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I’ll actually take the opposing view here and give them the benefit of the doubt on this score. I don’t think the company promotes the all-in-ones beyond their promo imagery, a lot of which is outsourced to marketing/production vendors. They want people to have decent systems. But I see it like I see the case of my elementary school librarian calling my mom to complain that I was only reading books about dragons. One, none of her damn business. Two, I was reading twice as much as any other kid in the class, even if it was about dragons. If the choice is between somebody being scared to dip their toes into the world of vinyl because they don’t know where to start, or playing some records on an approachable machine that appeals to them...you know, man, whatever. I played the HELL out of some records on an old Fisher Price turntable as a kid. Did I get the *best* audio experience from that Ewoks Adventure storybook record? Hell no. Did I damage the records a bit? For sure. But I had fun & enjoyed it, and it gave me good memories. Would I encourage someone to buy a Crosley today? No way. But if they have one, hey...I hope they get lots of enjoyment out of it. The only thing I have ever 100% agreed with Vinyl Junkies on is that the records are meant to be played.
They have an "Top 10 Best All In One Turntables" Listicle. They promote them a little bit. I'm not inherently against people owning them, epecially if they enjoy them but I do think they have the possibility to turn people off the hobby.
 
Three, if she was so concerned that they were warping my mind at a young age, why did the school library have so dang many of them in the first place?
As a librarian I apologize for this person. In over 20 years I have never shushed a person or judged their reading choice. Hell if it was me I would of made you the "dragon librarian" and asked you what other books we should have in the library.
 
There comes a time when an idea is started, all the right reasons and intentions, and integrity towards the ideal of said entity. Inevitably, if things go well, you have growth and with growth you're suddenly looking at profits and losses, slowly your integrity turns to how to keep the profits up and losses down and then your goal starts to go that way as well. Suddenly the choices you made from an enthusiasts standpoint become choices made from a business standpoint. So what happens at that point? How do you adjust to it while keeping your original intentions and goals alive and thriving? That's what separates the men from the boys.
 
Can get it for less than $10 shipped on Discogs. It's one of the cheapest items you can get from the VMP catalog on Discogs I'm pretty sure.

https://www.discogs.com/Torres-Sprinter/release/6993353
It’s crazy to me that they keep raising prices on albums they have had in stock for forever. They are trying to pass it off like a new record too that just came out. That album is the cheapest one I always see on eBay or discogs.
 
It’s crazy to me that they keep raising prices on albums they have had in stock for forever. They are trying to pass it off like a new record too that just came out. That album is the cheapest one I always see on eBay or discogs.

There may be some truth to the idea that they’re trying to foster a more compliant, less picky customer base.
 
As a librarian I apologize for this person. In over 20 years I have never shushed a person or judged their reading choice. Hell if it was me I would of made you the "dragon librarian" and asked you what other books we should have in the library.
It wasn't the first run-in with her being a busybody over that kind of thing. I think my mom's response to her was something like "Maybe if you spent more time with your own nose in a book it wouldn't keep ending up where it doesn't belong." My family had at least one kid interacting with her at all times between the years of ~1986 - 2005. The relationship was strained at best.
 
It’s crazy to me that they keep raising prices on albums they have had in stock for forever. They are trying to pass it off like a new record too that just came out. That album is the cheapest one I always see on eBay or discogs.
Torres, Lapsley, and Blessed Feathers are the three cheapest albums on Discogs.

https://www.discogs.com/Torres-Sprinter/release/6993353

https://www.discogs.com/Låpsley-Long-Way-Home/release/8230301

https://www.discogs.com/Blessed-Feathers-There-Will-Be-No-Sad-Tomorrow/release/7519355

