Pre-Order Thread

blissfullychaotic said:
Yeah I figured he was but It's just a lazy generalization to make, regardless of the circumstances that term has been used for so long and in every instance it carries a negative connotation, and leaving it be allows that type of negativity to flourish, there's better ways to describe crappy systems without putting down an entire population.
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I apologise if I offended anybody. I have to put a little context here, I think. As @Selaws said, I was referring to the copycats products like Aidads or Ñike or Sqny. I am from Argentina and we have a very fucked system when it comes to importation: the "original" brands are 75% from the USA and maybe a 15% from Europe. But that is not what moves the economy here: here everybody buys Aidads. And we call them "Chinese products". We even call "Chinese" to the supermarkets with low prices; they are not supermarkets for us, they are "chinos".
So in my post I was under no circumstance trying to use a derogatory term; there was just so much lost in translation. But I apologise again if anybody felt offended.
 
wokeupnew said:
Small anecdote. I remember getting into Sugar in 2010. I was listening to a lot of Husker Du/Sugar when I would play Fallout: New Vegas, Which coincidentally has a part of the game that takes place at the Hoover Dam. I didn't plan on listening/playing with that coincidence but it was an amazing thing to discover because that song came on exactly when I was on that part. I still think of that game whenever I listen to Sugar lol.

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Small anecdote: I remember buying Copper Blue as a new release/CD during Midnight Monday at the local independent music store during my sophomore year in college.
Good lord.....I am old.
 
SJR said:
Bob Mould - Distortion: 1989-1995 — 8LP box set, Workbook to FU:EL, 140g clear splattered vinyl, new sleeve artwork. All vinyl links here including a limited to 750 worldwide indie signed exclusive here – Distortion: 1989-1995 [VINYL] - Bob Mould

Full details here - https://demonmusicgroup.co.uk

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Got my indie/autographed version locked in. Absolute no-brainer for me.
 
The Commish said:
Small anecdote: I remember buying Copper Blue as a new release/CD during Midnight Monday at the local independent music store during my sophomore year in college.
Good lord.....I am old.
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Small anecdote: I saw Bob Mould do a solo acoustic show supporting BSoR in 1991 at the Grand Emporium (RIP) in Kansas City.
I was 21 at the time. Good lord, I am really old.

And, a question: At over 55 minutes long, how on earth can Black Sheets of Rain sound good crammed onto one LP?
 
blissfullychaotic said:
Audio Technica is also `made in China` but 🤷

It's getting really old seeing this type of slur being used as if everything made there is complete garbage , and I will continue to stand up and say something when I see it. I find it very derogatory
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Not everything made in China is garbage not everything made in Japan or Germany or The US is great. China is notorious for not have the best QC. Ideally for that reputation to change is to develop a better reputation by providing better QC. Korea and Japan were both in the same boat when they were an emerging economy and over the span of a couple decades turned around their reputations completely. China could and may do that eventually but they are not there yet.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Not everything made in China is garbage not everything made in Japan or Germany or The US is great. China is notorious for not have the best QC. Ideally for that reputation to change is to develop a better reputation by providing better QC. Korea and Japan were both in the same boat when they were an emerging economy and over the span of a couple decades turned around their reputations completely. China could and may do that eventually but they are not there yet.
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
Not everything made in China is garbage not everything made in Japan or Germany or The US is great. China is notorious for not have the best QC. Ideally for that reputation to change is to develop a better reputation by providing better QC. Korea and Japan were both in the same boat when they were an emerging economy and over the span of a couple decades turned around their reputations completely. China could and may do that eventually but they are not there yet.
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China's notoriety is more centered around counterfeiting which is what I thought the OP was referring to and thus rather relevant.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Not everything made in China is garbage not everything made in Japan or Germany or The US is great. China is notorious for not have the best QC. Ideally for that reputation to change is to develop a better reputation by providing better QC. Korea and Japan were both in the same boat when they were an emerging economy and over the span of a couple decades turned around their reputations completely. China could and may do that eventually but they are not there yet.
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You can't pretend that there weren't racist/war fueled components that aided in propagating those stereotypes though. People didn't want things made in Germany either for that reason.

China manufacturing today is already very different than a few decades ago. Western companies manufacturing their goods in China have built their own factories and trained employees and hold them to the standard they want. If a product breaks it is usually the fault of the company itself, not the manufacturing location.
 
debianlinux said:
China's notoriety is more centered around counterfeiting which is what I thought the OP was referring to and thus rather relevant.
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I must of missed that I thought they were referring to Crosley’s being garbage and then I was replying to the statement that AT makes nice Turntables in China and just because things are made in China doesn’t mean mean that it’s automatically shit.
 
dropsonde said:
Did you find a stateside indie source that has it for preorder?
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BullMoose is taking a limited number number of the indie/signed litho version. Their listing wasn’t clear if stateside were getting the splatter (the sheet just says clear, but I haven’t seen any mention of a plain clear with autograph on the label site, so I suspect it is the same as the UK indies).
 
Waitressboy said:
I apologise if I offended anybody. I have to put a little context here, I think. As @Selaws said, I was referring to the copycats products like Aidads or Ñike or Sqny. I am from Argentina and we have a very fucked system when it comes to importation: the "original" brands are 75% from the USA and maybe a 15% from Europe. But that is not what moves the economy here: here everybody buys Aidads. And we call them "Chinese products". We even call "Chinese" to the supermarkets with low prices; they are not supermarkets for us, they are "chinos".
So in my post I was under no circumstance trying to use a derogatory term; there was just so much lost in translation. But I apologise again if anybody felt offended.
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I am El Salvadorian, born in Canada and we also call the supermarket and restaurant we go to "chinos".
 
Corycm said:
BullMoose is taking a limited number number of the indie/signed litho version. Their listing wasn’t clear if stateside were getting the splatter (the sheet just says clear, but I haven’t seen any mention of a plain clear with autograph on the label site, so I suspect it is the same as the UK indies).
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Awesome, thank you

I also checked US Amazon for their signed, full 24-CD collection exclusive but not listed as available. Not sure if it’s yet to be posted or if it sold out that quickly.

https://www.amazon.com/Distortion-1989-2019-Signed-Exclusive-24CD/dp/B08FD1SWKY/
 
dhodo said:
You can't pretend that there weren't racist/war fueled components that aided in propagating those stereotypes though. People didn't want things made in Germany either for that reason.

China manufacturing today is already very different than a few decades ago. Western companies manufacturing their goods in China have built their own factories and trained employees and hold them to the standard they want. If a product breaks it is usually the fault of the company itself, not the manufacturing location.
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No, I am sure many consumers were and are Racist. Unfortunately that is how the world works my point is that these countries overcame these negative stereotypes by improving their production quality (for better or worse). China may do the same (though the Communist regime likely hinders that development) but at this point they are not yet there. Even once the quality improves (and it has improved) it will take a bit of time likely a generation for those beliefs to change. My Grandpa would have rather died than drive a Japanese car. I have only driven Japanese cars (that are likely at least partially manufactured in the Southern US or Mexico). The reputation of Kia and Hyundai have improved greatly over the past 20 years. The same could happen with Chinese manufactured goods but they are not there yet.
 
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