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Even more scary is that Cult of 45. If he said to do something, they would do it.
Hence the "Civil War 2" comments...
All of it. The blind commitment to this lunatic is just baffling. He lies on a daily, heck, an hourly basis. He threatens people. He has zero decorum.

I am ok with people having different views and opinions than me. But this is beyond that. He's an unhinged madman and I still to this day do not understand how his cult is blind to that.

I'm slightly hopeful that some of the Pubs are starting to crack. I hope this is just the beginning of the whole dam breaking.
 
None of the Dems who potentially take office in 2021 better pull a spineless Ford move and issue pardons “for the good of the country.” Half the people who were involved in Watergate are still poisoning our politics today, and this is a much more threatening situation to the integrity of our country. This rot needs to be rooted out once and for all.
 
If I didn't already dislike Mark Zuckerberg over how he has managed personal information at Facebook I would after this:

Not that I'm for or against Warren's stance on all this, but come on, don't we all cast our votes based on how it effects Facebook and Zuckerberg :rolleyes:
 
There is apparently a $50,000 bounty for the name of the whistle blower. The news is reporting that the bounty has been issued by several prominent people they didn't list names.

Also, on the dark web of the alt right there is also apparently a bounty on the life of the whistle blower.

Scary to think about what happens if the whistle blowers name comes out. With Trump hinting at what they used to do to spies and people who commit treason and what not.
This ass hat and current White House infuriates me to no end. And watch and see when he (The Trumpster) gets asked about if he doesn't answer he knows nothing with that "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" pompous smile/expression of his.
 
Not that I'm for or against Warren's stance on all this, but come on, don't we all cast our votes based on how it effects Facebook and Zuckerberg :rolleyes:

But the problem, right, isn’t how Zuckerberg will vote, but that their mutual opposition to each other means he has an incentive to allow the disinformation apparatus that existed on his platform in 2016 to continue to exist instead of working to dismantle it. Zuckerberg’s preferences implicitly become the preferences of other low-information voters that trust what they see on Facebook.

For Warren’s part, this was a good response:
"What would really 'suck' is if we don't fix a corrupt system that lets giant companies like Facebook engage in illegal anticompetitive practices, stomp on consumer privacy rights, and repeatedly fumble their responsibility to protect our democracy.”

I’m more and more convinced that she’s the lady for the job.
 
None of the Dems who potentially take office in 2021 better pull a spineless Ford move and issue pardons “for the good of the country.” Half the people who were involved in Watergate are still poisoning our politics today, and this is a much more threatening situation to the integrity of our country. This rot needs to be rooted out once and for all.

This morning's The Daily was discussing how Nixon may have survived impeachment hearings if he had just refused to go (the Billy Clint model). Those "Watergate People" you refer to specifically believe in that idea. Essentially, the model is deny deny deny, refuse to acknowledge, and you get to maintain power because no one in your party of choice will cross the aisle to cut off their nose... It's pretty much the Trump playbook.

Regardless of the evidence or facts, "alternative facts" are likely to win out. I hope that people can still surprise me, but I think it's extremely unlikely when it comes to those involved in our current two party system.

I wish that I could make that playbook work for me in everyday life. Like if I just keep denying over and over again maybe I can convince myself I'm a handsome go-getter, with endlesss energy and confidence. C'est la vie. I guess I chose a long time ago to not be that kind of butthead.
 

I don't know all of the details of this case and I don't care to get into it in the way many do to create some false narrative / conspiracy argument, but I do think this is an interesting case.

It seems obvious from afar that if this person was anyone other than a police officer this case would be open and shut Murder 3 manslaughter at minimum. Of course it's made more complicated because we allow cops to behave differently than other citizens. Interestingly enough, it seems that being a police officer and not calling for back-up / following protocol was a major part of the prosecution's argument. What I remain curious about is the officer's motivation. It seems ridiculous that she was just confused, but it's not clear what her motivation was from this brief report.

The conviction is significant, but there will be appeals and I'm wondering if that lack of clear motivation will eventually lead to the conviction being overturned.
 
This is the best articulation of the student crisis that I have ever seen:


Also a couple other worthwhile reads:





 
Also, the Trump impeachment stuff is a case study in catch-22isms. Democratic Senate candidates are leading in both Kansas and Arizona... and going for impeachment risks flipping momentum. Same time, Congress cannot continue to turn its eye to Trump's Orwellian corruption.
 