Here's a list of previous ROTMs that are sub 20$ as well:

https://www.discogs.com/Kevin-Morby-City-Music/release/10422791

https://www.discogs.com/St-Vincent-Masseduction/release/11130348

https://www.discogs.com/Moses-Sumney-Aromanticism/release/10893509

https://www.discogs.com/Nils-Frahm-Spaces/release/7836612

https://www.discogs.com/Wilco-AM/release/7339202

https://www.discogs.com/Four-Tet-Pink/release/7467715

https://www.discogs.com/Clipse-Lord-Willin/release/11978254

https://www.discogs.com/The-Books-The-Lemon-Of-Pink/release/9332526

https://www.discogs.com/The-National-Boxer/release/10689734

https://www.discogs.com/Hot-Chip-In-Our-Heads/release/7112398 (this one's 5$ listing is for one that only says it has the first disc, but after that the listings go up to like 15$)

https://www.discogs.com/Queen-Latifah-All-Hail-The-Queen/release/12339174

https://www.discogs.com/Mavis-Staples-Mavis-Staples/release/12909387

https://www.discogs.com/The-Silvertones-Silver-Bullets/release/12235645

https://www.discogs.com/Koko-Taylor-I-Got-What-It-Takes/release/11544033

https://www.discogs.com/Ayalew-Mesfin-Hasabe-My-Worries/release/11544269

https://www.discogs.com/Betty-Davis-Betty-Davis/release/10549758

https://www.discogs.com/Tennis-Yours-Conditionally-/release/9954508

https://www.discogs.com/Glass-Animals-How-To-Be-A-Human-Being/release/9040458

https://www.discogs.com/Wells-Fargo-Watch-Out/release/8635268

https://www.discogs.com/Menomena-Friend-And-Foe/release/6883190

https://www.discogs.com/Perfume-Genius-Too-Bright/release/6300695

https://www.discogs.com/Big-Bill-Broonzy-Big-Bill-Broonzy-Sings-Folk-Songs/release/8067357

Records that are sub $20 initially, but might go over $20 with shipping:

https://www.discogs.com/Townes-Van-Zandt-For-The-Sake-Of-The-Song/release/12617233

https://www.discogs.com/Loretta-Lynn-Coal-Miners-Daughter/release/13467992

https://www.discogs.com/Sarah-Webster-Fabio-Jujus-Alchemy-Of-The-Blues/release/12478292

https://www.discogs.com/Mitski-Be-The-Cowboy/release/12339557

https://www.discogs.com/Little-Simz-A-Curious-Tale-Of-Trials-Persons/release/11396645

https://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Sorcerer/release/11256032

https://www.discogs.com/Open-Mike-Eagle-Unapologetic-Art-Rap/release/12235671

https://www.discogs.com/Little-Milton-Waiting-For-Little-Milton/release/11266836

https://www.discogs.com/My-Morning-Jacket-Z/release/8883442

https://www.discogs.com/BadBadNotGood-IV/release/8753882

https://www.discogs.com/Youth-Lagoon-The-Year-Of-Hibernation/release/6522437

https://www.discogs.com/JAGUERRA-Hue/release/5786135 (this one is just barely over 20$ for the initial price)

https://www.discogs.com/RL-Burnside-Too-Bad-Jim/release/6190477

https://www.discogs.com/The-Ben-Webster-Quintet-Soulville/release/6514340 (at 20$ exactly lol)

https://www.discogs.com/Main-Source-Breaking-Atoms/release/9816263 (this listing is only sub 20$ for a misprinted version, so be wary of that)

https://www.discogs.com/Flying-Lotus-Cosmogramma/release/13021889 (at 20$ exactly lol)

https://www.discogs.com/Arctic-Monkeys-Whatever-People-Say-I-Am-Thats-What-Im-Not/release/11826116 (at 20$ exactly lol)

Notice how a good majority of these are ones that are still in stock? Smh VMP.
 
There may be some truth to the idea that they’re trying to foster a more compliant, less picky customer base.
Yea--also they nuked the forums so now there's nobody to point out to others that those records are super old and easy to come by for cheaper prices elsewhere. I laughed when I saw some of those exclusives in the email yesterday.
 
I missed the pride convo because I wasn't getting notifications for this thread. But I have thoughts!

I am sick of my community's struggles being the flavor of the month only for marketing/advancing the brand purposes. And then come July 1, POOF! All of those new found "allies" disappear.

No. Just no. My community struggles all year. Not just in June. The community needs support all year.

VMP has not had a good track record with the LGBTQ community. And sure, they have to start somewhere, so ok, a VMP hat with some rainbow-ish colors on it may be a fine place to start. But it was centered on VMP instead of on how to support the community. Why not silently partner with a charity and donate? Why not seek out a LGBTQ artist to design a shirt? Why not have all the June AOTMs be by LGBTQ artists? There are so many ways to support the LGBTQ community. They did the bare minimum. And they did it for the cookie/compliment - as in the "oh look at how great VMP is".

