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Up in NH, there is a separate group called BannersforTrump taking commissions on huge, unofficial banners/signs that you put over a trailer or between several trees that people can see as they are driving by. A lot of space but ultimately not representative of a voter like a simple yard sign in front of a house is

There's definitely some correlation between loud/aggressive/huge signage and Trump supporters.
 
dhodo said:
I don't know, I think a big part of the Bush "wasn't so bad" reevaluation relies heavily on how terrible Trump is. So I think for Trump to have a remotely similar phenomenon happen, it's going to have to get worse, which is certainly terrifying to think about.
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I don't know, COVID is gonna paint a pretty stark picture of his Presidency no matter how you slice it...........225K and counting, it's not like it's over, no matter what he puts in his list of accomplishments.
 
AnthonyI said:
I don't know, COVID is gonna paint a pretty stark picture of his Presidency no matter how you slice it...........225K and counting, it's not like it's over, no matter what he puts in his list of accomplishments.
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Republicans have punted Covid relief down the road because they're preparing to lose and have everything go to shit just in time for Biden to become president. Same strat with the 2008 economic crisis and Obama. It may work again too.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
Just as likely is the Bush-like image rehabilitation tour and people are going to fall for it.
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dhodo said:
I don't know, I think a big part of the Bush "wasn't so bad" reevaluation relies heavily on how terrible Trump is. So I think for Trump to have a remotely similar phenomenon happen, it's going to have to get worse, which is certainly terrifying to think about.
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Yeah I'm not so sure either. There was some stuff a few pages back about how Bush was actually a decent guy, and I"m not ready to go that far. But I will say that I believe Bush usually thought he was doing the right thing, even when it was a "tough decision" like torturing people. And I think that's a key distinction, believing you're doing the right thing vs. knowing you're doing the wrong thing. That's why Cheney hasn't enjoyed the same reappraisal, and why Nixon's image never made a comeback. There's a difference between being a bad leader with all the baggage of everyday corruption and venality, and being a malignant force.

I mean -- maybe I'd be singing a different tune if Jeb Bush were president right now and we were in the middle of fighting Oil Wars 4, 5, and 6. He would surely have been more competent at pursuing the Republican agenda. But it's hard to imagine we'd feel like we're any closer to the precipice of utter catastrophe than we are now.
 
AnthonyI said:
I don't know, COVID is gonna paint a pretty stark picture of his Presidency no matter how you slice it...........225K and counting, it's not like it's over, no matter what he puts in his list of accomplishments.
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Yeah, I hope we don't get a worse reference point any time soon. But, there's some pretty ugly shit in Bush's lists of "accomplishments" too as mentioned above.

Man, how far we have fallen from people making fun of Bush's public speaking skills.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Yeah I'm not so sure either. There was some stuff a few pages back about how Bush was actually a decent guy, and I"m not ready to go that far. But I will say that I believe Bush usually thought he was doing the right thing, even when it was a "tough decision" like torturing people. And I think that's a key distinction, believing you're doing the right thing vs. knowing you're doing the wrong thing. That's why Cheney hasn't enjoyed the same reappraisal, and why Nixon's image never made a comeback. There's a difference between being a bad leader with all the baggage of everyday corruption and venality, and being a malignant force.

I mean -- maybe I'd be singing a different tune if Jeb Bush were president right now and we were in the middle of fighting Oil Wars 4, 5, and 6. He would surely have been more competent at pursuing the Republican agenda. But it's hard to imagine we'd feel like we're any closer to the precipice of utter catastrophe than we are now.
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Let's not forget Cheney was pulling a lot of strings behind the scenes.
 
wokeupnew said:
that's the thing though, you notice that one house and not the 10 other houses that don't have a huge sign on their property. They are the loud, obnoxious and noticeable minority.
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I live in Central PA and the Trump flags are so obnoxiously around here. Apparently you can't just have one you need to have 2-5 Trump flags on your property. "silent majority" my ass.
 
ayayrawn said:
Republicans have punted Covid relief down the road because they're preparing to lose and have everything go to shit just in time for Biden to become president. Same strat with the 2008 economic crisis and Obama. It may work again too.
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I realize that, but I'll take my chances with Biden/Harris on doing something.............so pretty much anything is more than what's being done now. The reality, for Trump anyway, as things get better with COVID when he's gone, the worse he's gonna look in history.
 
ayayrawn said:
Republicans have punted Covid relief down the road because they're preparing to lose and have everything go to shit just in time for Biden to become president. Same strat with the 2008 economic crisis and Obama. It may work again too.
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Mind-blowing to me that people are still blaming Obama for that.
 
Yeah, I'd be genuinely surprised if we have a Bush style rehab for Trump in the future. He's a lot less likely than Bush to go into solitude which was a big aspect on this rehabilitation tour, and in many ways Bush was your garden variety bad Republican whereas Trump is pretty much a fascist at this point. He's also a lot more likely to, you know...die, before that opportunity arises.
 
waruv said:
Yeah, I'd be genuinely surprised if we have a Bush style rehab for Trump in the future. He's a lot less likely than Bush to go into solitude which was a big aspect on this rehabilitation tour, and in many ways Bush was your garden variety bad Republican whereas Trump is pretty much a fascist at this point. He's also a lot more likely to, you know...die, before that opportunity arises.
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Agreed...no chance he is going away if he loses. In fact there is a much better chance that he does things after he leaves office that make people think even less of him then they already do now.
 
Pergo said:
Agreed...no chance he is going away if he loses. In fact there is a much better chance that he does things after he leaves office that make people think even less of him then they already do now.
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Honestly, there's a decent chance that he a) is tried and/or convicted for multiple crimes, or b) receives a pardon that requires a tacit admission of guilt. One of the reasons Bush was able to skirt his rep being permanently ruined is that the country was in a position where Obama could basically ignore the war crimes because we were all so distracted by financial crimes that ALSO weren't being prosecuted.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Honestly, there's a decent chance that he a) is tried and/or convicted for multiple crimes, or b) receives a pardon that requires a tacit admission of guilt. One of the reasons Bush was able to skirt his rep being permanently ruined is that the country was in a position where Obama could basically ignore the war crimes because we were all so distracted by financial crimes that ALSO weren't being prosecuted.
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Gerry Ford fucked us all when he pardoned Nixon. I'd be shocked if a president of the United States is ever tried or convicted of anything. It certainly won't be Trump.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Truly and sincerely, with love to each of you, I hope and pray you all eat these words next week.
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I’m good on that.

A broken toaster could beat Trump at this point, and the comment was made prior to the pandemic or the BLM protests— the handling of which sealed Trump’s fate.

And yes I’m voting for Biden— but no, I do not expect the quality of life for millennials to get any better (currently 5x poorer than Boomers were at the same age despite being substantially more educated). This is, after all, the same guy who made declaring bankruptcy over student debt illegal.

My vote is merely a vote for science (both climate change and coronavirus) and against authoritarianism.
 
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