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Here is a somewhat off topic dispatch from Trumps America.
Tracy Morgan just bought a $2 Million Bugatti. The dealer was in NYC, and while driving the car home from NYC to his home in NJ he was side swiped by a driver in NYC. The other driver was 100% at fault.
However, the car being $2M, the damage estimate is more than the drivers total liability coverage on their insurance plan. There for the insurance company will not pay more than what's covered leaving Tracy Morgan's insurance company to likely sue the driver at fault for the remaining balance.
When it comes to a car worth that much, should an average joe be on the hook for crippling amounts of damage.
The comparison is the same damage to a normal car would cost $3,000 to fix. But to this ultra expensive Bugatti the minor damage is more than $350,000.
Tracy Morgan just bought a $2 Million Bugatti. The dealer was in NYC, and while driving the car home from NYC to his home in NJ he was side swiped by a driver in NYC. The other driver was 100% at fault.
However, the car being $2M, the damage estimate is more than the drivers total liability coverage on their insurance plan. There for the insurance company will not pay more than what's covered leaving Tracy Morgan's insurance company to likely sue the driver at fault for the remaining balance.
When it comes to a car worth that much, should an average joe be on the hook for crippling amounts of damage.
The comparison is the same damage to a normal car would cost $3,000 to fix. But to this ultra expensive Bugatti the minor damage is more than $350,000.
Sonicpharmacist
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But I thought DJT loved “the gays”.When we normalize and enable hate. When we treat hate as a fringe issue. When we promote the politics of otherism. When we condition people to not give a fuck. These events become normalized.
London bus attack: Arrests after gay couple who refused to kiss beaten
Melania Geymonat and her partner Chris were set upon by a group of men on a London night bus.www.bbc.com
These events happen everyday, whether we see them in them reported in our news feed or not.
If you don't accept people because of their gender, sexuality, religious orientation, nationality, the way they look - F-off, you're horrible
If you use your religious affiliation to justify a false narrative about the right and wrong of sexual orientation - F-off, you're horrible
If you use your identity politics to promote hate / dissension amongst the masses - F-off, you're horrible.
Trump admin tells U.S. embassies no rainbow pride flag on flagpoles
The administration is rejecting requests from U.S. embassies to fly the rainbow flag on flagpoles during June, LGBTQ Pride Month, say 3 U.S. diplomats.www.nbcnews.com
noelledemort
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I feel like if you gotta sue some poor schmoe to fix your car then you should just have to deal with it yourself. Take the insurance payout and pay for the rest yourself. (Doesn't Tracy Morgan have car insurance himself that would be used in cases like this where the other party doesn't have adequate insurance? I think I would want that for such an expensive vehicle.) Yes, the other driver was at fault, but should he be financially devastated because it was his bad luck to hit a $2m car versus a Honda Civic? I don't think so. There should be limits. I'm tired of the rich and powerful using every bit of their reach to stomp all over the rest of us.
Tracy Morgan isn't the issue here. He has no intentions of going after the guy to pay for damages. The issue is his insurance company.
His insurance company will cover the damages. Then try to collect from the other guys insurance (which wont cover nearly enough). Therefor, odds are likely that Tracy Morgan's insurance company will likely try to recover the difference by going after the guy.
noelledemort
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I missed that detail. I switch my blame to the insurance company away from Tracy Morgan, then.
DownIsTheNewUp
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Bernie gave a speech on why Democratic Socialism is the best solution to fighting off the oligarchy this country is becoming.
People ask me why I support Bernie over Warren and my response is similar to those who accuse me of being a Bernie Bro.
As a Social Democrat, I firmly believe nothing can be truly fixed in this country until we get a modern New Deal and move to undo 40+ years of attacks on social safety nets and publicly funded institutions. 40+ years of privatization/deregulation and trillions wasted on for for-profit war.
Cult of personality is not why I support Bermie (though I do find him to be as genuine politicians get) and, no, he is not perfect. But he is the only candidate in this race who disavows neoliberalism, is fighting for SYSTEMIC change and who never fails to stand up for disadvantaged communities.
The same cannot be said of Warren. She is top notch when it comes to fighting deregulation but she views regulation as the primary solution to our woes instead of a part of the solution. She is lacking in ways the Bernie isn't (privatization, the military industrial complex, the fact that she stayed silent on Standing Rock, exc). She has also said she will be taking corporate cash in a general election. Again, I'd still vote for her in a heartbeat, but there are substantial differences between her and Bernie.
People ask me why I support Bernie over Warren and my response is similar to those who accuse me of being a Bernie Bro.
As a Social Democrat, I firmly believe nothing can be truly fixed in this country until we get a modern New Deal and move to undo 40+ years of attacks on social safety nets and publicly funded institutions. 40+ years of privatization/deregulation and trillions wasted on for for-profit war.
