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Dead C said:
She entered this conversation when she commented on the ig post. I linked to see if it was really his wife or just a joke and, when I clicked on her profile image -- since I'm still a dummy and forget it wom't enlarge, but generate a story -- saw the contempt that her household has for the collective customer base, which she views as unappreciative and cruel. When she mentions scrappiness, she seems to paint the customers and the "damage" they cause as the only real obstacle, rather than the choices of VMP, which she writes off as understandable goofs. But, most importantly, she personally stated that she wanted to deliver that message to every individual "negative" commenter being critical of their company. By posting that here, it's been delivered.

It's just a comment in a thread in a section of a forum. It's not a reddit post or any call to action against her, so I don't think it's wrong for us to see it and, apparently, she doesn't either. According to her, she wanted us to.

Like I said before, I would've personally contact her, but I don't think commenting on her statements about us is out of line.
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Fair enough. Agree to disagree on this one. Like I said, I don’t think anybody did anything objectively wrong here, just my opinion about it. In the end, she didn’t respond to every commenter who complained, and her message was broadcast only to her 700 followers; it was an inadvisable message, but anybody who expected her not to stand by her man would have been disappointed. Since she’s not commenting as a representative of VMP, and isn’t responsible for VMP’s decisions, it’s only noteworthy because the people who are never weigh in.
 
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spilledleche said:
I think the real disgusting flex of privilege is where she complains that their holiday was ruined because Matt had to work to fix this.

What about the holidays of the paying customers, many of whom were relying on their missing merchandise as gifts? What about the warehouse workers and support staff that presumably had to "work around the clock" to cover for the ineptness of the c-suite?
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Yeah if she’s talking thanksgiving, I mean go have dinner. A few hours wouldn’t have fixed it. If she’s referring to Christmas , then she’s trippin’ as there was ample time to get a solid game plan in place.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Fair enough. Agree to disagree on this one. Like I said, I don’t think anybody did anything objectively wrong here, just my opinion about it. In the end, she didn’t respond to every commenter who complained, and her message was broadcast only to her 700 followers; it was an inadvisable message, but anybody who expected her not to stand by her man would have been disappointed. Since she’s not commenting as a representative of VMP, and isn’t responsible for VMP’s decisions, it’s only noteworthy because the people who do, and are, never weigh in.
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I mean... we're discussing it either way. If that's the issue and the mere discussion of it is the problem, we're still doing that.

My outlook is simple. Someone made a statement about us and I let people know about it. I felt compelled to comment here rather than on her page to separate the 2. It kind of ends there for me. If that's terrible or over the line, I guess that's where our perspectives will have to differ.


I do want to point out that it's also incredibly subjective, because her message is about how these comments and responses toward VMP are affecting her family and uncalled for. That could be interpreted as a positive message for people on here to hear and acknowledge to achieve that aim of providing a different perspective. The only reason it's being viewed negatively at all on here is because it's landing different for so many of us and we don't really buy it. If it rang true, we could use it. It doesn't, so its existence reads like we're mocking her, but that eye roll is in our own respective minds, not in simply posting her public statement.

Either it isn't a negative message at all, so she isn't really "on blast," or it is kind of a shitty sentiment, and we're simply aware that it's been made.

Again, my comments aren't about her and I'd expect that support from a spouse. I just can't feel bad for Matt and his need for more time.

I'd still argue that her comments are a reflection of the outlook of the CEO toward the customers, because she's being shown these tickets and dms through his lens and narrative. That's the insight that I took from it, because it reinforces what I'm seeing reflected elsewhere in their actions. But while I believe she has the wrong take, I still have nothing negative to say about her as an individual and wouldn't want to bring anything to her doorstep. I care about moms.

I don't need to discuss it anymore. I'm mostly just responding to clarify how I'm viweing it and my own intentions at this point, anyway. It's not even really about her at all.
 
Dead C said:
I mean... we're discussing it either way. If that's the issue and the mere discussion of it is the problem, we're still doing that.

