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So how we feeling about that new ROC album now we had a few days to sit with it?

I feel it's extremely good and everything about it is top-notch and will definitely sit near the top of my 2022 list at the end of the year.

And this is my fav track :


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I love it, and the past 2 or 3 days I've woken up with this track on my mind. That beat is wild. There's something catchy and addicting about the whole sound of this album and I don't understand how Alchemist does it lol. Even the artwork somehow matches the sound to me and I don't really know how to explain it. The way Roc is able to put words together and paint pictures is crazy to me.
 
TMZ is reporting on Gibbs billboards about his album drop?

The website for the album looks like something for a casino in Reno and not Vegas. The number on the site rings once and goes to a fast busy. Will be interesting to see how he's going to flesh that all out. There's a pair of Rabbit ears on the webpage banner image so I presume it is for his album.
 
So how we feeling about that new ROC album now we had a few days to sit with it?

I feel it's extremely good and everything about it is top-notch and will definitely sit near the top of my 2022 list at the end of the year.

And this is my fav track :


are you the always positive music reviewer who's also a french professor? he also really loves that track

 


Well then... I mean I guess this isn't super surprising.


Mixed feelings. I've personally gone head to head with Talib over goofy shit on his IG, because he legitimately bugs the fuck out and instigates shit out of nowhere. The other half the time, he's correct, but it gets so murky, because he has a hair trigger and is reckless. He started shit with Freestyle Fellowship, who won't fuck with him anymore, and the old crew that Hi Tek came out of wants answers about how there could possibly be a Black Star record when he wasn't even involved, so he's burned bridges there, as well. And honestly, HOW is it a Black Star record without Hi Tek?

On the other hand, Egon does nothing but showboat, posting about drinking expensive wines and traveling. The way he's being described here does feel like there's a level of truth to it. It's not completely unwarranted.

Unfortunately, that whole scene is kind of questionable these days. I went to see Madlib perform in the bay area a handful of years ago and Mos Def came out. Sounds exciting, except MOS was a drunken wreck dressed like some fashionista clown. Decked out in all black with a mesh shirt and the droopy crotch pants like some personal stylist put it together. Madlib was just Deejaying, never saying much or acknowledging the crowd, and it wasn't too exciting of a "performance" all around, but MOS actually ruined the fucking night and this is coming from someone that's always been a huge fan. He proceeded to tell us all how lucky we were and how special it was for us that he showed up. When he tried to freestyle, it was a mess and the whole thing just kept falling apart, yet he remained smug and proud of himself. I'd flown down from Seattle and was there with friends, but we all looked at each other and just walked the fuck out. Later, I would see that Chappelle showed up and crowd-surfed or something. The writeups were that it was some amazing show, but that's because journalists are generally cowards. It was a huge mess of unfortunate trash. These guys have become so self-important they can't see shit straight anymore.

Talib is constantly posting images of him and Chappelle at private parties/events with other celebrities and praising his genius. They're all lost in the fucking sauce, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Mixed feelings. I've personally gone head to head with Talib over goofy shit on his IG, because he legitimately bugs the fuck out and instigates shit out of nowhere. The other half the time, he's correct, but it gets so murky, because he has a hair trigger and is reckless. He started shit with Freestyle Fellowship, who won't fuck with him anymore, and the old crew that Hi Tek came out of wants answers about how there could possibly be a Black Star record when he wasn't even involved, so he's burned bridges there, as well. And honestly, HOW is it a Black Star record without Hi Tek?

On the other hand, Egon does nothing but showboat, posting about drinking expensive wines and traveling. The way he's being described here does feel like there's a level of truth to it. It's not completely unwarranted.

Unfortunately, that whole scene is kind of questionable these days. I went to see Madlib perform in the bay area a handful of years ago and Mos Def came out. Sounds exciting, except MOS was a drunken wreck dressed like some fashionista clown. Decked out in all black with a mesh shirt and the droopy crotch pants like some personal stylist put it together. Madlib was just Deejaying, never saying much or acknowledging the crowd, and it wasn't too exciting of a "performance" all around, but MOS actually ruined the fucking night and this is coming from someone that's always been a huge fan. He proceeded to tell us all how lucky we were and how special it was for us that he showed up. When he tried to freestyle, it was a mess and the whole thing just kept falling apart, yet he remained smug and proud of himself. I'd flown down from Seattle and was there with friends, but we all looked at each other and just walked the fuck out. Later, I would see that Chappelle showed up and crowd-surfed or something. The writeups were that it was some amazing show, but that's because journalists are generally cowards. It was a huge mess of unfortunate trash. These guys have become so self-important they can't see shit straight anymore.