Bernie Sanders has suspended his campaigning until further notice after being hospitalized last night with chest pains. He is undergoing a procedure to treat an artery blockage.
 
This does not help his chances. People are already nervous about his age. Poor dude. This stinks.
This is a best possible outcome for his role in this race, IMO. Mild, recoverable health issues that put him on the sidelines without acrimony, conspiracy theories, or debilitating events. It also centers the questions on not age, but overall health. This isn't a question of ageism, but whether a candidate is healthy enough to perform the duties of the most stressful job in the world for four years. The answer for Bernie today is, not at this time.
 
This is a best possible outcome for his role in this race, IMO. Mild, recoverable health issues that put him on the sidelines without acrimony, conspiracy theories, or debilitating events. It also centers the questions on not age, but overall health. This isn't a question of ageism, but whether a candidate is healthy enough to perform the duties of the most stressful job in the world for four years. The answer for Bernie today is, not at this time.
This is very true. It does somewhat unmuddy the waters. I just feel bad for him.
 
This is very true. It does somewhat unmuddy the waters. I just feel bad for him.

It's only a good thing if you think Warren is more electable. And considering Warren's base is 70% white and makes 100k a year while Bernie's base is only 50% white, makes 50k year and is made up of the working class, union members, youth and independents.... I think that's a highly questionable assertion.

I'd add that my dad had this same procedure 22 years ago, is still alive and was an avid skier and biker into his sixties. That said, optics matter and it's certainly bad optics for people weighing Warren vs. Bernie.

In the end, I'm mostly concerned with taking down Biden (whose mental decay worries me far more than Bernie's hear) and maybe this does help to consolidate support in a way that takes out Biden.
 
It's only a good thing if you think Warren is more electable. And considering Warren's base is 70% white and makes 100k a year while Bernie's base is only 50% white, makes 50k year and is made up of the working class, union members, youth and independents.... I think that's a highly questionable assertion.

Do you have a reference for this information?
Like how many people were a part of the survey that would've generated that data?

I am curious about how those stats was generated, but I'm not sure why it matters what the race, ethnicity, or salary of political supporters (Edit: is), particularly with reference to the discussion about how Bernie's health situation is perceived.

To me, that data doesn't say anything about the potential effectiveness of policies or the difference in policy between candidates. It might say something about whom advertising / political messaging is resonating with.

I'm also not so sure that Warren's base earning more money and being more white is a bad thing, as is implied. At least in the part of the country I live in, it tells me that suburban districts that can flip political gang colors are more likely to vote with the blue people. I think this is what we saw in the mid-terms and if that trend is continuing then it's a positive in my book. Those areas are very white and the potential red districts have high household incomes. The more fiscally diverse areas of the city are voting blue regardless; even with low voter turnout.


The union thing:
I've been a union member for about 10 years. To me (if the earnings statistics are true) that is further evidence about the weakness of unions. Some unions have more political power than others - Yes. Mine is fairly progressive (and fairly weak) while I support its existence it has actually done more to inhibit wage growth and personal security than if I were not in a collective bargaining situation (imo). I wish that wasn't true and would like to see the direction of unions get more in line with modern times, but it seems that most union leadership is caught up in the tactics of the 20th and not the 21st century. It isn't MAGA but similarly there seem to be a fair number of people wanting to make the union great again, but want to do so with a vision of the 1950's in mind.

This is a different discussion, but what I've observed is my union not understanding the value of education and professional positions and focusing negotiations on worker safety instead of wage and benefit security. I also feel that many unions sacrificed future members to protect those that were already there in the 80's and 90's as health care skyrocketed and various bubbles (stock gambling) were generating insecurity in retirement funds. All of this has contributed to lower membership and lower faith in unions. There are of course many other factors like the various political efforts, to destabilize unions as well.

Further, there are some unions, the police union for instance, that are so wholly corrupt that they should be disbanded, but they are such a political dookie-storm that no politician dare touch them (imo). Our local police union president sent out political flyers trying to smear the incoming black mayor last election cycle, which was an illegal use of funds. Just this week, in response to an uptick in gun violence, was quoted in our awful local newspapers as saying "...police protection for those that deserve it." I hope that the officers that are decent citizens find a way to take down their own, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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Only in America would back yard sheds ever be converted to studio apartments that rent for more than $1,000 a month.

