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Started Dead To Me last night. Only watched one episode but I’m interested to see where it goes. How can it sustain as a long-running show if that is its intention? I have no idea. I can’t help but think about the future of a show when I start one. It’s my fault. But anyway, solid pilot. Watching more tonight.
 
Started Dead To Me last night. Only watched one episode but I’m interested to see where it goes. How can it sustain as a long-running show if that is its intention? I have no idea. I can’t help but think about the future of a show when I start one. It’s my fault. But anyway, solid pilot. Watching more tonight.
you could have said the same thing about The Good Place too ;)

I actually haven't watched Dead to Me, but I have heard good things about it
 
Barry was so good this year.
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I just ned a higher quality version of this one for my signature forever:
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Also I missed most of the last season of Veep, but came around for the finale and loved it.
 
Oh, and since I've been hearing my beloved's name dragged through the dirt all week in the wake of the GoT finale, I want to make one fact perfectly clear:

The finale of Lost was good and saying it was bad is an incredibly basic take that is really not as bold as people act when saying it, and it comes from people who seem to have been watching a completely different show than I was.

Now if you wanna get cranky about the season leading up to the Lost finale, let's get nuts.
 
The finale of Lost was good and saying it was bad is an incredibly basic take that is really not as bold as people act when saying it, and it comes from people who seem to have been watching a completely different show than I was.
DID WALT HAVE F*CKING POWERS, OR NOT

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WHO WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE F*CKING HOLE IN THE WALL AT HURLEY IN JACOB’S CABIN

WHO THE F*CK WAS SHOOTING AT THE PEOPLE IN THE BOATS WHEN TIME STARTED GOING ALL WONKY

This is the reason I prefer The Leftovers, which had just as many “is this real or magic or what?” questions. In The Leftovers, those questions actually told you about the world the characters lived in and the emotional crises they were dealing with. The writers didn’t know the answers to the questions they were asking, but that’s okay, because the questions were only important insofar as they illuminated the lives of the characters. In Lost, they were posed as critical plot points and cliffhangers to keep you coming back next week, only to be told that in the end I was paying attention to the wrong thing all along. Part of that is on ABC for needing something to drive ratings, so they focused on the mysteries in the ads. But Cuse & Lindelof knew very well that that Lost wasn’t a water cooler show because people really cared about Jin & Sun’s marriage or Sawyer’s abandonment issues or whatever. They waited until after the show ended to tell people that’s what was important all along, when they could have been giving interviews well before then to encourage people to focus less on the plot and more on the people (I mean, hell, they even had President Obama asking about who the Adam & Eve skeletons were. They eventually answered that one within the show, but guess what? It didn’t matter.).
 
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Barry was so good this year.
giphy.gif


I just ned a higher quality version of this one for my signature forever:
tenor.gif


Also I missed most of the last season of Veep, but came around for the finale and loved it.


Barry is the best show of the year so far IMO. People aren't talking about it enough. Like, that one episode with
the cheating wife's new karate guy and his insane animal kid
is like one of the best episodes I've seen on TV since Breaking Bad.
 
Oh, and since I've been hearing my beloved's name dragged through the dirt all week in the wake of the GoT finale, I want to make one fact perfectly clear:

The finale of Lost was good and saying it was bad is an incredibly basic take that is really not as bold as people act when saying it, and it comes from people who seem to have been watching a completely different show than I was.

Now if you wanna get cranky about the season leading up to the Lost finale, let's get nuts.
I still see people missing the point on the Lost finale, summing up that "they were in purgatory the whole time," which is like...did you even watch the finale?

That said, I don't love the finale, but as a whole the experience of watching Lost week to week and year to year was great. I don't think I've experienced anything like that before or since. My main issue with the finale is that the reveal of the final season's flash-forward/side-flash things was lame. Other than that, I don't have a problem with it.
 