Talib is constantly posting images of him and Chappelle at private parties/events with other celebrities and praising his genius. They're all lost in the fucking sauce, as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, seems like Talib has gone full petty asshole as of sometime at least a few years ago. I don't really know shit about Egon, so not meant as a defense of him in any way.
 
Yeah, seems like Talib has gone full petty asshole as of sometime at least a few years ago. I don't really know shit about Egon, so not meant as a defense of him in any way.

Neither do I, but he is known for scooping up catalogs and jet-setting. As far as him exploiting artists financially, I haven't heard anything about that. I do know there were delays with Blackstar and it had to do with conflicts regarding Madlib not releasing the album, which was recorded years ago. I think the VMP forum was even active at the time when it was initially finished. The details behind all that is a mystery, but I sincerely doubt we've heard the end of this.
 
Mixed feelings. I've personally gone head to head with Talib over goofy shit on his IG, because he legitimately bugs the fuck out and instigates shit out of nowhere. The other half the time, he's correct, but it gets so murky, because he has a hair trigger and is reckless. He started shit with Freestyle Fellowship, who won't fuck with him anymore, and the old crew that Hi Tek came out of wants answers about how there could possibly be a Black Star record when he wasn't even involved, so he's burned bridges there, as well. And honestly, HOW is it a Black Star record without Hi Tek?

On the other hand, Egon does nothing but showboat, posting about drinking expensive wines and traveling. The way he's being described here does feel like there's a level of truth to it. It's not completely unwarranted.

Unfortunately, that whole scene is kind of questionable these days. I went to see Madlib perform in the bay area a handful of years ago and Mos Def came out. Sounds exciting, except MOS was a drunken wreck dressed like some fashionista clown. Decked out in all black with a mesh shirt and the droopy crotch pants like some personal stylist put it together. Madlib was just Deejaying, never saying much or acknowledging the crowd, and it wasn't too exciting of a "performance" all around, but MOS actually ruined the fucking night and this is coming from someone that's always been a huge fan. He proceeded to tell us all how lucky we were and how special it was for us that he showed up. When he tried to freestyle, it was a mess and the whole thing just kept falling apart, yet he remained smug and proud of himself. I'd flown down from Seattle and was there with friends, but we all looked at each other and just walked the fuck out. Later, I would see that Chappelle showed up and crowd-surfed or something. The writeups were that it was some amazing show, but that's because journalists are generally cowards. It was a huge mess of unfortunate trash. These guys have become so self-important they can't see shit straight anymore.

Talib is constantly posting images of him and Chappelle at private parties/events with other celebrities and praising his genius. They're all lost in the fucking sauce, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't have details into most of what's here, but my Mos Def performance experiences have been nothing but positive. He has dressed like you said, which is irrelevant, but he's always put on an amazing show with great energy and has always been nothing but appreciative and thankful of the crowd and them being there. I've seen him as Blackstar 3 times now in the last several years. First show was the night they announced the new album, and most recently just a few weeks back when Blackstar had a one off show with Pharoah Monch's new rock band 13 and Dead Prez. Not discounting your experience at all, but I definitely have not had a similar experience.
 
I don't have details into most of what's here, but my Mos Def performance experiences have been nothing but positive. He has dressed like you said, which is irrelevant, but he's always put on an amazing show with great energy and has always been nothing but appreciative and thankful of the crowd and them being there. I've seen him as Blackstar 3 times now in the last several years. First show was the night they announced the new album, and most recently just a few weeks back when Blackstar had a one off show with Pharoah Monch's new rock band 13 and Dead Prez. Not discounting your experience at all, but I definitely have not had a similar experience.

I saw MOS with Maseo of De La Soul as his DJ in January of 2000 at University Of Washington right after Black On Both Sides came out. I've met Saul Williams after events where he spoke about Mos getting him into spoken word. I've even done ticket giveaways for his shows. I've been a fan for a long time. I've had positive experiences with his work, but that's irrelevant. In fact, the ticket giveaway that I hosted was for a show after the incident that I mentioned with Madlib. I still had high hopes wanted to go see him do his own thing again, in his own environment. Unfortunately, he ghosted the venue right before the show was supposed to go on.

I'm glad that you've had pleasant experiences with him, but you basically are discounting mine with your comment, to an extent. If someone told me that someone did something fucked up to them, I wouldn't tell them how that person never did that fucked up thing to me, because they are sharing a personal experience, and me offering a conflicting one doesn't add anything, it only aims to take something away. It's essentially a defense of what I experienced, which was terrible. I never said he was terrible live across the board. I've seen great shows by him, myself. That still doesn't change the reality that he has this aspect to him or this potential for foolery.