Cult of personality is not why I support Bermie (though I do find him to be as genuine politicians get) and, no, he is not perfect. But he is the only candidate in this race who disavows neoliberalism, is fighting for SYSTEMIC change and who never fails to stand up for disadvantaged communities.
The same cannot be said of Warren. She is top notch when it comes to fighting deregulation but she views regulation as the primary solution to our woes instead of a part of the solution. She is lacking in ways the Bernie isn't (privatization, the military industrial complex, the fact that she stayed silent on Standing Rock, exc). She has also said she will be taking corporate cash in a general election. Again, I'd still vote for her in a heartbeat, but there are substantial differences between her and Bernie.
DownIsTheNewUp
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Than you aren't paying attention. Sanders has policy to tackle at least 2/3s of these (or did in 2016 and hasn't completely laid out details yet this cycle).
Warren has solutions to at least 1/3 of them.
I can post links if you want.
DownIsTheNewUp
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You're talking to the wrong person. I'm not into team sports. I see exactly two candidates I trust and will fight for. And I spent 100s of hours in multiple states for Bernie in 16'. A lot of the people I met along the way wound up getting involved in winning (or in my case losing) politics afterwards. City council positions, governor races (Polis), organizations that aided the election of grassroots activist like AOC or Talib. I watched Bernie nurture lots of those people along the way, picket with working people, sit on conversational panels with BLM and then implement their input into his platform, exc, exc, exc.
I've also won and lost a lot of prop related campaigns in my lifetime. So it's not just confined to a canidate.
I understand cynicism. I don't understand cynicism as a blanket statement.
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Enoch
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I really like Bernie, I voted for him in 2016 the primary. My issue now is, I would like someone of his mold that is younger. If that ends up not existing I will probably vote for him again (need to hear more from the other million candidates). I don't want to come off as ageist but admittedly, in this case, I basically am. I just don't want his movement to disappear with him in terms of people actually being in politics so having someone younger in his mold being in the race and endorsed by Bernie would be my preference.
DownIsTheNewUp
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I agree. I also don't think that person exists due to 2 factors. A) the 2010 elections wiped out a lot of young leaders B) a lot of politicians were terrified of his policies or bought out in 2016.
Pete has a huge # of red flags buried in his rhetoric. Beto takes more money from fossil fuels than any other politician in the DNC. I live in CA and Harris fought reform at every step as a prosecutor and no activist I knows trusts her. Especially because her career was easy at every step and no clean politician makes it up the food chain in CA.
The best options imo are Warren and Bernie by a substantial margin. That doesn't mean I don't wish they were younger.
Indymisanthrope
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Dtknuckles
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DownIsTheNewUp
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I took your team sports comment to mean "vote blue" or "vote red". Which is not how I roll.
I also vehemently disagree about Bernie's chances in the midwest. Polling has him doing well against Trump in places like WI and MI, Iowa, ext (and PE though that's not midwest obviously). Places like Indiana or the south? Not so much but those are states that are going red anyways. But either way, your moving the goal posts away from your initial comment.
And my "not paying attention" comment stems from a blanket statement that you made about all candidates when there are policy positions held by both Warren and Sanders that contradict your assertion. It had nothing to do with where in the country you happen to live.
That said, if your assertion is that they aren't going to change anything because they arent going to dismantle capitalism than, sure, that is the case. But good luck finding anyone doing that- especially one who is electable in the same areas of the country that you claim Bernie isn't.
In the meantime, you're passing over politicians who would attempt to move us towards a more inclusive version FDRs America while tackling a lot of the issues you originally mentioned. Not to mention who would treat climate change as the crisis that it is.
Which is a hell of a lot better than where we are right now or have been in my 32 years on this planet.
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DownIsTheNewUp
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I'd add that it's still incredibly early and that candidates are still hashing out details on policy. At this point in 2016, Bernie had just announced. But he eventually rolled out very detailed plans to the policies he was pushing. I expect the same will happen this go round (and it has already begun).
Liz, meanwhile, has made pushing wonky policy the foundation of her campaign.
Liz, meanwhile, has made pushing wonky policy the foundation of her campaign.
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mareinfinitus
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Any chance of these two being running mates at some point, you think?
What if Bernie picked a much younger running mate with similar political views (eg AOC or someone similar). I wonder if that would help persuade the ageists, etc. too bad they don’t typically announce running mates til much further along in the game.
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TheMythOfSisyphus
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^This. Well said.
“I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain. One always finds one's burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled mountain, in itself, forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.” - Albert Camus
Dtknuckles
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TheMythOfSisyphus
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Counter-point: Prince's Joy in Repetition
But, for real, in the larger context the argument is that our whole life/existence IS one cycle of task-completion-task-completion-wash-rinse-repeat.
Regardless, I found @DownIsTheNewUp comment to be poignant - applied not just to their debate with you. And the Camus quotation is - albeit tenuously so and at least in my mind - adjacent. But not trying to hijack this into a (non-political) philosophy thread. Just sharing my respect for their words.