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"No stimulus check for you!"--Mitch McConnel.

Democrats signaled Wednesday they'll agree to a stimulus deal that doesn't include direct payments to Americans.
Party leaders said they’re willing to restart negotiations using the $908 billion bipartisan framework introduced earlier this week, which does not include sending stimulus checks to individual taxpayers. The concession, which comes after months of stonewalling from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, also means that Democrats may accept a deal worth nearly a trillion dollars less than what the White House had offered House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in October.

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Democrats Just Caved on COVID Stimulus Checks

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nolalady said:
"No stimulus check for you!"--Mitch McConnel.

Democrats signaled Wednesday they'll agree to a stimulus deal that doesn't include direct payments to Americans.
Party leaders said they’re willing to restart negotiations using the $908 billion bipartisan framework introduced earlier this week, which does not include sending stimulus checks to individual taxpayers. The concession, which comes after months of stonewalling from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, also means that Democrats may accept a deal worth nearly a trillion dollars less than what the White House had offered House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in October.

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Democrats Just Caved on COVID Stimulus Checks

Congressional Democrats are looking at nearly a trillion dollars less than what they were offered months ago.
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Pathetic.
 
Dtknuckles said:
What else do you expect them to do? To get anything done it has to go through the republican senate.
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I feel like even a little bit of hardball would go a long way. I do know the current dem strategy of curling up in a ball and letting republicans humiliate them every month isn't doing them any favors.
 
Dtknuckles said:
What else do you expect them to do? To get anything done it has to go through the republican senate.
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Also, if the sticking point was that one side wants to send money directly to people and that was the thing holding up the stimulus package, I would assume that their would be A LOT of angry constituents. I would say very few things have higher bi-partisan support than stimulus checks.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Also, if the sticking point was that one side wants to send money directly to people and that was the thing holding up the stimulus package, I would assume that their would be A LOT of angry constituents. I would say very few things have higher bi-partisan support than stimulus checks.
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But but but it's much better for everyone if it's trickling down
 
dhodo said:
Haha, took me the longest time to realize PA was missing.
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Nebraska was the one that tripped me up. I knew something was off in that general area, but I couldn't remember what was supposed to go there.

Where I stole this from, most commentators got tripped up on PA like you. It was actually quite funny. Wonder why PA keeps getting people. It should be so obvious that it is missing with how much it changes the map.
 
The number of homeless people in Salem has substantially grown this year.

Their presence is very visible where I live the last few months.

About a block down the road there is an undeveloped lot that is all ledge. I had noticed that some homeless had moved in and set up tents.
In just the last couple weeks, now that all the leaves are gone I have noticed them right out back behind my apartment building. Between the back of my apartment building and the high school is about 300 feet of woods with high tension lines running through the middle. I have noticed 3 tents out back under the high tension lines. And so have my neighbors now, because now there is a petition going around to get the city of Salem to force them out. They are very much afraid for their children's safety. There is also fear that they could be rapists. All overblown but that's the reality we live in and how many look at homeless. This is my 6 winter coming up in Salem, and I have never once seen homeless people under the high tension lines or in the undeveloped lot further down the road. Also, other than 1 homeless guy that slept under the stairs at the commuter rail station in the winter, there was never any visible homeless downtown. Now peddlers are everywhere.

It's a really sad situation. And the fact that housing / rent keeps going up much faster than inflation and absolute zero attempts to create affordable housing passes zoning a year like 2020 probably pushed a lot of people over the edge.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
The number of homeless people in Salem has substantially grown this year.

Their presence is very visible where I live the last few months.

About a block down the road there is an undeveloped lot that is all ledge. I had noticed that some homeless had moved in and set up tents.
In just the last couple weeks, now that all the leaves are gone I have noticed them right out back behind my apartment building. Between the back of my apartment building and the high school is about 300 feet of woods with high tension lines running through the middle. I have noticed 3 tents out back under the high tension lines. And so have my neighbors now, because now there is a petition going around to get the city of Salem to force them out. They are very much afraid for their children's safety. There is also fear that they could be rapists. All overblown but that's the reality we live in and how many look at homeless. This is my 6 winter coming up in Salem, and I have never once seen homeless people under the high tension lines or in the undeveloped lot further down the road. Also, other than 1 homeless guy that slept under the stairs at the commuter rail station in the winter, there was never any visible homeless downtown. Now peddlers are everywhere.