Be an ally for the sake of the other person, not to make yourself feel better. Center the LGBTQ community, not yourself.
 
I’ll actually take the opposing view here and give them the benefit of the doubt on this score. I don’t think the company promotes the all-in-ones beyond their promo imagery, a lot of which is outsourced to marketing/production vendors. They want people to have decent systems. But I see it like I see the case of my elementary school librarian calling my mom to complain that I was only reading books about dragons. One, none of her damn business. Two, I was reading twice as much as any other kid in the class, even if it was about dragons. If the choice is between somebody being scared to dip their toes into the world of vinyl because they don’t know where to start, or playing some records on an approachable machine that appeals to them...you know, man, whatever. I played the HELL out of some records on an old Fisher Price turntable as a kid. Did I get the *best* audio experience from that Ewoks Adventure storybook record? Hell no. Did I damage the records a bit? For sure. But I had fun & enjoyed it, and it gave me good memories. Would I encourage someone to buy a Crosley today? No way. But if they have one, hey...I hope they get lots of enjoyment out of it. The only thing I have ever 100% agreed with Vinyl Junkies on is that the records are meant to be played.

I agree. I think they want to appeal to everyone and if the image of you easily playing records on your bedroom tree stump table gets you to subscribe they will take it.

One of the biggest things I hear from people who want to get into collecting/listening to vinyl is "I don't know how" or I don't want to buy a bunch of equipment, etc.

It can be a way over the threshold for some people to get crosleys and start collecting and I say more power to them.
 
Torres, Lapsley, and Blessed Feathers are the three cheapest albums on Discogs.

https://www.discogs.com/Torres-Sprinter/release/6993353

https://www.discogs.com/Låpsley-Long-Way-Home/release/8230301

https://www.discogs.com/Blessed-Feathers-There-Will-Be-No-Sad-Tomorrow/release/7519355

Here's a list of previous ROTMs that are sub 20$ as well:

https://www.discogs.com/Kevin-Morby-City-Music/release/10422791

https://www.discogs.com/St-Vincent-Masseduction/release/11130348

https://www.discogs.com/Moses-Sumney-Aromanticism/release/10893509

https://www.discogs.com/Nils-Frahm-Spaces/release/7836612

https://www.discogs.com/Wilco-AM/release/7339202

https://www.discogs.com/Four-Tet-Pink/release/7467715

https://www.discogs.com/Clipse-Lord-Willin/release/11978254

https://www.discogs.com/The-Books-The-Lemon-Of-Pink/release/9332526

https://www.discogs.com/The-National-Boxer/release/10689734

https://www.discogs.com/Hot-Chip-In-Our-Heads/release/7112398 (this one's 5$ listing is for one that only says it has the first disc, but after that the listings go up to like 15$)

https://www.discogs.com/Queen-Latifah-All-Hail-The-Queen/release/12339174

https://www.discogs.com/Mavis-Staples-Mavis-Staples/release/12909387

https://www.discogs.com/The-Silvertones-Silver-Bullets/release/12235645

https://www.discogs.com/Koko-Taylor-I-Got-What-It-Takes/release/11544033

https://www.discogs.com/Ayalew-Mesfin-Hasabe-My-Worries/release/11544269

https://www.discogs.com/Betty-Davis-Betty-Davis/release/10549758

https://www.discogs.com/Tennis-Yours-Conditionally-/release/9954508

https://www.discogs.com/Glass-Animals-How-To-Be-A-Human-Being/release/9040458

https://www.discogs.com/Wells-Fargo-Watch-Out/release/8635268

https://www.discogs.com/Menomena-Friend-And-Foe/release/6883190

https://www.discogs.com/Perfume-Genius-Too-Bright/release/6300695

https://www.discogs.com/Big-Bill-Broonzy-Big-Bill-Broonzy-Sings-Folk-Songs/release/8067357

