Hot Take/ Musical Confession Thread!

Yeah it was the curation employee - fairly sure Avatar name was Greenbean. - Not important anyhow.
Was some funny goings on back when I really liked VMP.
Around VMP forum beginnings - I was late to party by about 12-18 months, and I felt like a newbie on that forum for a while, it wasn't what id call unwelcoming but definitely had a lot of cliques. VMP was a cuddlier company back then tho - One that surely made no money.

I recall a guy coming on and completely trashing The Books release and anything VMP / Forum related, was quite funny. Full on troll mode and got a huge backlash. Still the forums lost a few contributors I enjoyed reading posts from ......Ive certainly been trending towards the "slowly drifting away" pattern also. Trying to limit screen time and make time for other hobbies and reading.

It was quite fun guessing the releases (when I cared) first with Sev (who appeared to be a cool surfer dude with positive vibes) and then with Storf who wasn't always irritating. Are those were the days...... :)
 
Re: Manson and the old VMP

From what I recall the dudes name was Idioteque (or something like it) and had his avatar as Brad Pit with a bloody nose from Burn After Reading.

He basically said AB should be doxed, fired, and publicly flogged for selecting Manson. He then made some attempt at comparing this to Barnes and Noble carrying Mein Kampf before disappearing into the ether.

I think I saw him on discogs recently but he goes by a different name. Same avatar though.
 
folsom_lives said:
Re: Manson and the old VMP

From what I recall the dudes name was Idioteque (or something like it) and had his avatar as Brad Pit with a bloody nose from Burn After Reading.

He basically said AB should be doxed, fired, and publicly flogged for selecting Manson. He then made some attempt at comparing this to Barnes and Noble carrying Mein Kampf before disappearing into the ether.

I think I saw him on discogs recently but he goes by a different name. Same avatar though.
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Oh man, that brings back memories now, I think I remember that exchange. Wild.

I was looking at my records the other day and specifically digging out the VMP ones that don't get played much nowadays. It got me thinking about the guy (I think it might have been Enoch?) who had bought every single release that VMP put out. I was wondering what that would look like now had he continued down that route. There must be well over a thousand releases now, right?
 
Selaws said:
Oh man, that brings back memories now, I think I remember that exchange. Wild.

I was looking at my records the other day and specifically digging out the VMP ones that don't get played much nowadays. It got me thinking about the guy (I think it might have been Enoch?) who had bought every single release that VMP put out. I was wondering what that would look like now had he continued down that route. There must be well over a thousand releases now, right?
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Yup. That was him. I also can't recall why he stopped collecting? Mental health reasons? It was the craziest thing. He just stopped. No new instagram posts, nothing on discogs, nothing.

People rag on him for the whole "$65k for my collection all or nothing" bit, but I can understand if was feeling desperate that it would seem rational. I do hope he's OK.
 
folsom_lives said:
Yup. That was him. I also can't recall why he stopped collecting? Mental health reasons? It was the craziest thing. He just stopped. No new instagram posts, nothing on discogs, nothing.

People rag on him for the whole "$65k for my collection all or nothing" bit, but I can understand if was feeling desperate that it would seem rational. I do hope he's OK.
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Yeah, I hope he's ok too.

It's easy to think that he might have just realised it got to the point where he had been sucked into a cycle of buying every release with no regard to the actual music itself. I like to think I have diverse musical tastes but I just wouldn't be able to keep up with that volume of different genres, musicians, etc
 
folsom_lives said:
Re: Manson and the old VMP

From what I recall the dudes name was Idioteque (or something like it) and had his avatar as Brad Pit with a bloody nose from Burn After Reading.

He basically said AB should be doxed, fired, and publicly flogged for selecting Manson. He then made some attempt at comparing this to Barnes and Noble carrying Mein Kampf before disappearing into the ether.

I think I saw him on discogs recently but he goes by a different name. Same avatar though.
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Actually he said B&N didn’t carry Mein Kampf which resulted in folks linking him to Main Kampf being sold by b&n.

I think he stuck around just wasn’t as prolific after that.
 
Selaws said:
Yeah, I hope he's ok too.

It's easy to think that he might have just realised it got to the point where he had been sucked into a cycle of buying every release with no regard to the actual music itself. I like to think I have diverse musical tastes but I just wouldn't be able to keep up with that volume of different genres, musicians, etc
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Yeah - not so hard at one a month plus a few "exclusives" but that would be untenable now unless you had some deep pockets !
Also you can grab most of those anywhere.
I think back in the day the exclusivity angle was a bigger sell.
 
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I am as burned out by the ubiquitous solo indie rock by [Insert Solo Female Artist] here, as I am by COVID.

Other than Fiona Apple's Fetch The Bolt Cutters, Florence and the Machine's Lungs was probably the last time I didn't hear a new fawned over release and ask myself "How is this any different than [Insert Another Solo Female Artist]'s album?
 
