Wasn’t there something about burning witches in the mix there?
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Wasn’t there something about burning witches in the mix there?
Whiteout75
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I'm having a bit of a hard time with this. A friend of mine gave me this on CD about twenty years ago and said it was a masterpiece, and I really wanted to "get" it and love it but I just gave up after a few listens. I understand that it's important and tells an interesting story historically, and and get that I should really like it intellectually. But I just can't connect with it. I simply don't hear the greatness others seem to get. I mean, it's not bad, but I just feel indifferent to it. Will give it another listen later this afternoon though.
panino
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I'm not sure if it's a compliment or an insult to you @Whiteout75 , but this is the second time I find myself in agreement with your album review.
I own this record and have played in on and off for the last 15-20 years.
I always wanted to like this record, I wanted to appreciate its value as an historical milestone for the end of an era, I wanted to enjoy the intricacies of the music and lyrics.
I failed.
I find this boring and unremarkable.
I'm hoping for one day to have a lightbulb moment and finally understand it.
I'm still waiting.....
(should I move these views to the hot take thread?)
Hemotep
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2/9/23
Love - Forever Changes
Allmusic Review:
Forever Changes - Love | Album | AllMusic
Forever Changes by Love released in 1967. Find album reviews, track lists, credits, awards and more at AllMusic.www.allmusic.com
I don't think I can eclipse @Lee Newman's review of this, which I completely agree with. It captures the historical moment incredibly well, by combining some of the best musical elements of those years found across so many other records I love while creating something that is entirely it's own. This is another one that I listen to pretty regularly.
5/5
TrainFan73
Frothy
This is me and A Love Supreme.
TrainFan73
Frothy
I don’t think anyone should feel one way or another about not liking or getting something, especially when it is something as esoteric as a transcendent musical experience. I actually deep dove this while reading the 33 1/3 about it. I listened to it multiple times a day for about a month. It helped that I actually thought it was beautiful to listen to on first listen. I then lived in it while gaining a sense of context for it. It was actually all quite magical and not really something that anyone could replicate. Like if you tried that yourself, there would be all this expectation thrust on it. I just knew people had said it was great - I didn’t understand it’s “importance.”
I think A Love Supreme is a very well played jazz album… it is not the spiritual experience I expected it to be from folks waxing poetic.
Expectation can definitely hinder something.
Then there is Trout Mask Replica which I’m starting to think is just music snob snipe hunting…
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jt4527
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Love - Forever Changes
TrainFan73
Frothy
Probably didn’t hurt that I was pretty much an alcoholic at the time and would drink myself to oblivion with quality whiskey while listening to it.
Thanks! I got it now. i might just start doing this one vs my own. My own has been throwing me clunkers
TrainFan73
Frothy
@jt4527 thinks they are all clunkers. Lol. (Jk)
TrainFan73
Frothy
I want to be very clear that is meant to be lighthearted and I wait with baited breath to see what gets a four much less what causes a five.
TrainFan73
Frothy
I mean there is always the possibility my copy is just defective.
Hemotep
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I think it's completely fair for those who think this album is batshit terrible. I somehow completely agree with that take as well as those who love it.
TrainFan73
Frothy
It’s a project record like my Art Ensemble record. I’m hoping it’ll be my favorite Common album.
TenderLovingKiller®
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I’ve been trying to enjoy this album for 20 plus years. Every few years a give it another chance, It just feels like it’s something I should love. Surely, my ears have evolved enough to finally make sense of the cacophony of sounds coming out of my speakers? and yet it still makes no sense at all. One of these days though I will enjoy this Crazy Captain and this Trout Mask of his. It will happen. It must happen.
TrainFan73
Frothy
This is me, except more like once a year. Also the third man pressing is the best soundstage I have, IT’S SO DEEP!
wmeugene
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So I'm a little behind, hoping to catch up over the next few days...
#13 - Fiona Apple - Tidal
If I'm being honest, my first exposure to this album was the Criminal music video when I was a teenager. I didn't hear the full album until I was an adult and I definitely think it would have been lost on me in my younger years. This is a fantastic album and the performances are very strong. Criminal does seem a little out of place compared to the rest of the album, and it's particularly noticeable coming after Shadowboxer, which might be my favorite Fiona track. An album I'm really glad I've gotten into as it is definitely one that rewards repeat listens and is a classic.
Rating - 5.0/5
#13 - Fiona Apple - Tidal
If I'm being honest, my first exposure to this album was the Criminal music video when I was a teenager. I didn't hear the full album until I was an adult and I definitely think it would have been lost on me in my younger years. This is a fantastic album and the performances are very strong. Criminal does seem a little out of place compared to the rest of the album, and it's particularly noticeable coming after Shadowboxer, which might be my favorite Fiona track. An album I'm really glad I've gotten into as it is definitely one that rewards repeat listens and is a classic.
Rating - 5.0/5
Whiteout75
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So, I tried to put Forever Changes in i bit of context by playing the first two albums back to back at work today before I relistened to it, and something kinda clicked. I think I've always tried to imagine Forever Changes as a somewhat angry album, which has screwed with my expectations of it. Hearing it in context, it's more of a melancholic rumination of the state of the world, which maybe also explains why it feels a bit detatched. The difference in tone compared to the fuzzy energy of Da Capo is palpable and reveals its intentions. Still don't hear a masterpiece, but there's definitely more to it than I've thought before. "A House is not a Motel" and "Maybe the people..." are two standout tracks that ignited something within me this time. Score 3/5 ( and I might even give it more spins in the future)