Records that are sub $20 initially, but might go over $20 with shipping:

https://www.discogs.com/Townes-Van-Zandt-For-The-Sake-Of-The-Song/release/12617233

https://www.discogs.com/Loretta-Lynn-Coal-Miners-Daughter/release/13467992

https://www.discogs.com/Sarah-Webster-Fabio-Jujus-Alchemy-Of-The-Blues/release/12478292

https://www.discogs.com/Mitski-Be-The-Cowboy/release/12339557

https://www.discogs.com/Little-Simz-A-Curious-Tale-Of-Trials-Persons/release/11396645

https://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Sorcerer/release/11256032

https://www.discogs.com/Open-Mike-Eagle-Unapologetic-Art-Rap/release/12235671

https://www.discogs.com/Little-Milton-Waiting-For-Little-Milton/release/11266836

https://www.discogs.com/My-Morning-Jacket-Z/release/8883442

https://www.discogs.com/BadBadNotGood-IV/release/8753882

https://www.discogs.com/Youth-Lagoon-The-Year-Of-Hibernation/release/6522437

https://www.discogs.com/JAGUERRA-Hue/release/5786135 (this one is just barely over 20$ for the initial price)

https://www.discogs.com/RL-Burnside-Too-Bad-Jim/release/6190477

https://www.discogs.com/The-Ben-Webster-Quintet-Soulville/release/6514340 (at 20$ exactly lol)

https://www.discogs.com/Main-Source-Breaking-Atoms/release/9816263 (this listing is only sub 20$ for a misprinted version, so be wary of that)

https://www.discogs.com/Flying-Lotus-Cosmogramma/release/13021889 (at 20$ exactly lol)

https://www.discogs.com/Arctic-Monkeys-Whatever-People-Say-I-Am-Thats-What-Im-Not/release/11826116 (at 20$ exactly lol)

Notice how a good majority of these are ones that are still in stock? Smh VMP.


Good work done here ! Nice effort
 
I missed the pride convo because I wasn't getting notifications for this thread. But I have thoughts!

I am sick of my community's struggles being the flavor of the month only for marketing/advancing the brand purposes. And then come July 1, POOF! All of those new found "allies" disappear.

No. Just no. My community struggles all year. Not just in June. The community needs support all year.

VMP has not had a good track record with the LGBTQ community. And sure, they have to start somewhere, so ok, a VMP hat with some rainbow-ish colors on it may be a fine place to start. But it was centered on VMP instead of on how to support the community. Why not silently partner with a charity and donate? Why not seek out a LGBTQ artist to design a shirt? Why not have all the June AOTMs be by LGBTQ artists? There are so many ways to support the LGBTQ community. They did the bare minimum. And they did it for the cookie/compliment - as in the "oh look at how great VMP is".

Be an ally for the sake of the other person, not to make yourself feel better. Center the LGBTQ community, not yourself.

Yeah Lazy effort / marketing ploy

Like this idea : "Why not have all the June AOTMs be by LGBTQ artists"
 
I missed the pride convo because I wasn't getting notifications for this thread. But I have thoughts!

I am sick of my community's struggles being the flavor of the month only for marketing/advancing the brand purposes. And then come July 1, POOF! All of those new found "allies" disappear.

No. Just no. My community struggles all year. Not just in June. The community needs support all year.

VMP has not had a good track record with the LGBTQ community. And sure, they have to start somewhere, so ok, a VMP hat with some rainbow-ish colors on it may be a fine place to start. But it was centered on VMP instead of on how to support the community. Why not silently partner with a charity and donate? Why not seek out a LGBTQ artist to design a shirt? Why not have all the June AOTMs be by LGBTQ artists? There are so many ways to support the LGBTQ community. They did the bare minimum. And they did it for the cookie/compliment - as in the "oh look at how great VMP is".

Be an ally for the sake of the other person, not to make yourself feel better. Center the LGBTQ community, not yourself.
There were SO many opportunities for them to make it about the community and not VMP and yet again, they screwed it up. Even if they don't want to make all 3 AOTMs LGBTQ artists (which is a fantastic idea by the way), then commission the art prints to be my LGBTQ artists. Donate portions of all sales to charities. Press a bunch of exclusives by LGBTQ artists and give proceeds to charity. Make a t-shirt, like you said, designed by artists in the community.

Instead they tossed a rainbow on their logo, put it on a hat and said proceeds will go to charity. Let's be real...how many people are inspired to buy that hat?