I've been a long-time fan of his and he came out acting like a condescending, pretentious drunk asshole dressed like it was fashion week. Much like with Talib, when you're selling one image of yourself and you come throwing around something in conflict with that, it's pretty telling. You can watch Kweli's comment section to see who he does and does not flex on. He does nothing but ardently defend Chappelle or anyone else that he sees as larger or more powerful than him, while attacking anyone that he believes is less successful and fair game -- primarily, underground artists that he's drawn inspiration from like Freestyle Fellowship. Blackstar was all about consciousness and preaching the higher self, but Kweli is always posting some starfucker nonsense and for all his speeches and anti-materialism, Yasiin stepped out looking like a goof flashing his designer clothes (very relevant to my experience), while LITERALLY telling us what a great honor it was for us that he was gracing us with his presence. It was a room full of white kids in Oakland. He didn't give a fuck and it was a bad moment for the guy. I don't care who you are, if you don't deliver; I'm there for a show, not an "appearance." Unfortunately, a large portion of that crowd was probably more than happy to tell people he and Chappelle showed up, regardless of how terrible it was. I was excited to see him and then I was just disappointed. If I wasn't a fan who had both expected and experienced better, then it wouldn't have been so disheartening. This was some Hollywood shit, but he also started out as a child actor and the dude was on The Cosby Mysteries. He's not going to pull that shit on a stage with Monch. At a Blackstar show, he's already being celebrated.

MOS had a bad moment, but it happened and I mention it as an example of how these artists whose work we admire and whose actions might seem out of the ordinary in a scenario like this are not infallible. I absolutely love Kweli's People's Party podcast and how much reverence he shows to the guests, which is crazy because that shit can be so Jekyll and Hyde with his IG page, sometimes. Last time he responded to me in his comments, all he said was "bars," so I'm not anti-Talib either, I'm just aware that there are dimensions to these guys beyond whatever image many of us have previously enjoyed and swallowed whole. There are evolutions and de-evolutions with people. Some of us may still view Madlib as the scrappy cratedigger, but he's become a superproducer, much the same way that Jack White is not the same kid in the indie band from Detroit, but a co-founder of Tidal -- Jack does great things with his position, these days, too, but he's a different guy in a different world. Mos and Kweli have embraced these personas and the sheer fact that, after decades, these guys only now reunite and aim their sights at a big name producer, while essentially leaving Hi Tek behind, says something to me. So does the fact that they only released the album through their bullshit app. I'd imagine it's a tricky position to want to be celebrated for the work you've put in and acknowledge your own achievements, but they definitely are susceptible to wielding a particular swag of importance and buying into their own shit, at times. If Talib Kweli is attacking Egon, then something is wrong here that none of us really want to have to accept. I love Now Again and Stones Throw and celebrate the success of all involved here, but I question how down-to-earth any of the parties involved are, anymore, just based on how hard they all stunt on social media and in personal experiences that I've seen. This can't end well for anyone and I'm a fan of everyone involved. Someone, if not all of them, are lost in the sauce.
 
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I accept in a world of entertainment and personas, that the person and the artist aren't always going to synch up, especially over decades as people grow, but still perform a piece of art that is from a specific moment in time to make fans happy. As long as they are still good people more or less it's entertainment and business. I won't ever let an experience within a hobby I enjoy cause that kind of lasting feeling because of an off night for a person or how someone dressed. It's not that serious. Also sharing about a series of different personal experiences concerning concerts is not like defending a person who did something fucked up to another individual.
 
I looked at Talib's IG post and he's all in the comments calling numerous commenters "colonizers" and saying "I'm not your slave" in multiple comment threads without any real context lmaooo dude is off his rocker. And anyone who expressed interest about Egon's side of things gets a "Devil's get no sympathy" or "we don't need hear the Devil's side."

Only Royce 5-9's IG has made me cringe harder
 
Chopstars just dropped the purple box

Here are the choices (screw)

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PRPL22 < discount code
 
Chopstars just dropped the purple box

Here are the choices (screw)

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PRPL22 < discount code

2 things....1: WHY IS RAMONA PARK BROKE MY HEART NOT AN OPTION :(

2: I can't find Call Me If You Get Lost Anywhere to test it out
 


While I initially felt the album kind of waned on the back end, after spending more time with it I retract that statement entirely and definitely think JID may have dropped the AOTY like @NateOEB said a few days back. Hope it comes to vinyl sooner than later.
 
35% off at Busta’s store. Equates to almost free shipping on his most recent joint from last year

 
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