Viking Dan said:
I am as burned out by the ubiquitous solo indie rock by [Insert Solo Female Artist] here, as I am by COVID.

Other than Fiona Apple's Fetch The Bolt Cutters, Florence and the Machine's Lungs was probably the last time I didn't hear a new fawned over release and ask myself "How is this any different than [Insert Another Solo Female Artist]'s album?
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You could say the same thing about any ubiquitous solo indie rock by [Insert Solo Artist here]. Why did ya have to make it a gender thing? Not a peep when someone copies Dylan or Bowie for the umpteenth time. Why is it bothersome when it’s a female artist?
 
Eh, it is the hot takes/confession thread, I don't think VD's post is out of line even if I disagree fervently.

My generalized counter hot-take, once the men of indie rock start making music as interesting and well rounded as the women are please feel free to let me know. Especially solo.
 
waruv said:
Eh, it is the hot takes/confession thread, I don't think VD's post is out of line even if I disagree fervently.

My generalized counter hot-take, once the men of indie rock start making music as interesting and well rounded as the women are please feel free to let me know. Especially solo.
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No one said it was out of line. Point being if you are willing to make a hot take you should also being willing to defend your opinion. Trust me, @Viking Dan is a good dude and is an adept debater. I am certain he took no offense to my reply and I look forward to his response.
 
waruv said:
Eh, it is the hot takes/confession thread, I don't think VD's post is out of line even if I disagree fervently.

My generalized counter hot-take, once the men of indie rock start making music as interesting and well rounded as the women are please feel free to let me know. Especially solo.
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Yeah, dudes are booooring.
 
Honestly music genres being very homogenous is nothing new, I think the emergence of streaming to where every new release is at your fingertips the instant its out has just put a spotlight on how so many albums just sound... the same.

I don't necessarily agree with the wording of the hot take VD posted but I think I understand what he's getting at. There's been this shift over the last decade or so for music publications to try to push to give more shine to women in rock, which is great. An unfortunate side effect, at least to me, is that a lot of people feel the need to treat every woman who makes a rock album with kid gloves and put them on this pedestal where they can do no wrong, to an uncomfortable degree. If a woman makes a good rock album, it can't just be a good rock album, it has to be a statement and it's going to be treated like this big revelation. The irony in this praise is of course that it ends up feeling like the artist isn't being praised for the content of her work, but for the mere fact that she is a female in a male-dominated genre. But that kind of acclaim goes against the idea of equality in music. Women are just as capable as men of making mediocre music and you're allowed to recognize that. You shouldn't treat an artist's music differently just because they're a woman, or they're transgender, or they're Black or whatever. If you aren't willing to hold artists who are women and minorities to the same standard that you do straight white men, then you're part of the problem.
 
gaporter said:
Honestly music genres being very homogenous is nothing new, I think the emergence of streaming to where every new release is at your fingertips the instant its out has just put a spotlight on how so many albums just sound... the same.

I don't necessarily agree with the wording of the hot take VD posted but I think I understand what he's getting at. There's been this shift over the last decade or so for music publications to try to push to give more shine to women in rock, which is great. An unfortunate side effect, at least to me, is that a lot of people feel the need to treat every woman who makes a rock album with kid gloves and put them on this pedestal where they can do no wrong, to an uncomfortable degree. If a woman makes a good rock album, it can't just be a good rock album, it has to be a statement and it's going to be treated like this big revelation. The irony in this praise is of course that it ends up feeling like the artist isn't being praised for the content of her work, but for the mere fact that she is a female in a male-dominated genre. But that kind of acclaim goes against the idea of equality in music. Women are just as capable as men of making mediocre music and you're allowed to recognize that. You shouldn't treat an artist's music differently just because they're a woman, or they're transgender, or they're Black or whatever. If you aren't willing to hold artists who are women and minorities to the same standard that you do straight white men, then you're part of the problem.
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You’re kinda bending over backwards here to defend an opinion that there have only been two female solo albums released in the past 10+ years that are interesting and/or innovative but sure art shouldn’t be judged; good or bad, based on the artists identity.
 
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
You’re kinda bending over backwards here to defend an opinion that there have only been two female solo albums released in the past 10+ years that are interesting and/or innovative but sure people shouldn’t be judged good or bad based on their identity.
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To be completely honest, most of my post had no relation to that take, I more or less was just using it as a springboard to discuss a phenomenon I've been seeing as of late. I said I disagreed with that opinion and I do, pretty vehemently actually. I'm not going to defend it and I also am not going to tell you what parts of my post you should focus on, but the thesis behind what I wrote wasn't in agreement with VD's take. I can understand why it reads the way now, but it sucks that what I actually wrote is going to get overlooked because I wrote it in relation to an opinion I disagree with. But that's really my own fault for not being clear I suppose.
 
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