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How did coronavirus break out? Theories abound as researchers race to solve genetic detective story | CNN

A vacuum of knowledge about the origins of the new coronavirus ravaging the world has provided fertile ground for all manner of theories -- from the fantastic, to the dubious to the believable.
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Daszak believes a bat infected a farm animal that was brought to market alive, and kept with people in one of the most perfect incubators for viral infection: the Chinese wet market.
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One of the leading theories as to where this virus came from is that a bat infected a farm animal, who infected humans.
 
Ed Selley said:
How heartwarming. I too celebrate with strangers over the deaths of random old people, long since deposed from the positions of authority they once held.

Oh no sorry, wait. I don’t.
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Bad people don't get a pass on the suffering they caused because they die.
 
Not going to wish BoJo ill because this is something that could very easily happen to me and mine.

It seems though that bragging about ignoring medical professionals by shaking everyone's hand at a hospital, and forgoing an effective immediate response in favor of an insane herd immunity plan that will result in thousands of extra, unnecessary deaths was perhaps not the best strategy to take. Hope world leaders are paying attention.
 
Lee Newman said:
Everyone is gonna react to all of this differently. All we can do is have patience with each other and respect everyone’s point of view. I had a similar reaction to @nolalady ’s post about Florida but at the end of the day I thought it would lead to this kind of conversation and decided not to post.

We’re gonna get through this together.
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Hi @Lee Newman!! Sorry to ruffle your feathers. I understand because Louisiana is also the butt of a lot of jokes too. I hope I didn't make you too upset.
 
nolalady said:
Hi @Lee Newman!! Sorry to ruffle your feathers. I understand because Louisiana is also the butt of a lot of jokes too. I hope I didn't make you too upset.
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it’s cool. While I understand the importance of levity in this situation, I think it’s time for all of us to start working together - which is what we’re doing overall.
 
ayayrawn said:
Not going to wish BoJo ill because this is something that could very easily happen to me and mine.

It seems though that bragging about ignoring medical professionals by shaking everyone's hand at a hospital, and forgoing an effective immediate response in favor of an insane herd immunity plan that will result in thousands of extra, unnecessary deaths was perhaps not the best strategy to take. Hope world leaders are paying attention.
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You might find THIS an interesting read. Don't worry, for the benefit of any pre-existing beliefs, it doesn't exonerate Johnson but it does provide rather more context to how and why things have happened here as they have. In short, the UK government didn't ignore scientific advice- it has in fact been completely beholden to it. In one specific context, the thinking behind why the UK has acted as it has is completely correct. Before the rate of fatalities in Italy and Spain spiked, the chances of the population agreeing to and abiding by a lockdown were close to zero. Even now, the levels to which it is being adhered to might best be seen as grudging.

ayayrawn said:
Bad people don't get a pass on the suffering they caused because they die.
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Politicians die twice; when their career ends and when their life ends. There are a fair few of them whom I've been delighted to watch fail. After that point though, they're just people. Rather than getting all excited when one stops breathing, people's energies might be better directed at working out how the opposition to them was sufficiently feeble, they had the scope to act as they did so as to better prevent it happening again.
 
False. The advice the government followed was an outlier and there was a scientific majority that was very critical of it. They made a political decision to try and protect the economy over and above human life. Thousands of lives will be lost because of that political decision.
 
Captainfog said:
False. The advice the government followed was an outlier and there was a scientific majority that was very critical of it. They made a political decision to try and protect the economy over and above human life. Thousands of lives will be lost because of that political decision.
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No- it was the long standing government policy (ie before Johnson, Cummings, et al) policy as evidenced in the bloody article I just linked to clearly visible in the policy recommendations in the 2011 document they obtained. Which you'd know if you'd bothered to read it. Now, do you think that the 2011 document (one year into the Coalition government) was;

- A complete re-write from existing policy, totally dismissing what went before?
or
- An ongoing evolution of a (very) longstanding process?

Any UK government in power on Jan 1st 2020 is likely to have followed the policies as laid down. This will come as a bitter disappointment to people looking to make political capital from it but that's where we are.
 
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