Definitive Audiophile pressings

Oh and by the way @MikeH I think you asked about the Ziggy Mofi vs the AAA remaster the other day. I did do a comparison and what I found, not surprisingly really, is that I found the Mofi to be a lot cleaner with a larger soundstage and a lot more presence. The detail on the Mofi is next level. The 2016 sounds like I'm listening to Bowie at a concert. The Mofi sounds like he's standing in my livingroom. The veiled quality of the OG mix is gone and for better or worse it's all much more forward and present. I love the sound of the Mofi but I can absolutely see why Bowie purists or listeners who are far more familiar with the traditional mix wouldn't really like it, it's definitely different. I don't mind but I also didn't grow up listening to the album, I knew the big hits for sure, but mostly from radio play. It's probably a lot like the Bellman 45 The Band remixes. They're astonishingly clean and clear, but to me they don't sound like the The Band. The sound is totally different and for that reason I prefer the OG mixes.

The ONLY track on the Mofi Ziggy that I found really didn't work at all with this more detailed mix is "Hang On To Yourself". That's supposed to be a wall of sound kind of mix and the Mofi pulls everything apart so much that the song just doesn't sound right, far too crunchy and separated. But that's the only one that I didn't like.
 
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Oh and by the way @MikeH I think you asked about the Ziggy Mofi vs the AAA remaster the other day. I did do a comparison and what I found, not surprisingly really, is that I found the Mofi to be a lot cleaner with a larger soundstage and a lot more presence. The detail on the Mofi is next level. The 2016 sounds like I'm listening to Bowie at a concert. The Mofi sounds like he's standing in my livingroom. The veiled quality of the OG mix is gone and for better or worse it's all much more forward and present. I love the sound of the Mofi but I can absolutely see why Bowie purists or listeners who are far more familiar with the traditional mix wouldn't really like it, it's definitely different. I don't mind but I also didn't grow up listening to the album, I knew the big hits for sure, but mostly from radio play. It's probably a lot like the Bellman 45 The Band remixes. They're astonishingly clean and clear, but to me they don't sound like the The Band. The sound is totally different and for that reason I prefer the OG mixes.

The ONLY track on the Mofi Ziggy that I found really didn't work at all with this more detailed mix is "Hang On To Yourself". That's supposed to be a wall of sound kind of mix and the Mofi pulls everything apart so much that the song just doesn't sound right, far too crunchy and separated. But that's the only one that I didn't like.
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That is my take on the record. I had been listening to Ziggy for about 20yrs by the time I heard the MoFi version. It just sounded wrong to me. That said I only listened to it a couple of times and have not heard it in at least 15yrs.
 
Mather said:
Oh and by the way @MikeH I think you asked about the Ziggy Mofi vs the AAA remaster the other day. I did do a comparison and what I found, not surprisingly really, is that I found the Mofi to be a lot cleaner with a larger soundstage and a lot more presence. The detail on the Mofi is next level. The 2016 sounds like I'm listening to Bowie at a concert. The Mofi sounds like he's standing in my livingroom. The veiled quality of the OG mix is gone and for better or worse it's all much more forward and present. I love the sound of the Mofi but I can absolutely see why Bowie purists or listeners who are far more familiar with the traditional mix wouldn't really like it, it's definitely different. I don't mind but I also didn't grow up listening to the album, I knew the big hits for sure, but mostly from radio play. It's probably a lot like the Bellman 45 The Band remixes. They're astonishingly clean and clear, but to me they don't sound like the The Band. The sound is totally different and for that reason I prefer the OG mixes.

The ONLY track on the Mofi Ziggy that I found really didn't work at all with this more detailed mix is "Hang On To Yourself". That's supposed to be a wall of sound kind of mix and the Mofi pulls everything apart so much that the song just doesn't sound right, far too crunchy and separated. But that's the only one that I didn't like.
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Thanks! I’m in a similar boat to you. I knew the hits and everything but wasn’t an obsessive listener to the album prior to picking up the MoFi, which I got for a really good deal. And I was blown away by how much I liked the MoFi pressing considering I had seen near universal hatred of it in reviews online. But your explanation makes sense and I have a feeling quite a few of the people who got the MoFi early on felt the same way.
 
If any of you have the Leonard Cohen "Songs of Love and Hate", Sony Legacy or MOV (same plates) do you care to comment on quality? I had the KPG Sundazed but both copies I got the pressing was just horrid and pretty much rendered it unlistenable.
 
Mather said:
If any of you have the Leonard Cohen "Songs of Love and Hate", Sony Legacy or MOV (same plates) do you care to comment on quality? I had the KPG Sundazed but both copies I got the pressing was just horrid and pretty much rendered it unlistenable.
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weird! i have this one and it sounds solid:
www.discogs.com

Leonard Cohen - Songs Of Love And Hate

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2009 Vinyl release of "Songs Of Love And Hate" on Discogs.
www.discogs.com www.discogs.com
 
MikeH said:
it's just a collectors item now. i see them for sale/trade on facebook all the time for $800+ sealed and hardly anybody ever bites on them.
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Yeah just read the reviews of the pressings, generally not great. I don't think these are made for actual listeners.
 
Mather said:
Yeah just read the reviews of the pressings, generally not great. I don't think these are made for actual listeners.
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This is the crazy thing about it. Their USP (other than exclusivity) is that they use the same equipment, original tapes, yadda yadda, in order to create the definitive pressing of the album. In reality, it seems like they always have issues with quality.

The guy that runs the In Groove posted a few videos of him unboxing them in the past and each time there was problems.
 
Mather said:
If any of you have the Leonard Cohen "Songs of Love and Hate", Sony Legacy or MOV (same plates) do you care to comment on quality? I had the KPG Sundazed but both copies I got the pressing was just horrid and pretty much rendered it unlistenable.
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I have this one...
www.discogs.com

Leonard Cohen - Songs Of Love And Hate

View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2016 Vinyl release of "Songs Of Love And Hate" on Discogs.
www.discogs.com www.discogs.com
I think I picked it up for like $10 off of Amazon like 5 years ago. I sounds pretty good to me. I haven't spun it in awhile but I do not recall any issues with noise.
 
There is a mother lode of announced MoFi One Step & Super Vinyl available for preorder if u call Music Direct. Don’t do it. :)
 
Crabbers said:
Like what ……;)
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Here's what I was just told, and I ordered Cannonball Adderly:

Paul Simon - There Goes Rhymin’ Simon
Elvis Presley - From Elvis in Memphis
Muddy Waters - Folk Singer
Eric Clapton - Unplugged
Crosby, Stills & Nash ‎– Crosby, Stills & Nash
Eagles - Eagles
Eagles - Desperado
Cannonball Adderly - Somethin’ Else

Fwiw, this post was almost 100% accurate: Coming soon - Vinyl Gourmet
 
Crabbers said:
Like what ……;)
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Andy said:
...tell us, we are weak
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Well I didn’t order the 2nd Paul Simon title or an upcoming Elvis. Had to show myself I could hold back…..

That left One-Steps:
The Eagles S/T and Desperado
CS&N S/T
Muddy Waters -Folk Singer
Eric Clapton - Unplugged
Cannonball Adderley - Something Else

And Super Vinyl
David Crosby - If I Could Only Rem My Name

It wasn’t an issue for me at the moment but FWIW you can only order 1 copy of David Crosby. :)
 
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