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bdrummond said:
And yeah, if anyone's watching Hacks lemme know what you think of the new season. We enjoyed the three seasons, but the toxic relationship just became too much to watch by episode 4.

EDIT: I just realized we're on season 4!
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I agree that the Ava / Deborah relationship has been rough in S4 but I still enjoy the show. This week was a great episode of tv.
 
So I’m giving a shot to the new Daredevil season and the music… it reminds me so much of the music from Succession. Anyone else notice this? Did Daredevil use the same music back in the Netflix days? I don’t recall.
 
tvham said:
I agree that the Ava / Deborah relationship has been rough in S4 but I still enjoy the show. This week was a great episode of tv.
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Yup these are similar to my feelings. I am enjoying season 4 but I don't love the amplification of toxicity between the two. The first two had conflict between the two of them but it was kind of them learning one another. And the third was nice cause they felt unified in creating/finding Deborah's voice with still the usual repartee between them. But season 4 lost a lot of the charm in the midst of the chaos.
 
I am not a Star Wars guy, nor even much of a TV guy much anymore these days, but even I have to admit that this season of Andor is just remarkable.

Tony Gilroy I think was famously not a Star Wars guy either when he was tapped to make the show, but it seems like he's just using the Star Wars IP to apply all of his dense political know-how and screenwriting ability, and it's paying off.

I'm listening to a podcast that's breaking down this season by the episode, and the show is to a T how revolutionary tactics actually work, how fascism encroaches and manipulates, how media and public perspective are used to both ends, the dynamics of power, realistic personal and professional cost, leftist infighting, etc etc. There are real world applications and examples to almost all of the story beats here.

And on top of all that, it's entertaining. Excited to see how they stick the landing with the last 3 eps, but the fact that Gilroy baeically snuck real world revolutionary idealology into a massive budget Disney series feels like a tentpole moment in TV history.
 
ayayrawn said:
I am not a Star Wars guy, nor even much of a TV guy much anymore these days, but even I have to admit that this season of Andor is just remarkable.

Tony Gilroy I think was famously not a Star Wars guy either when he was tapped to make the show, but it seems like he's just using the Star Wars IP to apply all of his dense political know-how and screenwriting ability, and it's paying off.

I'm listening to a podcast that's breaking down this season by the episode, and the show is to a T how revolutionary tactics actually work, how fascism encroaches and manipulates, how media and public perspective are used to both ends, the dynamics of power, realistic personal and professional cost, leftist infighting, etc etc. There are real world applications and examples to almost all of the story beats here.

And on top of all that, it's entertaining. Excited to see how they stick the landing with the last 3 eps, but the fact that Gilroy baeically snuck real world revolutionary idealology into a massive budget Disney series feels like a tentpole moment in TV history.
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Andor is a show that transcends the Star Wars IP. It's fantastic television whether you're a fan of the franchise or not.
Shows like Mandalorian kind of require you to have some level of SW fandom, whereas Andor stands completely on its own. My wife isn't a SW fan and is counting down the minutes until the next episodes drop. We have a Rogue One viewing planned for afterwards.

And yeah, it works so well because whether it's in a Galaxy Far Far Away or not, it's 100% believable. Like we're putting aside mystical space wizards, and showing things like the Ghorman massacre, which could, and probably has happened many times in human history, with very similar motivations. This is real life, in a sci fi universe.
 
bdrummond said:
Andor is a show that transcends the Star Wars IP. It's fantastic television whether you're a fan of the franchise or not.
Shows like Mandalorian kind of require you to have some level of SW fandom, whereas Andor stands completely on its own. My wife isn't a SW fan and is counting down the minutes until the next episodes drop. We have a Rogue One viewing planned for afterwards.

And yeah, it works so well because whether it's in a Galaxy Far Far Away or not, it's 100% believable. Like we're putting aside mystical space wizards, and showing things like the Ghorman massacre, which could, and probably has happened many times in human history, with very similar motivations. This is real life, in a sci fi universe.
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The Ghorman massacre is arguably happening right now, everyday in Gaza. You have the media talking heads going on about how it's inexplicable anybody would treat the empire like this. You have imperial snipers intentionally shooting their own soldiers to rile up against civilians. It's shockingly relevant to what's happening right now.
 
ayayrawn said:
The Ghorman massacre is arguably happening right now, everyday in Gaza. You have the media talking heads going on about how it's inexplicable anybody would treat the empire like this. You have imperial snipers intentionally shooting their own soldiers to rile up against civilians. It's shockingly relevant to what's happening right now.
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I mean...yeah but it's a touchy subject for some and I didn't want to bring it up
 
ayayrawn said:
I am not a Star Wars guy, nor even much of a TV guy much anymore these days, but even I have to admit that this season of Andor is just remarkable.

Tony Gilroy I think was famously not a Star Wars guy either when he was tapped to make the show, but it seems like he's just using the Star Wars IP to apply all of his dense political know-how and screenwriting ability, and it's paying off.

I'm listening to a podcast that's breaking down this season by the episode, and the show is to a T how revolutionary tactics actually work, how fascism encroaches and manipulates, how media and public perspective are used to both ends, the dynamics of power, realistic personal and professional cost, leftist infighting, etc etc. There are real world applications and examples to almost all of the story beats here.

And on top of all that, it's entertaining. Excited to see how they stick the landing with the last 3 eps, but the fact that Gilroy baeically snuck real world revolutionary idealology into a massive budget Disney series feels like a tentpole moment in TV history.
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I think Andor is the best Sci-fi TV show of all-time Star Wars or otherwise and wish Disney would do more with the world built by Gilroy moving forward. But even if they don’t I am so happy we got this. The whole thing cost a small fortune and you can tell as it all looks beautiful.
 
Gilroy talked about how he wasn't reading from the newspaper but instead from the history of our planet where multiple revolutions have happened. He borrowed heavily from WW2 and the build up to it in the late 30s.
 
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