It Could Get A Bit Messi In Here - The Football Thread.

Joe Mac said:
Oh I know, I just don’t particularly dislike Chelsea any more than any of the other London sides. I used to like old spurs with their fancy football and strange managers and implosions but not so much since Levy got in there. I liked their Klinsmann season in the mid 90s when they pretty much played without tactics or any semblance of a plan and just threw loads of talented forwards on, they were a lot of fun to watch!
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Fair enough!

I can't stand them lol

I used to use Spurs all the time on FIFA 06 thru 08! Loved Robbie Keane
 
Jonathan Y said:
Fair enough!

I can't stand them lol

I used to use Spurs all the time on FIFA 06 thru 08! Loved Robbie Keane
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Well I mean any other answer as an Arsenal fan would make me lose respect 😂

Honestly in the early to mid 90s Arsenal we’re a brutal efficient horrible side that won 1-0 and competed for trophies through sheer bloody mindedness. Spurs were an enigma of beautiful flowing pass and move football that never won anything, bar a cup run every decade, usually a year ending with a 1, undermined by a weak underbelly.
 
Joe Mac said:
Can you imagine a Rangers West Ham final. Two groups of far right ultra nationalistic fucking idiots. It’d be carnage.
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I had no idea those clubs had this particular… reputation.

@Joe Mac i know this is not the best day to ask, but I’m curious to know if you can express what it is that you strongly dislike about Liverpool. The club? The fans? I know you respect their current squad. What I’m curious about is what Liverpool’s reputation is from a “local perspective.”

I can totally understand if you cannot or are willing to share your thoughts. When I try to explain my disdain for my least-favorite club in Brazil, I’m not sure I can do it without saying/thinking classist thoughts.
 
bettim84 said:
I had no idea those clubs had this particular… reputation.

@Joe Mac i know this is not the best day to ask, but I’m curious to know if you can express what it is that you strongly dislike about Liverpool. The club? The fans? I know you respect their current squad. What I’m curious about is what Liverpool’s reputation is from a “local perspective.”

I can totally understand if you cannot or are willing to share your thoughts. When I try to explain my disdain for my least-favorite club in Brazil, I’m not sure I can do it without saying/thinking classist thoughts.
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I think i would quite happily describe the
more extreme elements of Rangers support as the worst that humanity has to offer. Particularly the ones that travel from the North. Elements of the West Ham fans, a bit like Chelsea, have had a historic flirtation with the far right. It’s much less prevalent and open nowadays but a strain is definitely still there.

There is a long and historic rivialry between the cities of Manchester and Liverpool, going back to the industrial revolution. A mixture of geography (the two cities are only 35 miles apart) politics and attempted one upmanship.

Both cities has large working class populations and were situated right in the two biggest cities in North West which is the heartland of where professional football took off. That proximity means that despite the two clubs not being in the same city you would in either city be in pretty regular contact with people from the other city.

Add in the fact that they are the two biggest and most successful clubs in English history but equally bizarrely barring a few years in the mid 60s they were never successful at the some time so there is both the drive to be the most successful with the most trophies but also resentment because when they’re on top you’re generally not challenging and having to hear about it forever.

There is also the fact that the two clubs share an almost identical identity. Moulded by singular and driven Scotsman and defined by their tragedies and their response to them and their refusal to be beaten by them. In some ways the thing you like least in someone else is your own reflection.

So I suppose that’s what builds the rivialry and makes it the biggest game of the season. The one you have to win. That creates the us v then atmosphere that means I don’t like them. There are petty little grievances from matches or flashpoints but they don’t matter quite so much.

Also, on the record, outside of football I really love the city of Liverpool and have always found scousers to be a great laugh. Used to love a night out in Liverpool when I was a student in Manchester.
 
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Joe Mac said:
You yanks need to unburden yourselves of all that positivity nonsense, it must be so tiring! Join the dark side of enjoying a good old cathartic moan!
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YES!! I am done with self-help-fake-smile-whistle-while-you-drown positivity. My new favorite target is economic analysts that go on TV and tell you how you should budget while the world is falling apart.

 
nolalady said:
YES!! I am done with self-help-fake-smile-whistle-while-you-drown positivity. My new favorite target is economic analysts that go on TV and tell you how you should budget while the world is falling apart.

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Yep and they feed into the boomer parent mentality that if you didn’t have brunch so often you could save up for a deposit. 20% minimum of a half a million euros is a lot of strange sounding coffee and avocado and poached eggs on toast…
 
Joe Mac said:
Yep and they feed into the boomer parent mentality that if you didn’t have brunch so often you could save up for a deposit. 20% minimum of a half a million euros is a lot of strange sounding coffee and avocado and poached eggs on toast…
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Since we have no real safety nets in our country, my favorite is that we should decrease the amount we are putting in our 401K in order to deal with inflation. They also say that this should be "temporary", just like the inflation...

But back to football!
 
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