My outlook is simple. Someone made a statement about us and I let people know about it. I felt compelled to comment here rather than on her page to separate the 2. It kind of ends there for me. If that's terrible or over the line, I guess that's where our perspectives will have to differ.


I do want to point out that it's also incredibly subjective, because her message is about how these comments and responses toward VMP are affecting her family and uncalled for. That could be interpreted as a positive message for people on here to hear and acknowledge to achieve that aim of providing a different perspective. The only reason it's being viewed negatively at all on here is because it's landing different for so many of us and we don't really buy it. If it rang true, we could use it. It doesn't, so its existence reads like we're mocking her, but that eye roll is in our own respective minds, not in simply posting her public statement.

Either it isn't a negative message at all, so she isn't really "on blast," or it is kind of a shitty sentiment, and we're simply aware that it's been made.

Again, my comments aren't about her and I'd expect that support from a spouse. I just can't feel bad for Matt and his need for more time.

I'd still argue that her comments are a reflection of the outlook of the CEO toward the customers, because she's being shown these tickets and dms through his lens and narrative. That's the insight that I took from it, because it reinforces what I'm seeing reflected elsewhere in their actions. But while I believe she has the wrong take, I still have nothing negative to say about her as an individual and wouldn't want to bring anything to her doorstep. I care about moms.

I don't need to discuss it anymore. I'm mostly just responding to clarify how I'm viweing it and my own intentions at this point, anyway. It's not even really about her at all.
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I have spent too much of my morning worrying about whomever it was that tried to call me out about ignoring Ricaud.

I am two minutes to midnight on this whole thing. I would actually save money if I quit VMP and all its associated BS.
 
Bloodlemons said:
I have spent too much of my morning worrying about whomever it was that tried to call me out about ignoring Ricaud.
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You really have. Remember, that whole topic of ignoring people originated with someone telling me they were reporting me to the mods, because the choice words they really had for me might get them banned. I haven't allowed that to bother me. The ignore button is here for a reason. We won't all always get along.
 
Dead C said:
She entered this conversation when she commented on the ig post. I linked to see if it was really his wife or just a joke and, when I clicked on her profile image -- since I'm still a dummy and forget it won't enlarge, but generate a story -- saw the contempt that her household has for the collective customer base, which she views as unappreciative and cruel. When she mentions scrappiness, she seems to paint the customers and the "damage" they cause as the only real obstacle, rather than the choices of VMP, which she writes off as understandable goofs. But, most importantly, she personally stated that she wanted to deliver that message to every individual "negative" commenter being critical of their company. By posting that here, it's been delivered.

It's just a comment in a thread in a section of a forum. It's not a reddit post or any call to action against her, so I don't think it's wrong for us to see it and, apparently, she doesn't either. According to her, she wanted us to.

Like I said before, I wouldn't personally contact her, but I don't think commenting on her statements about us is out of line.
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Indymisanthrope said:
Fair enough. Agree to disagree on this one. Like I said, I don’t think anybody did anything objectively wrong here, just my opinion about it. In the end, she didn’t respond to every commenter who complained, and her message was broadcast only to her 700 followers; it was an inadvisable message, but anybody who expected her not to stand by her man would have been disappointed. Since she’s not commenting as a representative of VMP, and isn’t responsible for VMP’s decisions, it’s only noteworthy because the people who are never weigh in.
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i'll chime in here to say n&g staff are pretty much having the same discussion about this as you two and others who have commented similarly are. bringing in comments made elsewhere by individuals connected to vmp by proxy - especially family - that are not directly responsible for the company's issues, and that result in those individuals being contacted by people specifically being made aware of it here, is something that is a bit of a moral quandary for us to wade through. like indy said, nothing done so far has been objectively wrong, and if anyone making public comments on the internet expects those comments to remain within their sphere, then that's on them. our primary concern is that our community treats those individuals with respect (both on here and elsewhere) and with an understanding that they are not the ones who should be contacted to help fix things in any capacity, and that they do not become the focus of conversations or a target of harrassment surrounding the ongoing issues facing vmp.
 