The cost of living is getting out of control around cities, where all the jobs are.
 
I'd add that my dad had this same procedure 22 years ago, is still alive and was an avid skier and biker into his sixties. That said, optics matter and it's certainly bad optics for people weighing Warren vs. Bernie.
Sure, it's not a devastating medical event, but I disagree that it's an issue of "optics." Bad optics is Biden prattling about Corn Pop, or Booker saying his favorite snack is vegan cupcakes, or Kamala Harris joking about rappers and weed on the radio. Being hospitalized for an urgent medical procedure that takes you out of commission, even just for a matter of a few days, isn't optics, IMO. If Bernie were elected to the presidency and this same thing happened 3 years from now, it's a potential matter of national security, even IF the prognosis is good. Looking at the candidate's health is not just a referendum on the candidate, but an examination of how we can ensure the continuity of our government in a crisis.
 
I've been a union member for about 10 years. To me (if the earnings statistics are true) that is further evidence about the weakness of unions. Some unions have more political power than others - Yes. Mine is fairly progressive (and fairly weak) while I support its existence it has actually done more to inhibit wage growth and personal security than if I were not in a collective bargaining situation (imo). I wish that wasn't true and would like to see the direction of unions get more in line with modern times, but it seems that most union leadership is caught up in the tactics of the 20th and not the 21st century. It isn't MAGA but similarly there seem to be a fair number of people wanting to make the union great again, but want to do so with a vision of the 1950's in mind.

This is a different discussion, but what I've observed is my union not understanding the value of education and professional positions and focusing negotiations on worker safety instead of wage and benefit security. I also feel that many unions sacrificed future members to protect those that were already there in the 80's and 90's as health care skyrocketed and various bubbles (stock gambling) were generating insecurity in retirement funds. All of this has contributed to lower membership and lower faith in unions. There are of course many other factors like the various political efforts, to destabilize unions as well.


Having gone through a strike last year and getting involved in the union after that (just went to a local meeting last month). The big push right now is affecting education policy. Since the strike they have been putting their weight behind getting people elected that favor investing in public education, holding privatizers accountable, and pushing for changes in local tax structure. The meeting last night mostly centered around who the endorsement for president will go to. It might be easy to guess who they are leaning towards since Bernie is the only person out with a through Ed policy.

Salary was an issue, but much of our strike last year had to do with conditions in the school teacher/student ratio and some additional services that schools get (nursing). I'm part of a small sections that felt hard done by (School Psychologists) since there were only minor concessions. There is a lot of resentment regarding that fact. However, there is some re-openers in the contract for negotiations with Special Ed that may cover our work load.
 

Only in America would back yard sheds ever be converted to studio apartments that rent for more than $1,000 a month.

The cost of living is getting out of control around cities, where all the jobs are.

lol. I responded to a craigslist ad in Portland, OR about 10 years ago where someone posted their shed apt., without running water, for $1K/ mo. It wasn't even in a super nice part of town. Basically, I told the dude this was part of the problem, and making it difficult for the residents of the predominantly African American neighborhood he was in to afford their rents. He predictably responded with some blah blah blah about "markets." I think I got a good burn in tho - wish I could remember the line.

Having gone through a strike last year and getting involved in the union after that (just went to a local meeting last month). The big push right now is affecting education policy. Since the strike they have been putting their weight behind getting people elected that favor investing in public education, holding privatizers accountable, and pushing for changes in local tax structure. The meeting last night mostly centered around who the endorsement for president will go to. It might be easy to guess who they are leaning towards since Bernie is the only person out with a through Ed policy.

Salary was an issue, but much of our strike last year had to do with conditions in the school teacher/student ratio and some additional services that schools get (nursing). I'm part of a small sections that felt hard done by (School Psychologists) since there were only minor concessions. There is a lot of resentment regarding that fact. However, there is some re-openers in the contract for negotiations with Special Ed that may cover our work load.

I think the teacher's unions have their house in order a lot more so than AFSCME.
 
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