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Clint Howard said:
I'd argue that groups like Portishead, Massive Attack and Prodigy all did way more for mainstreaming electronic music than Daft Punk did. They just took it to another level.
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I agree and honestly I think that Massive Attack almost deserves their own category. I don't know that there has been anything before or after that sounds like them or holds the significance they have in bringing that "sound" into the public consciousness.

Damn I love Massive Attack.
 
TCell said:
I'm an idiot. How have we not mentioned Sleater-Kinney?! That's clearly a top 5 band.

And Outkast? Not sure; do we consider them a band?
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Sleater-Kinney’s most recent album was disappointing though! Maybe that’s why you forgot to mention them!

Their album “The Woods” is amazing though! It’s one of my favourite VMP exclusives from last year actually!
 
Here are just a bunch of opinions I'm gonna blurt out

  • Arctic Monkeys need to be in this conversation. They put in the work and remain relatively known in the mainstream, win awards
  • The Strokes may lose their spot because output from them has been less then great at times. (I love Angles, why don't you.)
  • Sleater-Kinney don't seem to have a big enough following or....songs to put them in the conversation. I also don't like their music. Paramore, HAIM, Chvrches even Metric should be considered more the SK.
  • The Roots are now more known for being Jimmy Fallons band then actual music they have out. This is is coming from someone who learned of them from Jimmys show. Would they have the library of music, awards, financial success and public recognition to be put in the top 5 bands? Top 5 working bands? Top 5 hip hop groups? I don't think so but i'm ignorant to what they have accomplished besides collaborations, the soulqarian movement. I know more of what Questlove has done.
  • While I really love bands like Foo Fighters and Queens of the Stone Age. I don't feel like they would be in this conversation either. Foo Fighters because they have played it safe to the point that they are becoming the next generation of dad rock. Dave Grohl does interesting projects and collaborations but they seem to bland to be anything other then radio rock icons. They do tour alot and put out enough music to be somewhat relevant I just feel word saying they are a top 5 band.
  • Queens, I kinda feel the same way but, their has been innovative to a point. Their albums barely ever sound the same. They do tour alot but never seem to get recognition or awards.
  • 21 Pilots and Imagine Dragons are probably gonna be considered because they move fucking units but Imagine Dragons can go die in a pile.

I honestly forgot what the criteria that was put for this and I just started writing what was on the top of my head. Ignore this if needed.
 
since we started with the roots, i wonder where Kanye or jay-z or beyonce would fit into this picture. i´m not deep enogh into their catalogue to pass a judgement, but Kanyes work ahs been spotty and inconsistent but in this incosistency Always a Topic and an influence. beyonces rise from destinys child on is certainly stellar.

But , yeah. it was limited to bands/Groups than those individuals are out.
 
AudioAce said:
  • The Strokes may lose their spot because output from them has been less then great at times. (I love Angles, why don't you.)
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i have to Admit it`s maybe because of i was already in University when they broke out and although i liked their first two Albums i always found them overrated. I know they exploded differently in the US Scene , but i remember always wondering what was so special about them. there were plenty of abnds with a similar style before them that i would have probably not listed them in the top 5 of active bands in 2001/2002, but never in any consideration of top bands of the last 25 years
 
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Jan said:
i have to admitit`s maybe because of i was already in University when they broke out and although i liked their first two Albums i always found them overrated. I know they exploded differently in the US Scene , but i remember always wondering what was so special about them. there were plenty of abnds with a similar style before them that i would have probably not listed them in the top 5 of active bands in 2001/2002, but never in any consideration of top bands of the last 25 years
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Did you not get the mega super hype of them in Germany at the time then? The music press in the Uk went absolutely insane on The Strokes and they were hyped beyond belief. I know the old NME used to love to pick totem band but I don’t think they ever hyped, or actually still hype in some ways, anyone as much as first few albums The Strokes. Their debut came out just before I went to uni, or maybe even in my first few weeks there, and they definitely felt like they were supposed to be the second coming at that time.

