vaccines where companies are barely making a profit on them, we now have vaccine billionaires due to the patents on these medicines. There's nothing but up side because if this ends up to be like the opioid epidemic, they don't have to worry about being sued. I'm sorry, if there are is legal immunity for vaccines, there also needs to be no vaccine billionaires and no vaccine patents. The reason this thing is dragging like it is, is because of greed. If we opened up the patents and more of the world was able to produce the vaccine (which they are able to do despite some very ethnocentric articles that suggest that the West is only able to produce this), then we would seriously slow down the rate of mutation, and could get this thing under control.

I'm still reading about breakthrough cases, and I'm not really sure what to think. It seems that the vaccine is slowing hospitalizations which is really, really good, but it doesn't seem to stop the virus from spreading as much as we would like. I understand waning immunity, similar to the flu, but I'm more and more interested about the biology here.

I find that people that have been on the internet since they were younger are much more savvy than our parents. There are things my mom links to me that I just shake my head at. I think our parents have a real problem sorting out the BS versus what is real on the internet. I think that we have been on this thing long enough to have an internal ranking of plausibility, but we also know that we need to check a few sources because the internet is notoriously full of garbage. Our parents have a double issue of trying to figure out and implement their BS meter for the internet while also not being as savvy on using internet searches to validate information. What I'm saying is try not to get too frustrated with your mom. She's dealing with a lot of conflicting information and nothing is clear cut.
 

Local leaders are raising concern about the state’s claim that Miami-Dade County has reached a 90% COVID vaccination rate, calling it an inflated figure.

The latest weekly report from Florida’s health department says Miami-Dade has the highest percentage of its eligible population (ages 12+) vaccinated against COVID-19 of any county in the state.
However, experts say the 90% figure listed isn’t accurate.
[...]
One red flag indicated that something was amiss: A breakdown by county zip codes shows some population samples surpassing 100% vaccination.
“When we surpassed 100% I realized there was a data problem,” Gelber said.
People age 18 and over in the 33122 area code had more than a 2,700% vaccination rate, according to the data.
Why is that zip code significant?
“That’s the airport,” Gelber said.
Miami International Airport has been a pop-up vaccination site open to anyone — not just county residents.
 
Florida gonna Florida

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This is obviously due to a duplication error. Whoever put this data together either didn't know what they were doing or didn't care--this is one of those Data Analysis 101 things that every data analyst has to learn the hard way, but it's something you learn very early in your career. Ouch.
 
Honestly, I am against wide spread boosters until we can get the rest of the globe vaccinated. I had already posted about how HIV populations in Africa are being seen as a problem, because covid likes to stay in these people and mutate. The WHO thinks this might be where some of our new variants will come from. Until we vaccinate poorer countries, we are not going to see the end of these mutations.

There is some issue with the vaccine and children. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and the scientists are asking themselves tough questions about whether the incidence of side effects is more or less prevalent than the risk of severe covid in kids--since they are the cohort that seems least affected. Here's an NPR article on the debate: COVID Vaccines In Teens And Myocarditis: What You Need To Know

There is some biological basis for ivermectin, but from what I understand, it gets negated in the body--it makes it harder for certain receptors to attract the virus, however, from what I have read, this only works in a petri dish out side of the body. However, ivermectin is still a drug they are regularly using in India, various South American countries and in Japan. This indicates to me that clinicians in those countries are seeing some benefit.

The vaccine isn't bad, however, legal immunity was waived--which means that if these vaccines end up really harming people, no one would be able sue these vaccine producers. And while this is generally okay with me for tried and true vaccines where companies are barely making a profit on them, we now have vaccine billionaires due to the patents on these medicines. There's nothing but up side because if this ends up to be like the opioid epidemic, they don't have to worry about being sued. I'm sorry, if there are is legal immunity for vaccines, there also needs to be no vaccine billionaires and no vaccine patents. The reason this thing is dragging like it is, is because of greed. If we opened up the patents and more of the world was able to produce the vaccine (which they are able to do despite some very ethnocentric articles that suggest that the West is only able to produce this), then we would seriously slow down the rate of mutation, and could get this thing under control.