DID WALT HAVE F*CKING POWERS, OR NOT

Edit:

WHO WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE F*CKING HOLE IN THE WALL AT HURLEY IN JACOB’S CABIN

WHO THE F*CK WAS SHOOTING AT THE PEOPLE IN THE BOATS WHEN TIME STARTED GOING ALL WONKY

This is the reason I prefer The Leftovers, which had just as many “is this real or magic or what?” questions. In The Leftovers, those questions actually told you about the world the characters lived in and the emotional crises they were dealing with. The writers didn’t know the answers to the questions they were asking, but that’s okay, because the questions were only important insofar as they illuminated the lives of the characters. In Lost, they were posed as critical plot points and cliffhangers to keep you coming back next week, only to be told that in the end I was paying attention to the wrong thing all along. Part of that is on ABC for needing something to drive ratings, so they focused on the mysteries in the ads. But Cuse & Lindelof knew very well that that Lost wasn’t a water cooler show because people really cared about Jin & Sun’s marriage or Sawyer’s abandonment issues or whatever. They waited until after the show ended to tell people that’s what was important all along, when they could have been giving interviews well before then to encourage people to focus less on the plot and more on the people (I mean, hell, they even had President Obama asking about who the Adam & Eve skeletons were. They eventually answered that one within the show, but guess what? It didn’t matter.).

You're not wrong at all; a lot of your remaining questions are valid and I'd chalk them up to a writer's room that was barely a step ahead of itself (especially in seasons 2-4 or so). But that gives lie to my entire point: Lost is a dumb and frustrating show. The finale didn't betray that one bit. A lot of it doesn't make sense, plot-wise, and if you weren't there for how bonkers it was, you had to be there for the characters.

I guess I didn't really engage with the online community or consume any interviews/behind the scenes stuff while Lost was on, because I just sort of took it all at face value. It just baffles me that anyone who watched Lost through its entire run would think that finale was the problem.

I still need to see The Leftovers tho. Watched the pilot and never got further (I do that a lot with shows and it's never the show's fault).

I still see people missing the point on the Lost finale, summing up that "they were in purgatory the whole time," which is like...did you even watch the finale?

That said, I don't love the finale, but as a whole the experience of watching Lost week to week and year to year was great. I don't think I've experienced anything like that before or since. My main issue with the finale is that the reveal of the final season's flash-forward/side-flash things was lame. Other than that, I don't have a problem with it.

Yeah that purgatory stuff was a little annoying. I know they said the island wasn't purgatory, but to end in a purgatory was a little embittering.
 
It just baffles me that anyone who watched Lost through its entire run would think that finale was the problem.
That part I will definitely blame ABC for, because their promos were all breathlessly promising “YOUR. QUESTIONS. WILL. BE. ANSWERED.” for weeks in that final run of episodes. But you’re right; it was getting obvious by halfway through the last season that they had moved on to something else and that the old questions were being ignored in favor of the new thing. That’s the series’ fault, not the finale’s.
I still need to see The Leftovers tho. Watched the pilot and never got further (I do that a lot with shows and it's never the show's fault).
The first season is pretty obtuse and BLEAK; it’s great, but sort of a different show from the other two seasons. Once it breaks away from the source material, it becomes just about everything Lost should have been.
 
Barry is the best show of the year so far IMO. People aren't talking about it enough. Like, that one episode with
the cheating wife's new karate guy and his insane animal kid
is like one of the best episodes I've seen on TV since Breaking Bad.

That episode was pretty brilliant. I actually had to watch it 2x. The first time, I was so taken out of my comfort zone and kept saying, "What the eff is happening?" The 2nd time I was able to settle myself and appreciate the humor in it.
 
Just finished The Leftovers last night (I'm late to the party, I know :p ). Wow. What a series. That show has some of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. Each season is VERY different, and I definitely appreciated them all in different ways. I'm really excited to rewatch it knowing what I know now, as like I said, each season is SO different that it really took me some time to adjust each go-around. I have some not-insignificant issues with
Nora's
arc in the last season, but otherwise, all the characters were impressively well-written and three-dimensional. I even found myself having love for characters that I initially never expected to like at all. After seeing how much other people love the show, I don't think I love it QUITE as much as a lot of people on the internet, but it's definitely one of the better shows I've ever seen. And I knew that it'd be great the second I heard James Blake's Retrograde in the pilot ;)
 
Ummm... I just discovered Schitt's Creek on Netflix. It's 5 seasons deep. HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS.

I love shows where every character is extremely unlikeable - makes it funnier somehow...
And yet by the time you catch up you'll love all of them.

Schitts Creek is one of my favorite comedies right now and I'll be sad to see it go after its final season next year
 
Started Dead To Me wondering how this could be a show past one season, finished Dead To Me hoping it gets a second season. Of course I should have seen the ending coming. And I already have a feeling how season two is going to go down.

Meanwhile, I’m finally catching up on Barry. Just watched episode 5 (you know the one, with the feral kid). Holy shit it was crazy. One of the most interesting, surprising episodes of TV I’ve seen this year
 
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