Personally, nah, not even close. If it’s indie/rock it’s probably Radiohead because they are innovative and good, traversed the entire period and also shift colossal amounts of units too.
 
Joe Mac said:
Did you not get the mega super hype of them in Germany at the time then? The music press in the Uk went absolutely insane on The Strokes and they were hyped beyond belief. I know the old NME used to love to pick totem band but I don’t think they ever hyped, or actually still hype in some ways, anyone as much as first few albums The Strokes. Their debut came out just before I went to uni, or maybe even in my first few weeks there, and they definitely felt like they were supposed to be the second coming at that time.

Personally, nah, not even close. If it’s indie/rock it’s probably Radiohead because they are innovative and good, traversed the entire period and also shift colossal amounts of units too.
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yes, i think they were all over the german music magazines as well, but they´ve never been as big tastemakers as NME in the uk. I just remembering at that time that i liked the record, but thought What´s the big deal, here?
 
Jan said:
yes, i think they were all over the german music magazines as well, but they´ve never been as big tastemakers as NME in the uk. I just remembering at that time that i liked the record, but thought What´s the big deal, here?
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Honestly, I was pretty similar initially. Since I’ve revised that and think their debut was worth the hype. I don’t think anything they did afterwards came even remotely close. What they did do was “change the scene”. I can’t see that there would have been room for the likes of The Libertines, and later the Arctic Monkeys, to come through without their debut and it’s hype.
 
Joe Mac said:
Honestly, I was pretty similar initially. Since I’ve revised that and think their debut was worth the hype. I don’t think anything they did afterwards came even remotely close. What they did do was “change the scene”. I can’t see that there would have been room for the likes of The Libertines, and later the Arctic Monkeys, to come through without their debut and it’s hype.
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I enjoyed The Strokes when they came out but never really understood the megahype. I attributed that much more to who they were rather than their music itself. As for The Libertines and a lot of rock from that era, I think they owed a lot more to the White Stripes than they did The Strokes. I know he's kinda vinyl-jerk material now but Jack White really helped change the soundscape, way more than The Stripes Strokes did imho.

And again, I say this as someone who owned the original UK pressing of their debut since it dropped.
 
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Clint Howard said:
I enjoyed The Strokes when they came out but never really understood the megahype. I attributed that much more to who they were rather than their music itself. As for The Libertines and a lot of rock from that era, I think they owed a lot more to the White Stripes than they did The Strokes. I know he's kinda vinyl-jerk material now but Jack White really helped change the soundscape, way more than The Stripes did imho.

And again, I say this as someone who owned the original UK pressing of their debut since it dropped.
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Was talking more in terms of breaking the scene and opening the door than direct inspiration. I’d argue The Libertines were just too English in pretty much every way to have been musically influenced by either of those.

I have the original uk release since it came out too, less impressive here though seeing as I was living there at the time 😂
 

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Joe Mac said:
Was talking more in terms of breaking the scene and opening the door than direct inspiration. I’d argue The Libertines were just too English in pretty much every way to have been musically influenced by either of those.

I have the original uk release since it came out too, less impressive here though seeing as I was living there at the time 😂
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Thing is, Stripes were big in Europe.. one of the first label's to really fuck with them was in Italy iirc? They had influence in circles long before they ever 'broke'. I know their sounds are not analogous but I feel like without WS, there'd be no Strokes.
 
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Thing is, Stripes were big in Europe.. one of the first label's to really fuck with them was in Italy iirc? They had influence in circles long before they ever 'broke'. I know their sounds are not analogous but I feel like without WS, there'd be no Strokes.
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Yeah White Stripes broke pretty early in the UK too, I remember getting an import copy of White Blood Cells on the back of an NME live review probably 6 months before Is This It came out. That said it was very much something slightly underground me and my mates and people that were into indie would have been hyping until Elephant came out. My aunties and uncles had copies of Is This It, that’s kinda the difference.
 