It's a really sad situation. And the fact that housing / rent keeps going up much faster than inflation and absolute zero attempts to create affordable housing passes zoning a year like 2020 probably pushed a lot of people over the edge.
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The situation you describe is pretty much the entire west coast for at least the last 10 years and it has progressively gotten worse.
 
nolalady said:
"No stimulus check for you!"--Mitch McConnel.

Democrats signaled Wednesday they'll agree to a stimulus deal that doesn't include direct payments to Americans.
Party leaders said they’re willing to restart negotiations using the $908 billion bipartisan framework introduced earlier this week, which does not include sending stimulus checks to individual taxpayers. The concession, which comes after months of stonewalling from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, also means that Democrats may accept a deal worth nearly a trillion dollars less than what the White House had offered House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in October.

www.vice.com

Democrats Just Caved on COVID Stimulus Checks

Congressional Democrats are looking at nearly a trillion dollars less than what they were offered months ago.
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Mitch McConnell is at at it again.

I just read news story on Apple News Plus that lives behind a paywall, so I can't link it, but basically to sum it up Mitch McConnell has not indicated one way or another whether he would support this relief bill.

Indications and insiders are pointing too that he may instead, bring a similar version of the bill to the floor that the senate has been drafting to vote on instead. The senate version of the bill is very similar to the bill detailed last week minus expanded unemployment. It does not include the extra $300 a week for people who are unemployed.

We will have to wait and see what happens. But he might try to move forward without expanded unemployment and see if he can get that past before either trying to negotiate the expanded unemployment or end up in another stalemate trying to force his hand.

The Republican senate does not have strong support for expanded unemployment. Too many of them, it is frivolous spending and socialist / welfare state policies.

Give relieve to corporations, small businesses and profit generating systems is where they are at. Not helping the people in need.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Mitch McConnell is at at it again.

I just read news story on Apple News Plus that lives behind a paywall, so I can't link it, but basically to sum it up Mitch McConnell has not indicated one way or another whether he would support this relief bill.

Indications and insiders are pointing too that he may instead, bring a similar version of the bill to the floor that the senate has been drafting to vote on instead. The senate version of the bill is very similar to the bill detailed last week minus expanded unemployment. It does not include the extra $300 a week for people who are unemployed.

We will have to wait and see what happens. But he might try to move forward without expanded unemployment and see if he can get that past before either trying to negotiate the expanded unemployment or end up in another stalemate trying to force his hand.

The Republican senate does not have strong support for expanded unemployment. Too many of them, it is frivolous spending and socialist / welfare state policies.

Give relieve to corporations, small businesses and profit generating systems is where they are at. Not helping the people in need.
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Trickle down is even stupider when the reason people are laid off is because they have no business. Throwing money at that business doesn't do shit. They aren't going to hire people when they have no/less customers/demand.

My factory is going to cut production in half next year because demand is so low. If they get money, there is no way they are paying the same number of manufacturing techs for half of them to do nothing. Sure, they might keep on a few more future development people or something, but those techs are not qualified for those jobs.
 
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dhodo said:
Trickle down is even stupider when the reason people are laid off is because they have no business. Throwing money at that business doesn't do shit. They aren't going to hire people when they have no/less customers/demand.

My factory is going to cut production in half next year because production is so low. If they get money, there is no way they are paying the same number of manufacturing techs for half of them to do nothing. Sure, they might keep on a few more future development people or something, but those techs are not qualified for those jobs.
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Nope, not at all. But it might help shareholders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think they care about pushing through protections for businesses limiting them from any form of liability more than anything else.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Nope, not at all. But it might help shareholders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think they care about pushing through protections for businesses limiting them from any form of liability more than anything else.
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TBH, I hope this “skinny” bill blows up. There is going to have to be at least one more stimulus bill passed but getting a third passed might prove impossible depending on the circumstances. The Dems (and de facto average Americans) would be better served attempting to pass a big 2nd stimulus under Biden, it will allow him to press harder to get it done.
 
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