It really is a shame that companies take advantage of things like this for corporate profit instead of true, honest intentions and then like you said, disappear once that PR visibility disappears.
 
There were SO many opportunities for them to make it about the community and not VMP and yet again, they screwed it up. Even if they don't want to make all 3 AOTMs LGBTQ artists (which is a fantastic idea by the way), then commission the art prints to be my LGBTQ artists. Donate portions of all sales to charities. Press a bunch of exclusives by LGBTQ artists and give proceeds to charity. Make a t-shirt, like you said, designed by artists in the community.

Instead they tossed a rainbow on their logo, put it on a hat and said proceeds will go to charity. Let's be real...how many people are inspired to buy that hat?

It really is a shame that companies take advantage of things like this for corporate profit instead of true, honest intentions and then like you said, disappear once that PR visibility disappears.
I did this workbook last month and found that I learned not only about how I affect POC and how to be a better ally, but I found that I could apply what I learned to any marginalized part of society. It is called the "Me and White Supremacy Workbook" by Layla F. Saad. It was HARD work. But I feel it was absolutely necessary. I only mention this because, yes, on the face of it, the VMP rainbow hat is a good thing. But when one really digs in, like this workbook asks you to, one really sees that it isn't a good thing.

I highly recommend the workbook. It was free to download on Layla's site, I haven't checked if it still is. I know she wrote a book about it that will be published soon, so not sure if the book has usurped the free download. And if anyone does decide to go through the workbook, I found it really helpful to do it with someone. So you can bounce your thoughts and queries off of each other.
 
I agree. I think they want to appeal to everyone and if the image of you easily playing records on your bedroom tree stump table gets you to subscribe they will take it.

One of the biggest things I hear from people who want to get into collecting/listening to vinyl is "I don't know how" or I don't want to buy a bunch of equipment, etc.

It can be a way over the threshold for some people to get crosleys and start collecting and I say more power to them.
I know Crosleys get a lot of hate from people, but for some people, it's the easiest way to get into vinyl collecting. And since it's an expensive hobby, some people want to have a cheap and affordable entry point to see if they actually want to pursue it or not long-term. The idea of it seems cool, but I know a lot of people that just end up not listening to records all the time. I started off with a shitty cheap record player and when I found myself using it all the time, I saved money and upgraded. Not everybody starting out can afford to drop $300-$400 on a starter turntable. Everybody has to start somewhere.
 
I know Crosleys get a lot of hate from people, but for some people, it's the easiest way to get into vinyl collecting. And since it's an expensive hobby, some people want to have a cheap and affordable entry point to see if they actually want to pursue it or not long-term. The idea of it seems cool, but I know a lot of people that just end up not listening to records all the time. I started off with a shitty cheap record player and when I found myself using it all the time, I saved money and upgraded. Not everybody starting out can afford to drop $300-$400 on a starter turntable. Everybody has to start somewhere.

Its a fair point - But i also think with some help those people can spend only a little bit more and perhaps not waste all that money spent on records (lets face it - its not cheap) And keep records in good order.

My first system was entirely second hand and sourced pretty quickly

ok so maybe prices have increased but still places to find recievers etc.

I got the following

Dual 505 turntable (about£60)
JVC 1980s receiver (boxed and looked lovely - i still use the radio on it) £60

And a pair of floorstanding speakers fr ebay (Aural Envelopes) - heavy on bass but ok - Actually I paid nothing for them as they were smashed about in shipping and I was given them - I did a damn good repair job tho. I also repaired a broken connection on one tweeter with a tube of electric paint - Lasted until i gave speakers away (still working too)

So apart from a new needle and some cable brush etc etc. I was up and running for under £200 ......and I knew nothing during this period - just "google was my friend"
Anyhow I'm sure it sounded much better than a Crossley. If people are prepared to make the effort you can do it alone and with next to no knowledge.
I checked on Ebay and could find a number of second hand speaker options under £60 ! so its still doable.
 