AudioAce said:
  • The Roots are now more known for being Jimmy Fallons band then actual music they have out. This is is coming from someone who learned of them from Jimmys show. Would they have the library of music, awards, financial success and public recognition to be put in the top 5 bands? Top 5 working bands? Top 5 hip hop groups? I don't think so but i'm ignorant to what they have accomplished besides collaborations, the soulqarian movement. I know more of what Questlove has done.
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The Roots are one of those groups where once you scratch the surface you soon realize they have been so so so influential in the world of music. They have guided, produced, and assisted a crazy amount of now renown musicians including Erykah Badu, Common, D'Angelo (Voodoo won a Grammy), Jay-Z, Amy Winehouse, John Legend, Elvis Costello, Slum Village, etc. They have also worked on films and broadway shows, most notably 'Hamilton' (where The Roots are credited as producers). This is all before we even mention their own albums.

They have released 11 studio albums (9 of which ranked within the top 5 US R&B Charts, and 7 breaking the top 20 US Charts) 2EP's, and 3 collaborative albums (2 breaking the top 20 US Charts). They have 3 Grammy's (not including the Grammy won for Hamilton) plus countless other awards. Their live shows are constantly ranked as being amongst the best in the world, and the critical reviews match this claim. Its difficult to state their net worth from music alone, but Black Thought has a net value of $12Million and Questlove had $16Million. Its more than likely that a considerable chunk of this stems from their albums. I would also add that they are one of those groups where you may struggle to name a song by them, but they actually have a load of instantly recognizable songs.

I completely agree with you that a lot of people will only know them as 'Jimmy Fallon's House Band', but the reason they were offered that role is BECAUSE of their already stellar career. In fact, when first approaching them with the offer Fallon completely expected to be turned down by them, and it wasn't until Questlove turned the corner to see Fallon and the rest of the Roots messing around (they were on the floor making a human pyramid) that they agreed to be part of it (they thought it would be a good platform to remove the pressures of their other work and just play around).

This was a actually a fun exercise :LOL:
 
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Selaws said:
The Roots are one of those groups where once you scratch the surface you soon realize they have been so so so influential in the world of music. They have guided, produced, and assisted a crazy amount of now renown musicians including Erykah Badu, Common, D'Angelo (Voodoo won a Grammy), Jay-Z, Amy Winehouse, John Legend, Elvis Costello, Slum Village, etc. They have also worked on films and broadway shows, most notably 'Hamilton' (where The Roots are credited as producers). This is all before we even mention their own albums.

They have released 11 studio albums (9 of which ranked within the top 5 US R&B Charts, and 7 breaking the top 20 US Charts) 2EP's, and 3 collaborative albums (2 breaking the top 20 US Charts). They have 3 Grammy's (not including the Grammy won for Hamilton) plus countless other awards. Their live shows are constantly ranked as being amongst the best in the world, and the critical reviews match this claim. Its difficult to state their net worth from music alone, but Black Thought has a net value of $12Million and Questlove had $16Million. Its more than likely that a considerable chunk of this stems from their albums. I would also add that they are one of those groups where you may struggle to name a song by them, but they actually have a load of instantly recognizable songs.

I completely agree with you that a lot of people will only know them as 'Jimmy Fallon's House Band', but the reason they were offered that role is BECAUSE of their already stellar career. In fact, when first approaching them with the offe, Fallon completely expected to be turned down by them, and it wasn't until Questlove turned the corner to see Fallon and the rest of the Roots messing around (they were on the floor making a human pyramid) that they agreed to be part of it (they thought it would be a good platform to remove the pressures of their other work and just play around).

This was a actually a fun exercise :LOL:
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My kids now know the Roots because of Jimmy Fallon and Sesame Street skits and I think that is pretty awesome.
 
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