David A.
Well-Known Member
My soul is dead because politics. Let's be miserable here.
This isn't the infrastructure week we wanted.Wanna get high speed trains? no! Can we rebuild our roads? no! Can we get affordable heatlhcare? no! Can we get affordable public and higher education? no! Can we limit a woman's right and control their body by telling them what they need to do? Sure, we can do that!
Just create one and see where it flowsWould anybody be interested in a political thread that focused more on discussing philosophy/theory and less so on current events?
Most of its tabloid crap anywayThat would be great to do here. Im emotionally incapable for giving day to day politics or the American presidency any thought
Exact same experience. It puts everything that's going on at a more surreal remove, which simultaneously feels like a nice change of pace and a dangerous loosening on my grasp of what's happening.Honestly one positive side effect of the VMP drama was that I spent more time over the last couple of days giving the forum a viking funeral and less time reading about current events. Not to suggest that I or anyone else should be less engaged overall, but whenever I have a day or two where, for whatever reason, I don't do a lot of political internet reading, it's like a breath of fresh air.
My BA was in International Relations/Poli. Sci, so you know my answer already.Would anybody be interested in a political thread that focused more on discussing philosophy/theory and less so on current events?
I think there is an interesting intersection between the mindset that abortion is a right that shouldn't be up for debate and one where vaccinations ought to be made mandatory.
Is what you saying that the government should be involved in the decision in the vaccinations vs not in abortion?
Because I actually agree with that. The result of the decisions have very different consequences.
I'm saying both arguments boil down to the fundamental question of whether or not people have rights over their own bodies and the vast majority of people I've come across say no out of one side of their mouth and yes out of the other.
Personally, I'm of the opinion you do have a right to your own body and while the personal/societal consequences may look different the role our government gets to have it in should remain unified on the issue or else the consequences are exactly the same in that regard. To wit, that we keep the vaccination issue open is exactly why the abortion issue remains open. Ultimately, to close the issue a congruous decision has to be made for both.
To be clear I am not anti-vax but I do believe people have the right to decide what does and does not go in their own bodies.
The difference is abortion affects only one person (you (singular)) where as vaccinations affect the majority (plural(the people around us)) if we can't distinguish actual harm for mankind and personal religious beliefs then we are having a whole new conversation.
I acknowledged there is a difference and I am not the one bringing religion into it. There is still a fundamental violation of rights to force vaccines into people. I might be willing to blur the line a little more if government and related pharmaceutical companies could actually be trusted to truly have people’s best interests in mind. At any rate, I see it as a huge slippery slope once we say people must be injected with whatever the government decrees.
Besides, my argument is that you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Quit muddying the waters with partisan politics and religion. Decide if people have a right to their own bodies or not. Once that is settled then abortion is a decided issue.
I'm saying both arguments boil down to the fundamental question of whether or not people have rights over their own bodies and the vast majority of people I've come across say no out of one side of their mouth and yes out of the other.
Personally, I'm of the opinion you do have a right to your own body and while the personal/societal consequences may look different the role our government gets to have it in should remain unified on the issue or else the consequences are exactly the same in that regard. To wit, that we keep the vaccination issue open is exactly why the abortion issue remains open. Ultimately, to close the issue a congruous decision has to be made for both.
To be clear I am not anti-vax but I do believe people have the right to decide what does and does not go in their own bodies.