I'm still reading about breakthrough cases, and I'm not really sure what to think. It seems that the vaccine is slowing hospitalizations which is really, really good, but it doesn't seem to stop the virus from spreading as much as we would like. I understand waning immunity, similar to the flu, but I'm more and more interested about the biology here.

I find that people that have been on the internet since they were younger are much more savvy than our parents. There are things my mom links to me that I just shake my head at. I think our parents have a real problem sorting out the BS versus what is real on the internet. I think that we have been on this thing long enough to have an internal ranking of plausibility, but we also know that we need to check a few sources because the internet is notoriously full of garbage. Our parents have a double issue of trying to figure out and implement their BS meter for the internet while also not being as savvy on using internet searches to validate information. What I'm saying is try not to get too frustrated with your mom. She's dealing with a lot of conflicting information and nothing is clear cut.

Thank you! I keep feeling like I’m going slightly crazy and am trying everyone’s patience going on about how booster jabs are essentially immoral and how those vaccines need to be got to the poorest parts of the world as quickly as possible! I’m glad I’m not the only one!
 
In germany a couple of days ago a man was denied Service in a Gas Station without a mask. He went home, got a gun and shot the 20 year old attendend that refused to serve him in the head. And now the anti-mask and anti-vaccine Chat groups are celebrating this as the beginning of the resistance and comparing him to Stauffenberg.
Edit: but those guys are really a fringe group over here, but they are getting more radical

We had a group of deniers forcibly discharge a man with Covid, who agreed with them, from the hospital. He died a few days later. Similarly they’re a minority, I think we have one of the very highest vaccination rates, but they are getting louder and bolder.
 
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I know some people may not agree (for good reason), but I got my booster today. However, I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist who works primarily on patient care areas, and I also have asthma.
Can't be mad at ya for taking what's available in a situation that calls for it. It's not like that booster you took was going to some poor country if you didn't take it. It's a bummer that some places need them and can't get them, but that's not on you.
 
Can't be mad at ya for taking what's available in a situation that calls for it. It's not like that booster you took was going to some poor country if you didn't take it. It's a bummer that some places need them and can't get them, but that's not on you.
Thanks, I mean part of me does feel guilty, but we just have so many deniers here in Montana, and Covid is just going up and up.
 
I am eligible for a booster in a couple weeks. I work in construction but I am regularly in active hospital spaces and right now that includes ICU and NICU as well as ED. You bet your ass I'm getting it. I fucking walk past active COVID rooms regularly. Sure, I don't want to get sick but more importantly I don't want to kill anyone's kid. I can't conceive of not taking what is available in this situation. I am curious to know how hard a booster is going to hit compared to the first rounds, though, so I can best schedule it around life.
 
I know some people may not agree (for good reason), but I got my booster today. However, I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist who works primarily on patient care areas, and I also have asthma.
Like everything else, some people are blowing the booster shot way out of proportion. It boils down to what you do and your age, outside of that it isn't a "Must Have" quite yet for everyone. That being said, it's going to be if the un-vaccinated don't get their shit together with the first go around.................which we all know isn't going to happen.

It still just boggles my mind how this is all playing out, I always knew our society was being perceived at a higher standard than it actually is, but damn, we have some really ignorant folks in this country. The same people who carry around cell phones, smoke like chimney's and shove a variety of things in their pie hole without blinking at what might be in it are choosing this hill, this is the hill they're choosing to literally die on.

It's hard to stay positive now a days.
 

Sighs, the trend in GOP controlled states seems to be laxing covid protections. They are in a hurry to get things back to normal for the sake of the economy.

Florida is allowing parents to send students to school who tested positive for covid 19 who are asymptomatic, even though the science shows they can still transmit it.

Why does the battle for getting back to normal have to put kids on the front lines.
 
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