AndySlash said:
i'll chime in here to say n&g staff are pretty much having the same discussion about this as you two and others who have commented similarly are. bringing in comments made elsewhere by individuals connected to vmp by proxy - especially family - that are not directly responsible for the company's issues, and that result in those individuals being contacted by people specifically being made aware of it here, is something that is a bit of a moral quandary for us to wade through. like indy said, nothing done so far has been objectively wrong, and if anyone making public comments on the internet expects those comments to remain within their sphere, then that's on them. our primary concern is that our community treats those individuals with respect (both on here and elsewhere) and with an understanding that they are not the ones who should be contacted to help fix things in any capacity, and that they do not become the focus of conversations or a target of harrassment surrounding the ongoing issues facing vmp.
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I have not read her stuff beyond what was posted here but didn't someone clearly state that she does in fact work with/for VMP? So your assessment is a little disingenuous.
 
Clint Howard said:
I have not read her stuff beyond what was posted here but didn't someone clearly state that she does in fact work with/for VMP? So your assessment is a little disingenuous.
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As much as I want to get this, Clint Howard, I think we need to confirm that Whateverhernameis actually gets a paycheck from VMP before anyone goes wherever that would go...

EDIT: I also tend to think that we should leave her out of it. Unless she has some sort of control over VMP, bashing her influencer naivete is punching down.
 
Bloodlemons said:
As much as I want to get this, Clint Howard, I think we need to confirm that Whateverhernameis actually gets a paycheck from VMP before anyone goes wherever that would go...

EDIT: I also tend to think that we should leave her out of it. Unless she has some sort of control over VMP, bashing her influencer naivete is punching down.
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I don't think it's punching down at all to call out someone for their negative behaviour while they're trying to gaslight people into a bullshit situation. She is clearly blaming customers for her husband's terrible job and doing it on a very public forum. Yes, we all have the right to free speech (gonna nip that one in the bud) but with that comes repercussions for what we state on social media. This isn't 2009, people can't pretend social media is separate from their professional lives. She weighed in on something she either knows nothing about or is viewing through a very distorted lense and should be corrected.

I don't give a shit if a flat earther is a mom or not, I will correct them on social media every time.
 
Clint Howard said:
I don't think it's punching down at all to call out someone for their negative behaviour while they're trying to gaslight people into a bullshit situation. She is clearly blaming customers for her husband's terrible job and doing it on a very public forum. Yes, we all have the right to free speech (gonna nip that one in the bud) but with that comes repercussions for what we state on social media. This isn't 2009, people can't pretend social media is separate from their professional lives. She weighed in on something she either knows nothing about or is viewing through a very distorted lense and should be corrected.

I don't give a shit if a flat earther is a mom or not, I will correct them on social media every time.
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You just explained why I loathe social media and stay away from all of those platforms. It makes it easy to be awful to strangers.

EDIT: if this forum is considered social media, it's the only one I participate in. I guess I must like you all 😉
 
Clint Howard said:
I don't think it's punching down at all to call out someone for their negative behaviour while they're trying to gaslight people into a bullshit situation. She is clearly blaming customers for her husband's terrible job and doing it on a very public forum. Yes, we all have the right to free speech (gonna nip that one in the bud) but with that comes repercussions for what we state on social media. This isn't 2009, people can't pretend social media is separate from their professional lives. She weighed in on something she either knows nothing about or is viewing through a very distorted lense and should be corrected.

I don't give a shit if a flat earther is a mom or not, I will correct them on social media every time.
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I mean.. yeah.

I feel like lashing out at family members (however available for the lashing) only serves to dilute our message.

That being said... yeah. She seems like a bunch of words I'm not going to post on the internet.
 
forkandspoon said:
You just explained why I loathe social media and stay away from all of those platforms. It makes it easy to be awful to strangers.
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I mean I don't disagree with you but it's weird that you got that, if anything, from my statement. I was talking about calling people out on their terrible behaviour and you seem to read that as being awful to strangers. To each their own I guess?
 
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