Torres, Lapsley, and Blessed Feathers are the three cheapest albums on Discogs.

https://www.discogs.com/Torres-Sprinter/release/6993353

https://www.discogs.com/Låpsley-Long-Way-Home/release/8230301

https://www.discogs.com/Blessed-Feathers-There-Will-Be-No-Sad-Tomorrow/release/7519355

Here's a list of previous ROTMs that are sub 20$ as well:

https://www.discogs.com/Kevin-Morby-City-Music/release/10422791

https://www.discogs.com/St-Vincent-Masseduction/release/11130348

https://www.discogs.com/Moses-Sumney-Aromanticism/release/10893509

https://www.discogs.com/Nils-Frahm-Spaces/release/7836612

https://www.discogs.com/Wilco-AM/release/7339202

https://www.discogs.com/Four-Tet-Pink/release/7467715

https://www.discogs.com/Clipse-Lord-Willin/release/11978254

https://www.discogs.com/The-Books-The-Lemon-Of-Pink/release/9332526

https://www.discogs.com/The-National-Boxer/release/10689734

https://www.discogs.com/Hot-Chip-In-Our-Heads/release/7112398 (this one's 5$ listing is for one that only says it has the first disc, but after that the listings go up to like 15$)

https://www.discogs.com/Queen-Latifah-All-Hail-The-Queen/release/12339174

https://www.discogs.com/Mavis-Staples-Mavis-Staples/release/12909387

https://www.discogs.com/The-Silvertones-Silver-Bullets/release/12235645

https://www.discogs.com/Koko-Taylor-I-Got-What-It-Takes/release/11544033

https://www.discogs.com/Ayalew-Mesfin-Hasabe-My-Worries/release/11544269

https://www.discogs.com/Betty-Davis-Betty-Davis/release/10549758

https://www.discogs.com/Tennis-Yours-Conditionally-/release/9954508

https://www.discogs.com/Glass-Animals-How-To-Be-A-Human-Being/release/9040458

https://www.discogs.com/Wells-Fargo-Watch-Out/release/8635268

https://www.discogs.com/Menomena-Friend-And-Foe/release/6883190

https://www.discogs.com/Perfume-Genius-Too-Bright/release/6300695

https://www.discogs.com/Big-Bill-Broonzy-Big-Bill-Broonzy-Sings-Folk-Songs/release/8067357

Records that are sub $20 initially, but might go over $20 with shipping:

https://www.discogs.com/Townes-Van-Zandt-For-The-Sake-Of-The-Song/release/12617233

https://www.discogs.com/Loretta-Lynn-Coal-Miners-Daughter/release/13467992

https://www.discogs.com/Sarah-Webster-Fabio-Jujus-Alchemy-Of-The-Blues/release/12478292

https://www.discogs.com/Mitski-Be-The-Cowboy/release/12339557

https://www.discogs.com/Little-Simz-A-Curious-Tale-Of-Trials-Persons/release/11396645

https://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Sorcerer/release/11256032

https://www.discogs.com/Open-Mike-Eagle-Unapologetic-Art-Rap/release/12235671

https://www.discogs.com/Little-Milton-Waiting-For-Little-Milton/release/11266836

https://www.discogs.com/My-Morning-Jacket-Z/release/8883442

https://www.discogs.com/BadBadNotGood-IV/release/8753882

https://www.discogs.com/Youth-Lagoon-The-Year-Of-Hibernation/release/6522437

https://www.discogs.com/JAGUERRA-Hue/release/5786135 (this one is just barely over 20$ for the initial price)

https://www.discogs.com/RL-Burnside-Too-Bad-Jim/release/6190477

https://www.discogs.com/The-Ben-Webster-Quintet-Soulville/release/6514340 (at 20$ exactly lol)

https://www.discogs.com/Main-Source-Breaking-Atoms/release/9816263 (this listing is only sub 20$ for a misprinted version, so be wary of that)

https://www.discogs.com/Flying-Lotus-Cosmogramma/release/13021889 (at 20$ exactly lol)

https://www.discogs.com/Arctic-Monkeys-Whatever-People-Say-I-Am-Thats-What-Im-Not/release/11826116 (at 20$ exactly lol)

Notice how a good majority of these are ones that are still in stock? Smh VMP.

That's an interesting list. I would never have bought Spaces, Long Way Home, Boxer, Betty Davis or Silver Bullets and I really love those records- Spaces in particular is my absolute favourite AOTM bar none. I tend to give the curation a fair amount of credit because there are a number of albums like that that have featured that see a lot of use with me. Admittedly, there are quite a few on that list that don't see heavy rotation too.
 
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